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[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually, me am stupid.

[HighPrincessErinys]

That is an embarrassing entrance but this one is just going to blame the bullshit it's grandpa has decided to put it through. Either way, lol lmao "a pre-game?" aside, this one doesn't put much stock into meta it has not directly played with. Could you perhaps tell me any non-meta reasons for a Bristep sus?

[OopsieDaisy]

(Also your slot was pretty inactive and played against their town meta so you're currently high on my scum list, it's like a perfect set-up for a 1v1 :3)

Pardon me, but didn't you say your town meta on that slot was... a pregame?

I don't exactly know what "a pregame" means but if you mean I read a game that a couple players from this game were in accidentally (legit just picked the most recent mini norm cause I was bored), then realised I was gonna be in a game with them so used my reading to form a meta on their slots as they were both town, then yes I did pregame

[OopsieDaisy]

That is an embarrassing entrance but this one is just going to blame the bullshit it's grandpa has decided to put it through. Either way, lol lmao "a pre-game?" aside, this one doesn't put much stock into meta it has not directly played with. Could you perhaps tell me any non-meta reasons for a Bristep sus?

Very inactive/passive slot. Bri didn't make any concrete pushes whatsoever. The only strong read I remember them bringing up was that I was town for pushing them and that my meta read on them from the pregame was in fact correct.

[OopsieDaisy]

And hey if Bri's agreeing with my logic there, it doesn't look great for em

[HighPrincessErinys]

And hey if Bri's agreeing with my logic there, it doesn't look great for em

Yeah that's uh... Why the hell did he DO that?? Damn.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Skimming ISOs at random.

Spoiler: 150

Seems early to catch someone in a lie, but here we are. work me through this timeline.

Post 38-I am town

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

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Post 56--I am at the top of her scum chart.

Town

Emperor flippyNips
Towwl
Morning Tweet
OopsieDaisy
Hu Tao
DrippingGoofball
sheepsaysmeep
Save The Dragons
Merlyn
geraintm
curiouskarmadog
bristep123

Scum

post 71---I vote her for a reaction check.

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

VOTE: Elements

what about now?

post 88---you tell me I am at the top of your scum list

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

VOTE: Elements

what about now?

As I'm sure you can see from my readlist, you are in the scum zone

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when I ask why, you said it was because of post 72 and 73...which OCCUR AFTER YOU PUT ME ON YOUR SCUM LIST. So 72 and 73 IS NOT the reason I was on your scum list. Why lie?

first time I voted you was a reaction check, voting you again as this is my first real vote.

VOTE: Elements

most well-informed page 3 readwall. bad vibes on elements for this whole exchange


Big fan of 294, and kinda feeling a gera vote after reading their ISO in-depth.

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Elements
sheepsaysmeep
bristep123
OopsieDaisy
Save The Dragons

PROBABLY GONNA PING...

geraintm

I AM NOT IMPRESSED

Merlyn
Emperor flippyNips
towwl

SCUM

Hu Tao (Because he explained his vote for me LOL)
Morning Tweet (I feel sneaky agenda vibes in the posts)

UNBROKEN STREAK OF ROLLING SCUM SINCE 2007

curiouskarmadog

Any chance of some elaborations on these reads? Mainly your town reads as they don't have blurbs like your scum reads do.

am sus of

DrippingGoofball

Wanna vote drip?

Would like to know why you two suspect DGB too.

[curiouskarmadog]

do you really think scum are going to get caught in the easiest lie i've ever seen be posted on mafiascum

it just seems like trolling is more likely

But it wasnt trolling.

also in regards to that big scum energy....

what about now?

[DrippingGoofball]

I claim deathproof cop with a n0 guilty on
Hu Tao
OopsieDaisy
and curiouskarmadog


got the whole scum team. We can all go home now

I'll sheep this.

Firebringer is always town to me.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not reading 294

Oh really?

I made a scum slip in there.

too many words for you?

Or are you just trying to get the game started right now?

Why are you being so agressive?

add to it, you are not scum hunting.

what is your case on someone? Who is scum and why?

I'm town hunting

also it is a bit of another lie to say I am tunneling on you. I mean how do you know if you havent read ALL of my posts...like 294.
so did you read 294 or not?

So when I say it it's a lie, but when Towwl says it, it doesn't warrent any comment?

who cares if I am aggressive? I post something, you dont read, yet saying I am tunneling (even though you dont really know). makes a person mad. hint: please say being aggressive is scummy...please.

quit pointing at other people. Answer the question, and then we can talk about towwl.

[DrippingGoofball]

My townread on bristep was wrong as their replacement is clearly scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

One question I have Karma.

see, NOW this is where a meta comes in.

if I go back and read your other games, will I find Day 1 read to be 80% made up?

You state here that the meta matters with your read on El, where if they made up reads in other games that would affect your read on them. (at least that's what i'm getting from this post lemme know if i'm wrong)

Then, in 205 I state that I am fairly unsurprised to see that El had lied about her read on you, as this matches up decently well with the meta I have of her. Alongside this, in 227 Tweet states her meta read on Elements sees her flaking out as scum. At that point in the day, Elements was one of the most active posters in the town and thus a scum!el world contradicts Tweet's meta read.

Despite this, I've seen zero acknowledgement of either of these meta reads in your analysis. You did talk about 205 in your 294, but all your comment here tells me is how hard focused you are on getting the wagon going through brute force and pressure rather than talking about the things that at the time were standing in the way of your wagon (Meta reads, El's proactivity being good to keep in the game, etc.).

