Mafia 2301: Angels and Demons (Game Over)

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Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:47 pm

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In post 1324, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1288, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1287, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1279, Doctor Drew wrote: In the meantime.

I just don't trust GMo, full stop.....scared of the Mimi factor though since they are more wackadoo and all over the place then usual.

Wheme is Wheme, easy vote to make if you want to be limmed.

Bianco is kinda Bianco.

Something about Greeting pings me, in a bastard game with some wackadoo stuffs, I could easily see a buss.
I think you are informed about mafia. I think you know mafia and I think you know that greeting is mafia. you have done the same with the meuh vote so I wouldn't be surprised if ur right about greeting. I mean I said that same theory that they are aligned together and could be orchestrated and you called out to be tinfoil theory so I think you should just vote this with me

VOTE: Greeting
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VOTE: Greeting
why did u vote wit me?
Isn't that what you wanted?

And I am not informed of who is mafia, that would be boring, but one of these tin foil thoughts has got to be right lol.
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Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:47 pm

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wait Drew did u claim already?


are u just a vt in a pt by urself ?
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Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:52 pm

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answer quick i think I have some good info that no one has thought of before yet
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Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:55 pm

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In post 1326, GrandpaMo wrote: wait Drew did u claim already?


are u just a vt in a pt by urself ?
Well Mason by name.....but ya, basically a vt in my own personal PT.
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Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:58 pm

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Imaginality - PR (active)
demona - PR (active)
GrandpaMo - PR (passive)
Drew - PR (passive)
Phir - vt
Greeting - vt


Meuh - scum

Cat Scratch Fever - 3rd party

I am now requesting that Biancospino, enchant, and whemestar to roleclaim.
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Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:00 pm

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oh wait spino claimed vt -- thats even more interesting

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Phir - vt
Greeting - vt
biancospino - vt


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Cat Scratch Fever - 3rd party

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Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:03 pm

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In post 1179, Phir wrote:
In post 1176, GrandpaMo wrote: ngl phir im interested in ur no vote, I see a potential benefit. talk to me
The benefit is keeping safe. But I know it fails, even in this game, so I don't feel like pushing it. Maybe someday I'll get a no lim.

Right now at least I feel bianco isn't town. So.

I'm not going to vote Bianco I'm not a lemming.

Meuh I will vote however. Outside of how they have backtracked on me bei g town and other things, the clear drive today is towards a greeting or meuh lim.

Greeting: Could be town, scum, or capable mime
Meuh: Could be good scum or at this point lost town but not a mime
Biancospino: Scum or mime. Hard to decide which, both vibes are there.

If I want to vote today it's gonna be meuh, I'll hammer over greeting.

I've been getting dEfinite scum vibes from them today. I feel their positioning on bianco and imag is weird.

And for now it's my safest play oother than a no lim or a self vote.

Meuh..... almost voted just now but meh there's time.
In post 1180, Phir wrote: Cat Scatch/Bianco as mimes and Imag/meuh as scum makes sense on an instinctual level to me since last night.
In post 1181, Phir wrote:
In post 827, Greeting wrote:
In post 788, Meuh wrote:
In post 784, imaginality wrote: VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever E-2

If there was scum on WhemeStar it's probably this vote switch to Enchant because I don't think scum!Drew would switch to Mo (if Mo was a likely mislim that would've kicked off after the fake PR stuff).

And... eh I guess scum!bianco might see town!Phir as a possible mislim but CSF's vote on Enchant seems the most likely to be scum trying to get a different mislim going after the first one stalled.

The rolefishing seems bad (narrows down who might be doc, also the 'weird or normal roles' question could help scum with faking claims. Specifically I don't think we should say if there are thematic flavour elements in our PMs or not). But it does seem, particularly demona asking about doc, too blatant for scum to feel comfortable doing it.

This is a pretty weird game to try to read, it feels like listening to people talking underwater. I wouldn't be opposed to limming WhemeStar still (I think the flip would be more informative than waiting to get a read from their posts) but I was suspicious of CSF earlier and the switch to Enchant has pinged me again.
Okay yeah Imaginality can be town, love this post
Hmm.

What do you love about that post?
Ok I read back to try and see where greeting was when they were in hammer range, im sort of agreeing with enchant the poss. They a mime slimmer.

Instead I noticed this, and at the time I was also curious about imag's post which basically sheeped the demona/greeting/meuh/phir dynamic. I kept silent, and while meuh's ready acceptance of imag's post might have raised an eyebrow I think I still had meuh as solid town.

I forgot all aboit all that, but I did like greeting not seeming to like imag's post by questioning meuh.

So.

