Mini Normal 2303 [Postgame!!!!]

[ItalianoVD]

And this makes T3 town?

Never said he was town but it’s nullest of nulls so if I’m choosing between happy or T3 I’ll pick happy. For me he’s had more to vote for imo but if you say there is no traction for happy then convince me on T3.

[Cook]

i'm on board for a happy lim

[ItalianoVD]

Unfortunately we can't just ask vig to cook cook because she might be a mafia bp shrug

Umm vig can’t kill bulletproof regardless of alignment right so how does “we can’t ask vig to kill cook because she might be a mafia bp” make sense, unless you misspoke.

If there's a vig cook is probably scum, so it would be nice and simple if they could just shoot her, but they can't because bulletproof.

I'm curious what you're getting at here. Like, is there some kind of scum motivation to phrasing things this way?

Nah, I’m just to understand what you’re saying. The way I read what you said was that there would be a difference in result if she “wasn’t” scum, but whatever I guess it doesn’t matter. I do understand that a vig probably confirms Cook as scum.

[ItalianoVD]

This is why I prefer dayplay over mechanics.

[Ausuka]

Well personally I'd vote cook before happy so we might be at an impasse here

[iamveryhappy]

i'm on board for a happy lim

Of course you are you survivalistic person

[Asri Teroka]

Also, where has fire gone? He's been so active all this time

This one wants to hear from something smart as well actually.

[Asri Teroka]

And this makes T3 town?

Never said he was town but it’s nullest of nulls so if I’m choosing between happy or T3 I’ll pick happy. For me he’s had more to vote for imo but if you say there is no traction for happy then convince me on T3.

Iamveryhappy seems very town after a quick iso scan. Is all of this because he has been sussing you and invisibility?

This one feels like giving Ausuka more town points here.

[Cook]

i'm on board for a happy lim

Of course you are you survivalistic person

i hardly think dying is an excuse for living

[Flower]

Is it possible Cook would be our only investigative role? I personally don't think we should vote for her because it might be really hard to find scum this game.

In a setup where Town 1-shot BP Rolecop makes sense there's also very likely other mid to low power investigative roles like Tracker/Watcher/Weak Visitor/Backup/Whatever

This is why I prefer dayplay over mechanics.

Just vote Cook then

-A

[Invisibility]

Flower's vote must be finely scrutinized Erynis did not fully feel like town despite many people seeming okay with everything here.

This one is unimpressed by T3. T3 is parked on smart but not hunting. T3 is pulling the 'Black is town card' which at this point is a great way to discredit Ausuka regardless of Black's alignment.

T3 seems happy with the Cook elim and stays away from thread to draw no further sus. Already made the retroactive Cook can be scum read for self preservation here.

Probably someone looking to hammer Cook.

wdym "retroactive Cook can be scum read for sec preservation"?

Describe T3's progression on Cook throughout the game then.

this isn't a defense I'm asking for clarification. Though I think I understand now lol I was confused

[Invisibility]

yeah I see it now and I think that's compelling enough to let Cook live until tomorrow VOTE: T3

[Invisibility]

but then lately i was thinking that he's fallen off a bit and has felt more passive and reactive. the continued push on cook doesn't really feel that much like he's continuously trying to sort her based on new information, feels like he's kinda already decided

I noticed this too and filed it away into the back of my mind. When I saw that post from Invisibility I thought that Invis/Cook could be s/s, but I don’t fully remember why. It kind of reminded me of a game when I was scum and I was trying to bus a partner but the wagon ran out of steam, but I had to keep going with my scumread otherwise it would look weird.

trying to setup a lim on me after we lim your partner!! Bleh!!!

[Invisibility]

but then lately i was thinking that he's fallen off a bit and has felt more passive and reactive. the continued push on cook doesn't really feel that much like he's continuously trying to sort her based on new information, feels like he's kinda already decided

I noticed this too and filed it away into the back of my mind. When I saw that post from Invisibility I thought that Invis/Cook could be s/s, but I don’t fully remember why. It kind of reminded me of a game when I was scum and I was trying to bus a partner but the wagon ran out of steam, but I had to keep going with my scumread otherwise it would look weird.

trying to setup a lim on me after we lim your partner!! Bleh!!!

looks like this especially since T3 pulled this rabbit out of his hat only after people had already expressed suspicion of me and he doesn't really present any new ideas here

[Asri Teroka]

Quick patterns on vote scan.