205, OD says she would have no problem joining element wagon, but stays on the Bris wagon for....what was the reason (need to look up)

^^ this is the quote I'm talking about.

I'll also answer the question here again even tho I've talked about this at length, as iirc Karma didn't like people pointing them to previous posts - Bri was someone I scumread harder because there weren't any strong counterpoints to the Bristar wagon. Bristar wasn't playing proactively, Bristar's meta painted their slot in a harsh scummy light as their town play was known to be stoic/unemotional (and yet reacted with some bite at my RVS vote), etc. The Elements wagon was tempting, but the proactive nature of Elements' play made me want to keep my vote away from El at the time. Obvs that has changed now, but that's due to the Bristar slot going cold, so any push there isn't gonna be bringing the town new info.

I'm wondering now if bringing these meta reads on Elements to your awareness has changed your read on her at all?

I havent had time to any meta. if you noticed I didnt post for the longest of time and JUST got caught up. is there a particular game of Elements you think would be good for me to read?

At the end of the day, if the game you have found for Elements doesnt show her lying about why she thinks someone is town Day 1 just to get it started...and then attempt back tracking on said read....it wont be that convincing.

now that Bris as replaced out...thoughts?

[OopsieDaisy]

who cares if I am aggressive?

for the record I kinda do, but that's just cause when someone becomes aggressive towards me I become uncomfortable and will thus try and avoid future interactions with said aggression. I've got soft skin so just try and tread carefully around me please lol. I feel like I don't need to get into how me avoiding interactions with other players makes the game harder to play out for everyone (since less info would end up in the game).

[curiouskarmadog]

who cares if I am aggressive?

for the record I kinda do, but that's just cause when someone becomes aggressive towards me I become uncomfortable and will thus try and avoid future interactions with said aggression. I've got soft skin so just try and tread carefully around me please lol. I feel like I don't need to get into how me avoiding interactions with other players makes the game harder to play out for everyone (since less info would end up in the game).

sure, I understand. Really though, aggressiveness is subjective.

look from my angle...and assume (for a second) I am town...

person X says you are scum
you ask person X why, and they give you a reason.
you catch that person in a lie.
then they backtrack.
then they flounder and wont read your posts.
they then say you are tunnelling (ie only focusing on them) as another reason why you could be scummy.
YET they havent read your posts (or they are lying again) so how would they know, right?
then when you add pressure with more questions, they hit you with, why are you so aggressive?

like come on.

seriously.

I understand thin skin. I really do. But I dont think I am being all that aggressive. I have (or I believe) I have found scum. And I am pushing that read passionately.

[curiouskarmadog]

OD, do you feel I am being aggressive? Seriously?

[curiouskarmadog]

Like come endgame you flip scum, the aggressive comment will only make me worse going forward.

[curiouskarmadog]

last game I had scum kill me because of something similar.

scum said my scum hunting was inorganic and was "clearly" scum...or something the like.

I was "aggressively" trying to get them to explain the comment. Essentially highlighting for what it was. BS. I would let it go.

they finally killed me for being "too smug".

this feels the same to me.

[curiouskarmadog]

wouldnt let it go

[OopsieDaisy]

I havent had time to any meta. if you noticed I didnt post for the longest of time and JUST got caught up. is there a particular game of Elements you think would be good for me to read?

At the end of the day, if the game you have found for Elements doesnt show her lying about why she thinks someone is town Day 1 just to get it started...and then attempt back tracking on said read....it wont be that convincing.

now that Bris as replaced out...thoughts?

Unfortunately the games I'm thinking of are irl/audio-based games, and there exists no recording of those. So yea, rip lmao. Elements can attest to the fact I've been playing that form of mafia with her for like three years now but if that's not enough for you (which it looks like it won't be cause I can't bring any hard evidence to the table), fair enough. Just know that the meta read I have on Elements will factor into how I read her.

Also I'm on the Elements wagon now, I think it's definitely worth exploring since Bri's slot has just been replaced and we've got a bit of time before wagons become more committal.

My questions have been more to try and get a read on you since I agree with Elements on the fact that I feel you've been very tunneled on their slot, and your reads on others have been based on the assumption that your wagon is the correct one to be on and thus anyone resisting it/not voting on it becomes an enemy. If you don't feel you're playing this way that's ok, it's just my current read on your slot. I do read you as town because of this though, as it's the kind of passionate play that I find town making a lot more often than scum.

And replying to your point about aggression, yea I think you're ok right now. It's just I wanted to make you (and everyone else) aware of how I get around aggression so we don't run into any issues with it in future days.

(also dang sorry to hear about that endgame you had that sounds rly sucky)

[curiouskarmadog]

(also dang sorry to hear about that endgame you had that sounds rly sucky)

I hope you dont flip scum, you seem really sweet. Would hate it if it WAS an act.


okay, I am a bit worked up though..

will take a step back for a day or two...cool down with some fresh eyes.

besides game had a couple new joiners....dont need to flood the thread with more....stuff.

[Save The Dragons]

i guess i should get some clarification

elements, did you ever give a reason for changing your read on CKD? were the readslists entirely made up or are there any merit to them?

[Save The Dragons]

i think elements's energy did change from being more bombastic to a little more focused around the time they start pushing hu tao

[HighPrincessErinys]

My townread on bristep was wrong as their replacement is clearly scum.

And you infer that how exactly?

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