Going off what imag says here I'm starting to feel scum uninformed about mimes, meuh/imag scum bianco/cat mimes, I'm feeling it stronger.
In post 1182, Phir wrote: VOTE: imaginality for now.
In post 1183, Enchant wrote:
In post 1182, Phir wrote: VOTE: imaginality for now.
why
In post 1184, Phir wrote:
In post 1183, Enchant wrote:
In post 1182, Phir wrote: VOTE: imaginality for now.
why
Cos I'm basically waiting to vote meuh. Doubt people will vote outside meuh/greeting.
In post 1185, Enchant wrote: Then vote Meuh
In post 1186, Phir wrote:No.
In post 1187, Enchant wrote: ... Okay whatever.
In post 1188, WhemeStar wrote: VOTE: Meuh
In post 1189, imaginality wrote:
In post 1095, Phir wrote:
In post 1090, Enchant wrote:
In post 1088, Phir wrote: And you assume scum/sk are not informed about the mimes(question for everybody).
I am assuming nothing

More dumb questions please?
Plz unvote this doesnt feel natural from bianco could be meuh/bianco. I hope you're town lol.
I agree with bianco that Phir's post here seems suspicious.
In post 1099, Phir wrote: And I have to check imaginality also with the greeting vote.

The fact that enchant hasnt unvoted can be AI.

If I hammer I might not have to deal with all this shite anymore tho so. Maybe if Mo is mime scum banking on the mo hammer, bianco defs scummy not mimey maybe.
Phir is probably scum with Greeting. This second post feels to me like Phir saw the unvote the post before so could appear willing to hammer without actually having to.
In post 1170, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1169, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1168, GrandpaMo wrote: I think both u and greeting have a possibility of both being town. im just not in the right headscarf to explain it
Well put on the correct headscarf, because you can't just say that without explaining why.
since no one spoke up about giving greeting that power, it is possible that scum has an ability that gives town a false power where the power, in this case a watcher ability, always produces a negative result, in this case a guilty result on the target, Meuh.
Tbh this is a possibility that should be considered in a bastard game. But I think there'd be more people voting Meuh if scum were actually using the power that way as they'd make the most of it (especially considering it nets them two mislims). So I don't think this is our reality.

I also agree that Greeting not wanting the power giver to out themselves is a sus mindset. I think there's more benefit in that getting clarified than getting to use it again.
In post 1176, GrandpaMo wrote: ngl phir im interested in ur no vote, I see a potential benefit. talk to me
If we had a good sense of how many scum and mimes we have we could make scum take another shot or two before eliminating someone, to increase the chance of the mimes losing. Though I think more likely we end up worse off since scum probably aim for town if they know that's the plan. And probably have a better read than us on who the mimes are.

--
I don't think Drew and Whemestar push for the elimination to be between Meuh and Greeting today if either of them were Greeting's buddy. Or if they're scum and know Greeting's a mime. So I guess I have to consider them most likely town.

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Town:
Meuh
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Drew
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Phir
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this series of quotes is very interesting. drew and spino i wants ur thoughts on this -- is this why phir was killed during the night?
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Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:06 pm

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You think it is imaginalty?

Cause these quotes seem like it makes no sense to nk Phir if scum thought they could get them mis-elimed.
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Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:10 pm

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In post 1329, GrandpaMo wrote: I am now requesting that Biancospino, enchant, and whemestar to roleclaim.
... I already did
In post 1311, biancospino wrote:
In post 1308, WhemeStar wrote: VOTE: bianco
Oh, that E-1 isn't it. VT.
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Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:18 pm

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It is true that Phir sussed Imag a lot, thou (1) I don't think Phir in themselves would be felt as much of a tractioning force for that wagon, and (2) Imag being scum would imply he used his governor+kill ability on a partner which idk if it's remotely close to optimal. The tinfoil of course is that it's not melded Governor Vigilante but something more like an execution delayer
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Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:21 pm

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This barren solitude inspires in me?
Of course, if you had any inkling, you
Would use your devil's tricks to cheat me of it, too.


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Biancospino (2): imaginality, Whemestar
Doctor Drew (1): Enchant
Greeting (1): Doctor Drew
Enchant (1): biancospino

not voting (2): GrandpaMo, Greeting

with 7 alive it is 4 to eliminate.
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Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:34 pm

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im just gonna wait for a roleclaim from wheme and enchant
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Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:35 pm

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In post 1334, biancospino wrote: It is true that Phir sussed Imag a lot, thou (1) I don't think Phir in themselves would be felt as much of a tractioning force for that wagon, and (2) Imag being scum would imply he used his governor+kill ability on a partner which idk if it's remotely close to optimal. The tinfoil of course is that it's not melded Governor Vigilante but something more like an execution delayer
wait imag is governor?

then why did meuh hammer themselves?
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Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:35 pm

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In post 1264, imaginality wrote: VOTE: Doctor Drew
In post 1266, imaginality wrote: VOTE: Unvote misremembered something. I'll reread later
what is this about @imag?
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Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:36 pm

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In post 1239, imaginality wrote: I claim the vig shot. My role gave me the power to stop a lim and get a vig shot the following night.

When CSF flipped mime I realised that this is a useful power to kill rather than lim mimes.

I wanted to use it, was originally planning to use it on Greeting but after Meuh's self-hammer I knew she was anti-town so I went for her instead.
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Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:37 pm

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In post 1239, imaginality wrote: I claim the vig shot. My role gave me the power to stop a lim and get a vig shot the following night.

