Micro 1082 - I’m the Real Tracker (Day 4)
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Show"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
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"who the fuck fakeclaims Tracker like that
WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
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In post 140, Bingle wrote: Actually,
VOTE: PC
I feel like you're being very reactive here and Delta's 133 resonates. Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?In post 145, Political Clout wrote:
I didn't see anyone calling me out I'll go check later. focusing on something else today everyone.In post 133, Deltabreedy wrote:
I find it a smidge suspect how you agree with me in full after being called out for sheeping the vote on me.In post 119, Political Clout wrote:
I agree UNVOTE: we are thinking the same thing.In post 88, Deltabreedy wrote: *snip*"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I don't really think it is? Like, a VT claim isn't any more likely than an unclaimed slot for a doctor to target. And a person pseudoclaiming a target on a UTR is naturally more likely to be a doctor than a person pseudoclaiming a target on a scummy lurkerslot. I can maybe grok that you thought other people might have decided to target me based on the claim given Kowah's reaction, but legitimately that shouldn't happen and I didn't even consider that it would. I had the nullest of null claims and it should have approximately no influence on anyone without a SN rolecard as far as I am concerned.In post 146, JasonWazza wrote: a claimed role is a different beast entirely
Your clarification does make me feel a bit better about you though."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Sadge.In post 149, GuyInFreezer wrote: Replacing Merlyn. If the replacement is not found by 3 days before the deadline, deadline will be frozen."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Invis are you good?
Cause I was talking about Merlyn, not you.Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
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"who the fuck fakeclaims Tracker like that
WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
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which thing are you talking about
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Lies and slander."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I tried to skim but this game started fast on page 1
Let me get my coffee and then I'll digest everything-
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I believe I mentioned this but it was probably brief.In post 144, Bingle wrote: Meta itself is a tool that can be applied well. In this particular case, I think Merlyn saw a particular thing and jumped to an unwarranted conclusion without poking further: I think that what you did in that game and what you're doing in this game are different enough that asking why they are different can definitely lead to alignment indicative information.
Can you elaborate on why you think no lim is good WITH discussion here, compared to why you wanted no discussion for no lim in the other game?
This game everyone is a town power today. So scum will shoot tonight and will hit one. Of course, best case is they snag a pretender. But until that flip happens, everyone is (and by is I mean they personally) are of the belief they're a town power. So from that POV, scum cannot find a town power they want to find. There is no way for them to say in scum chat "x is a town pr" and especially no real way for them to say "x is a specific town pr". With that now said, the point in the previous game, and others, is that hiding the town PRs with no conversation and just no lim voting allows a greater chance for all town prs to make something happen N1, gives scum nothing more than a shot in the dark to locate one, and to me the odds say N1 will be better for town a majority of the time if played like that.
In this game, since every town can submit a night action tonight, then might as well talk to help town decide who they want to target. Because it's essentially just a shot in the dark for scum on who actually to kill. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if scum have already decided. If scum has anyone who knows the general player base well enough, they've probably already got it in their head who is the most dangerous townie to keep around from a pure scum hunting POV and will just off that person tonight.-
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Your argument is fundamentally flawed in that not all power roles are equal. Generally speaking, (and this is speaking not as a player but as a designer and reviewer of games, especially opens and mechanically complex closeds) the impacts of town choosing to no eliminate are a concern that is overlooked quite often in the design process, but that's more a function of how often they're actually a good idea. I am not a reviewer who disregards the no elimination case. In this case, we have 3 miseliminations before we lose the game. A no lim strategy has to be strong enough to overcome the loss of an elimination, the natural detriment of being on evens (scum have more voting power in an evens setup), and the risk of a lucky scum shot taking out the power that would otherwise be making up for not advancing our wincondition.
No elimination is specifically bad in this setup (and, indeed, in almost any smalltown setup) because the actual level of power we have available to us is random. If we have an inspector, tracker, doc, roleblocker, and loyal checker who are all town, and enough of them are obviously town to be trusted when they claim. As it is, this setup offers literally no guarantees that any individual result can be trusted and greatly favors town eliminating a scum player early.
I'd be happy to discuss game theory in the post, but this is probably already more than I should do so in game, as it's not super relevant."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I can kind of understand why Kowah thinks that discussion doesn't hurt the proposed no lim, fwiw, and at this point I agree that the belief is a genuine one.
Kowah, what do you think about Merlyn's meta defense of you? Reasonable, unreasonable, banana?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Hell of a coffee.In post 160, Black wrote: Let me get my coffee and then I'll digest everything"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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9 and 10 - this exchange made me lol. I'm sad I had to replace Merlyn instead of getting to play with her
13 - I don't like Jason pushing for D2 claims right out of the gate, even when I read it in an Australian accent
17 - this is the post that made me grab coffee. Reading it through...this makes more sense than what I thought Jason was getting at in #13 which was full claims. Anyone that has played with me knows I'm not a mech person at all so I don't know if this is the best play. It feels like having the information out there without the PRs having to hard claim would be good though
19 - this claim feels unnecessary. One thing confuses me:
What do you mean here? Maybe I'm not understanding the setup correctly. Pretenders know they are pretenders, right?In post 19, Bingle wrote: If I get no neighborhood, I will be taking this as confirmation that I'm a faker.