Spoiler:

Day 1 Votecount 1

I know it's standard to give some sort of flavor here. However I'm probably not going to do that sorry. too much work.

Cook (2):

HighPrincessErinys, KatyKimFanClub

Hu Tao (2):

Arsi Teroka, Ausuka

iamveryhappy (2):

ItalianoVD, fireisredsir

Ausuka (1):

Invisibility

Invisibility (1):

iamveryhappy

HighPrincessErinys (1):

Cook

Not Voting (4):

T3, Black, Something_Smart, Hu Tao

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

Fire and Italiano on happy early. Invis on Ausuka.

Day 1 Votecount 2

Cook (5):

HighPrincessErinys, KatyKimFanClub, Invisibility, fireisredsir, Ausuka

Invisibility (2):

iamveryhappy, Black

Hu Tao (1):

Arsi Teroka

HighPrincessErinys (1):

Cook

T3 (1):

ItalianoVD

Not Voting (3):

T3, Something_Smart, Hu Tao

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

Invis and fire help with the early Cook e2, VD on T3.

Day 1 Votecount 3

Invisibility (2):

iamveryhappy, Black

HighPrincessErinys (2):

Cook, fireisredsir

Ausuka (1):

Arsi Teroka

fireisredsir (1):

Invisibility

Cook (1):

Ausuka

Asri Teroka (1):

ItalianoVD

Not Voting (5):

T3, Something_Smart, Hu Tao, HighPrincessErinys, KatyKimFanClub
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

Fire on Flower, Invis on Fire, VD on Asri.

Day 1 Votecount 5

ItalianoVD (3):

Invisibility, Cook, iamveryhappy

iamveryhappy (2):

KatyKimFanClub, Arsi Teroka

Invisibility (1):

Black

HighPrincessErinys (1):

fireisredsir

Cook (1):

Ausuka

Not Voting (5):

T3, Something_Smart, Hu Tao, HighPrincessErinys, ItalianoVD

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

Invis wagon dead in tracks. Invis on VD, Fire still on Flower, VD had that Asri unvote.

Day 1 Votecount 5

Cook (3):

Ausuka, Invisibility, ItalianoVD

ItalianoVD (2):

Cook, iamveryhappy

iamveryhappy (2):

KatyKimFanClub, Arsi Teroka

Invisibility (1):

Black

HighPrincessErinys (1):

fireisredsir

Not Voting (4):

T3, Something_Smart, Hu Tao, HighPrincessErinys

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

VD and invis switch to cook. Fire still on flower.

Day 1 Votecount 6

ItalianoVD (3):

Cook, iamveryhappy, fireisredsir

Cook (3):

Invisibility, ItalianoVD, Arsi Teroka

Black (2):

T3, Ausuka

iamveryhappy (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Ausuka (1):

Black

Arsi Teroka (1):

HighPrincessErinys

Not Voting (2):

Something_Smart, Hu Tao

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

Fire goes on VD while Cook is the counter.

Day 1 Votecount 7

Arsi Teroka (3):

HighPrincessErinys, Cook, T3

Cook (2):

Invisibility, ItalianoVD

ItalianoVD (2):

iamveryhappy, fireisredsir

iamveryhappy (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Ausuka (1):

Black

KatyKimFanClub (1):

Ausuka

T3 (1):

Arsi Teroka

Not Voting (2):

Something_Smart, Hu Tao

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

No changes in three studied.

Day 1 Votecount 8

Arsi Teroka (3):

HighPrincessErinys, Cook, T3

Cook (2):

Invisibility, ItalianoVD

ItalianoVD (2):

iamveryhappy, fireisredsir

T3 (2):

Arsi Teroka, Ausuka

iamveryhappy (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Ausuka (1):

Black

Not Voting (2):

Something_Smart, Hu Tao

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

Same.

Day 1 Votecount 10

Cook (3):

ItalianoVD, Black, Hu Tao

T3 (2):

Arsi Teroka, Ausuka

Hu Tao (2):

fireisredsir, Cook

Something_Smart (1):

T3

Arsi Teroka (1):

HighPrincessErinys

iamveryhappy (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Ausuka (1):

iamveryhappy

ItalianoVD (1):

Invisibility

Not Voting (1):

Something_Smart

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

Invis again votes VD. Fire votes Hu Tao with Tao and VD on Cook.

