Normal 2302: Magical Girls | GAME OVER

[Elements]

Also the Tao Train looks appealing but this one is also kind of concerned with the amount of people immediately jumping on it as well.

Also, if you look back it's taken a while to get going so I don't think people have been imidiately jumping in it

[OopsieDaisy]

Yeah the Elements wagon is dead at this point, let's make my vote useful again.

UNVOTE: Elements
VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

I think Hu Tao is playing scummy but the way this wagon has gone from 0-4 votes in a page just stinks to me, alongside one of my scumreads openly endorsing it. Gonna stick with my gut read that Bristar was scum.

[OopsieDaisy]

Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?

[towwl]

Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?

That’s standard procedure

[OopsieDaisy]

Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?

That’s standard procedure

That's good to hear

[Elements]

Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?

That’s standard procedure

Unless you're Not_Mafia

[Elements]

I think Hu Tao is playing scummy but the way this wagon has gone from 0-4 votes in a page just stinks to me, alongside one of my scumreads openly endorsing it. Gonna stick with my gut read that Bristar was scum.

What, if anything, do you think has changed since I was pushing for a Hu Tao wagon?

[sheepsaysmeep]

Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?

oh shit is it that close wtf

[OopsieDaisy]

I think Hu Tao is playing scummy but the way this wagon has gone from 0-4 votes in a page just stinks to me, alongside one of my scumreads openly endorsing it. Gonna stick with my gut read that Bristar was scum.

What, if anything, do you think has changed since I was pushing for a Hu Tao wagon?

The bout of posts from 420-426 is what pinged me on that slot. Before these posts Hu Tao to me was someone who I wasn't paying much attention to as an inactive player who apparently was pushed rly hard as town in their previous game (as per Towwl). But a lot of the posts Hu Tao just made don't make sense. The idea of Karma doing a 180 from their last game, the sudden jump onto Tweet for not voting for Emperor, etc. I think that makes a pretty direct opening for a wagon and plenty have took up the opportunity to hop on.

[OopsieDaisy]

Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?

oh shit is it that close wtf

I think it's 4-3 or 4-4 right now I wanna say, tho I'm terrible at keeping count lol. I just wanted to clear the hammer thing up now since there are only a two or three days left for us to decide who to elim.

[Elements]

So why does that stink to you?

[OopsieDaisy]

So why does that stink to you?

Because from what I know about large normal 243, Hu Tao was wrongly voted out when they were town and so when I see them similarly getting pushed here I'm worried about another misvote on the slot based on what is just them making reads that don't make much sense to us.

Alongside this I scumread you and STD has strong associations with you through voting. Seeing you both on the wagon worries me too.

[OopsieDaisy]

Plus the counterwagon is my strongest scumread, so naturally I want to see that wagon get pushed through too.

[towwl]

Hu Tao was wrongly voted out

Just to be clear, Hu Tao wasn't voted out in that game, they survived to the end.

[OopsieDaisy]

Hu Tao was wrongly voted out

Just to be clear, Hu Tao wasn't voted out in that game, they survived to the end.

Oop I was wrong my b, what exactly happened with Hu Tao's slot in that game again? Clearly I need a refresher lol

[Elements]

Hu Tao was wrongly voted out

Just to be clear, Hu Tao wasn't voted out in that game, they survived to the end.

Oop I was wrong my b, what exactly happened with Hu Tao's slot in that game again? Clearly I need a refresher lol

Mafia got voted out almost every day
Didn't look like a close game

[OopsieDaisy]

curiouskarmadog and Hu Tao both had a lot of people scumreading them in large 243 and both were town. Also the on-again-off-again relationship between Andante and Flavor Leaf on D1/D2 was fun to read but that's not quite as relevant here.

How far into the game were they incorrectly scum read? And what were the reasons?

ckd was one of the first wagons on D1 because of an early case made against them by scum, vaguely claimed a negative utility pr due to being a prominent wagon and needing to go V/LA for a bit, then was on a lot of people's lists for the rest of the game until they were killed N5 and flipped as an ascetic townie. I think most of their heat came from scum though iirc. They were pretty clearly town to me when I read the thread!

I don't really remember why Hu Tao was SRd though. People just think they have scummy vibes or something. I think activity levels was an argument. D1 went on forever and they were a competing wagon there for a good bit of it. They survived to the end.

I hope I get a good grade on my large normal 243 quiz

AHA i found the post :3

so ok I was wrong about a misvote but I was right about the scummy vibe/activity levels fuelled push thing. i'll take that i was like half right sdklgjk.

[Elements]

Does this change your view on the wagon at all?

[sheepsaysmeep]

Big fan of 294, and kinda feeling a gera vote after reading their ISO in-depth.

I want @HPE to explain being a "big fan" of this post lol

the only reason I dont dislike those posts is because I know ckd does it as town from that large normal we keep talking about

[OopsieDaisy]

Does this change your view on the wagon at all?

My core worries about this being a really easy bail out push for scum and the fact that a possible scumteam are on it do remain. I will admit though the pie-in-my-face feeling I felt misremembering Towwl's 243 post has took some of my confidence away lol.

[sheepsaysmeep]

HighPrincessErinys [ 3 ] sheepsaysmeep, geraintm, Save the Dragons

seems like a bad wagon

Back after 2 days at legoland

I agree, this is a terrible wagon

why is it bad

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: HPE

in case I wasnt already

[sheepsaysmeep]

I actually townread the recent hu tao catchup a bit lol

idk in a really shallow way

-vibes are more like last game
-I buy the "ckd 180 from last game" even if I dont see myself; I feel like hu tao set precedent by hinting earlier that ckd felt different and I buy that lol
-I like the question in 424 I thought it was weird how std's commentary on elements doesnt actually say anything meaningful
-I get the scumread of the morning post, I dont think it's actually wolfy post lol but I did notice a disconnect in discussing hu tao wolf and then voting emperor and I think hu tao's vote

makes sense

-rescinding drip scumread makes me feel better about him

[sheepsaysmeep]

I think HPE slot is like egregiously wolfy and would be my preferred lim at the moment

hu tao is still fine, emperor is fairly good option

[towwl]

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