21 - wanting to end the day in a no-lim on page 1 is scummy af
23 - this feels like a fake realization, and followed by a massclaim proposal this just feels really bad
24 - I think Jason feels scummy here for the policy lim comment. Scum want to get rid of claimed roles. This angle makes sense for scum!Jason because then he wouldn't have to waste a NK on Bingle
28 - this feels like leading the Doc a little
39 - another no lim/cut the discussion post. How could this possibly be good for town? I know I said I'm not a mech person but cutting discussion short seems like it would be harmful in any setup
41 - I like this post from Delta and I agree
42 - my own slot comes in with a meta read on Kowah. Ok. This context helps a little I think
44 - oh no. Delta is getting into a language argument again lol. No, I don't think Merlyn's phrasing was scummy, but I may be a little informed
47, 48, and 49 - these feel a little weird from Appearance. I think it's just #49 actually. This reads "don't track me"
64 - feels weird and a little sheepy from PC
65 - this feels like Kowah is trending in the right direction as far as letting discussion develop before ending the day but I still think no limming is a bad idea. We should definitely yeet a scumread today
67 - I like this from Don and it indicates that he's really thinking about the game and the setup
70 - "pretenders who were told they were neighbors" ...ok so I'm assuming I'm misunderstanding the setup and Pretenders aren't told they are Pretenders. I think it was the sample role PM that made me think this? Idk
74 and 75 - these two Don posts give me town vibes
80 - I like this perspective from Bingle re: Kowah's two games. I townread the effort he's putting into solving this whole no-lim thing
88 - starting to feel like this is town!Delta here
93 - I'm not really a big fan of Bingle just accepting the "your posts feel fake" claim and not asking Kowah to elaborate
95 - this post feels scummy to me. There's an informed air about it. I agree that Delta feels town so far but Jason seems to have way more conviction here which doesn't really make sense to me. Also I don't get the Kowah TR at all, and the Bingle read is a little fence-sitty. It feels like Jason is going after Invis for poor reasons here
Felt. But I'm trying...In post 98, Invisibility wrote: I have nothing to say about mechanical stuff cuz I am bad at mechanical stuff
102 - this feels like a town post from Invis
113 - I agree with the bulk of this and I townread this analysis
Are we reading the same game? Merlyn said that particular behavior wasn't scum indicative but where did she say she was convinced Kowah was not scum?In post 132, Deltabreedy wrote:
How would Town!Merlyn be so convinced NotScum!Kowah through purely meta? What's the benefit for Town!Merlyn in doing this?In post 109, Invisibility wrote: Delta, what was scummy about Merlyn clearing Kowah of scumhood, as you put it?
135 - agreed-
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Relax! My catch ups take timeIn post 164, Bingle wrote:
Hell of a coffee.In post 160, Black wrote: Let me get my coffee and then I'll digest everything-
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Yeah well so much for that...In post 19, Bingle wrote: I will be randomly targeting a player who is not me..This is the extent of the mechanical discussion we need D1-
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I think this is where I stand after reading
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they don'tIn post 165, Black wrote: Pretenders know they are pretenders, right?Invisibility is actually AWESOME!-
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yeah I was just trusting that everyone else knew what they were talking about LOLIn post 165, Black wrote: another no lim/cut the discussion post. How could this possibly be good for town? I know I said I'm not a mech person but cutting discussion short seems like it would be harmful in any setupInvisibility is actually AWESOME!-
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if you find some wonkiness in Delta's play how come it should be obvious that Delta is town to me? Still don't get this vote.In post 110, JasonWazza wrote:
Town Delta is way more confrontational then Scum Delta, could be playing to meta, but i think it's good enough for this early.In post 100, Invisibility wrote: like describe what you see here specifically in Delta town cuz it is not as obvious as you think it is
though 105 feels a bit wonky even then, though Delta has a habit of arguing semantics a lot.
I've been back and forth as to whether or not Jason is town for their vote on me cuz like it kind of gave me genuine vibes vs it suggesting being informed like Black said. Ok now that I'm putting this into words I can barely justify the former so the latter is much more likely. 110 makes Jason's conviction even weirderInvisibility is actually AWESOME!-
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does this include the part about Kowah being scummy for not pushing anything else?In post 165, Black wrote: I like this post from Delta and I agreeInvisibility is actually AWESOME!-
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I'm a little surprised by this answer. I guess I just thought that you would know better since you seem pretty experiencedIn post 170, Invisibility wrote:
yeah I was just trusting that everyone else knew what they were talking about LOLIn post 165, Black wrote: another no lim/cut the discussion post. How could this possibly be good for town? I know I said I'm not a mech person but cutting discussion short seems like it would be harmful in any setup-
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I don't really think not pushing anyone 40 posts into the game is scummy tbhIn post 172, Invisibility wrote:
does this include the part about Kowah being scummy for not pushing anything else?In post 165, Black wrote: I like this post from Delta and I agree
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