Day 1 Votecount 11

Cook (5):

ItalianoVD, Black, Hu Tao, Flower, Invisibility

T3 (2):

Arsi Teroka, Ausuka

Hu Tao (2):

fireisredsir, Cook

Something_Smart (1):

T3

iamveryhappy (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Ausuka (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (1):

Something_Smart

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

Invis on Cook after Flower joins.

Day 1 Votecount 13

Cook (5):

ItalianoVD, Black, Hu Tao, Invisibility, Flower

T3 (3):

Arsi Teroka, Ausuka, Cook

Hu Tao (1):

fireisredsir

Something_Smart (1):

T3

iamveryhappy (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Ausuka (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (1):

Something_Smart

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

Fire still on Hu Tao, as was the case with Flower. Fire sussed VD a lot this game, but probably it has been happy who has done it the most.

[Asri Teroka]

VOTE: ItalianoVD

[Asri Teroka]

This one will go over Cook and T3 votes when they can, eight hours maximum.

[Flower]

btw since I've seen basically nothing from T3 what's the case there? I find it pretty sus that Invis and Ausuka both think Cook's gigascum and then vote the biggest counterwagon instead just cause they want Rolecop results

-A

[Something_Smart]

Cook, you should definitely investigate one of the people who said "cOoK iS tRuEcLaImInG aS sCuM".

Assuming you are town, those are likely to contain the types of people who want a town rolecop dead, i.e. scum PR's.

[Asri Teroka]

btw since I've seen basically nothing from T3 what's the case there? I find it pretty sus that Invis and Ausuka both think Cook's gigascum and then vote the biggest counterwagon instead just cause they want Rolecop results

-A

Ausuka feels good and doesn't necessarily think Cook is giga scum, you misrepresent.

T3 can be town.

Invisibility and ItalianoVD have high team equity.

[Asri Teroka]

Cook, you should definitely investigate one of the people who said "cOoK iS tRuEcLaImInG aS sCuM".

Assuming you are town, those are likely to contain the types of people who want a town rolecop dead, i.e. scum PR's.

That being a few people maybe, off memory including this one and perhaps Ausuka while discussing Cook.

Apeearing at this time, this one will wait and see what more you have to offer.

[Flower]

btw since I've seen basically nothing from T3 what's the case there? I find it pretty sus that Invis and Ausuka both think Cook's gigascum and then vote the biggest counterwagon instead just cause they want Rolecop results

-A

Ausuka feels good and doesn't necessarily think Cook is giga scum, you misrepresent.

T3 can be town.

Invisibility and ItalianoVD have high team equity.

I mean, it's just an example. I'm not saying the setup has to be exactly that, I'm saying it's possible for the role to exist in a setup built around a town rolecop. I think the possibility cook is town and we can get utility is more important than a mafia rolecop shot which is like, not great for us but ultimately I don't think it's that big of a deal

How likely is Cook flipping green in your eyes?

-A

Maybe like 50/50? She's certainly suspicious and I think is considerably >rand scum but it's hard to be sure about anything on d1 and people who don't make sense flip town sometimes

Yeah ISOing T3 they're a lurker and I'm fine with leaving them for later

-A

[fireisredsir]

sorry didn't realize how close it was to deadline, had an overwhelming weekend and haven't had energy to follow this

will try to be around more soon, some quick things for now

skimmed and all of the setup spec went over my head but if rolecop isn't very powerful as someone said then maybe it's real? being bulletproof actually matches up a lot with what i interpreted earlier as overly obvious softing so i kinda want to buy that

idk

don't really want to lim there still

t3 is kinda whatever to me, i did end up reading some of his recent town and scum games earlier and i think they are both pretty similarly low content and i didn't see a lot of difference. idk how to sort him but i think yeeting him here is kinda lazy and im not sure why he is the default place people are coalescing as opposed to like, hu tao, who i think has been a lot more scummy

i see asri just voted here so im down, his entry back into the thread was okay i guess but i don't really like his response to the cook claim (the bit where he first speculated it as a maf role and then backed off and said he hated setup spec when it felt like the wagon lost some traction, and some of the posts surrounding compromise options felt weird)

VOTE: italiano

[Asri Teroka]

VOTE: Invisibility

This one wants to pry.

[Cook]

i'm seeing a good point being raised: let's sort this game by "people who want me dead" and "people who trust my claim" and then when i flip town either today or tomorrow then you'll have somewhere to start