When CSF flipped mime I realised that this is a useful power to kill rather than lim mimes.

I wanted to use it, was originally planning to use it on Greeting but after Meuh's self-hammer I knew she was anti-town so I went for her instead.
i just dont understand why u would stop the shot u would kill??? especially if they self hammered.

this is contradicting because u say u had a power to stop the lim right -- but meuh self hammered. at what point were u able to stop it?
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Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:41 pm

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Meuh limmed herself for two possible reasons: (1) because she though she was destined to die anyway and wanted to rob us of discussion, in which case Imag isn't red; or (2) she though she was destined to die anyway and wanted to put up a little theatrical by dying the Night, thus allowing Imag to fakeclaim Vig uncounterclaimed, in which case Imag is red.

Green imag would pardon the execution of someone they though was a mime and kill them after that, makes full sense to me.

Can stop a lim during Twilight presumably, by pm to the mod. I think that's just a standard governor
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Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:48 pm

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In post 1341, biancospino wrote: or (2) she though she was destined to die anyway and wanted to put up a little theatrical by dying the Night, thus allowing Imag to fakeclaim Vig uncounterclaimed, in which case Imag is red.

Green imag would pardon the execution of someone they though was a mime and kill them after that, makes full sense to me.
2 sounds very more likely to happen. i dont see scum why they wont take advantage of that opportunity . i mean i see u which u mean about green imag but them saying "was originally planning to use it on Greeting but after Meuh's self-hammer I knew she was anti-town so I went for her instead." just the way imag worded just sounds off idk man
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Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:51 pm

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In post 1340, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1239, imaginality wrote: I claim the vig shot. My role gave me the power to stop a lim and get a vig shot the following night.

When CSF flipped mime I realised that this is a useful power to kill rather than lim mimes.

I wanted to use it, was originally planning to use it on Greeting but after Meuh's self-hammer I knew she was anti-town so I went for her instead.
i just dont understand why u would stop the shot u would kill??? especially if they self hammered.

this is contradicting because u say u had a power to stop the lim right -- but meuh self hammered. at what point were u able to stop it?
To clarify, I could PM the mod at any time during the day before an elimination has occurred. Not in twilight. So I didn't know for sure when I PMed if it would be Meuh or Greeting (or even someone else but it seemed likely to be one of the two). And I felt like there was a decent chance of the power being useful.

Also I saw after CSF flipped that mime have a factional roleblock and I felt like it was better to use the power D2 because there was less chance I'd be roleblocked than if I tried to use it tonight.

I didn't mention the power during D2 because it seemed obvious that its main use is to punish mimes for going "ner ner, tricked y'alls" in twilight, which is what I thought Meuh was doing with her self-hammer.
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Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:53 pm

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In post 1342, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1341, biancospino wrote: or (2) she though she was destined to die anyway and wanted to put up a little theatrical by dying the Night, thus allowing Imag to fakeclaim Vig uncounterclaimed, in which case Imag is red.

Green imag would pardon the execution of someone they though was a mime and kill them after that, makes full sense to me.
2 sounds very more likely to happen. i dont see scum why they wont take advantage of that opportunity . i mean i see u which u mean about green imag but them saying "was originally planning to use it on Greeting but after Meuh's self-hammer I knew she was anti-town so I went for her instead." just the way imag worded just sounds off idk man
If I were scum and Meuh is limmed, after I've been defending her as town during D2, I'd 100% vig Greeting. And Meuh definitely wouldn't have self-hammered to make it obvious she was anti-town
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Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:22 pm

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My only question is why one role can both stop day kill and perform night kill as well.

I would expect to different players have it, cuz if Imaginality for example died N1, now what?


Thinking Meuh is mime only possible if Greeting was mafia who randomly accused mime somehow. Stopping elim is meh decision here, but Imaginality still fine for me.

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Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:56 pm

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As I mentioned it wasn't clear Meuh was going to be the lim when I told the mod. And I thought there was a good chance Greeting was mime or mafia hence me not being scared of a Greeting 'lim'.

Shooting Meuh was best once she self-hammered. Yes more likely mafia than mime but either way guaranteed anti-town
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Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:58 pm

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@GrandpaMo what do you think of my theory of a biancospino mafia, Enchant mime world?
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Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:46 am

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In post 1345, Enchant wrote: My only question is why one role can both stop day kill and perform night kill as well.

I would expect to different players have it, cuz if Imaginality for example died N1, now what?


Thinking Meuh is mime only possible if Greeting was mafia who randomly accused mime somehow. Stopping elim is meh decision here, but Imaginality still fine for me.

My decision yet unchanged.
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Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:47 am

Post by GrandpaMo »

In post 1347, imaginality wrote: @GrandpaMo what do you think of my theory of a biancospino mafia, Enchant mime world?
im just waiting for wheme and enchant to roleclaim because i think we can sorta find a lead there on whose lying?
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