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Post Post #1875 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:33 am

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like many things in life
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Post Post #1876 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:33 am

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This also
very softly
implies there are 3 scum if fire is scum, though obviously he could just be faking that
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Post Post #1877 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:07 pm

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If only there were some way to find out whether there are 2 scum
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Post Post #1878 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:08 pm

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can't the third scum just claim a role that makes the math be mathing correctly to fool us into thinking there's 2 scum
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Post Post #1879 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:08 pm

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idk exactly but i assume there's some potential for ambiguity there
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Post Post #1880 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:12 pm

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I don't think we need to know if there's 2 scum or 3 today in order to lim fire

I don't really want to comment on scum claiming strategy in the event that there's only 2 scum at this stage because they could easily make a mistake when massclaim comes, be it today or tomorrow
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Post Post #1881 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:14 pm

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ive decided I agree no massclaim today and sure I wont rly talk about why
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Post Post #1882 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:16 pm

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oops mb
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Post Post #1883 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:51 pm

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I've lost track of why we want to kill fire so bad
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Post Post #1884 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:52 pm

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This is because as his partner I didn't really read any of it to begin with
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Post Post #1885 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:01 pm

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In post 1883, Cephrir wrote: I've lost track of why we want to kill fire so bad
i mean same

it wasn't really ever explained that well imo
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Post Post #1886 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:03 pm

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i think i probably am generally too accepting of people suspecting me bc im like "yea sure i probably deserve that"

and ive let scum get away w it before

except this time i do still think the main people pushing me are town. so. maybe now isn't the time for applying those lessons. or maybe i haven't learned. idk
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Post Post #1887 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:07 pm

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idk i guess i kinda am philosophically opposed to the "where's the CASE" mentality bc sometimes people are just scum and it's sometimes kinda easy to pick apart cases

but also it's probably not such an unreasonable thing to request one
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Post Post #1888 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:09 pm

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if its bc i was wrong and pushed some town then we should be yeeting mena into the sun tomorrow lmao
(but please don't actually do that)
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Post Post #1889 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:56 pm

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i mean maybe scum mena is smart/bold/unashamed enough to believe that he can get away with playing dumb

i just kinda thought it would be too embarrassing for him. and i do still think the initial reaction to me was towny. and i do buy that he would genuinely think that koba's approach is a good way to play the game

but it is kinda weird to go from believing enchant is scum off something that i still don't really get why he was so confident in, to trying to solve the whole game off it preflip (and showing no regret or shame at having done so after the flip came)

to then being way more confident in me being scum (in a manner that i think does actually make sense from town mena) to... doing literally nothing to solve the game off it preflip

there's been like two posts about slots unrelated to me in the last 2 weeks
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Post Post #1890 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:16 pm

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In post 1864, Aureal wrote: Also I totally didn't realize that it's possible to have only two Mafia? You're not just making that up, right?
In post 1870, fireisredsir wrote: well that would be cool if there were only 2 maf
In post 1871, fireisredsir wrote: i also kinda wish i had known that before i had started using poe as an element of solving all game lol
I'm not sure how to feel about these...
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Post Post #1891 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:19 pm

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In post 1878, fireisredsir wrote: can't the third scum just claim a role that makes the math be mathing correctly to fool us into thinking there's 2 scum
No, it would shift us from 2 scum to 2 scum and a SK. And the likely conclusion from that is that there is no SK and one of the pr claims are lying.

Mafia would need two people to claim to make it seem like there were 3 mafia - but if they do this, it is again clear that somebody is fake claiming when the mafia don't win at 5 people alive.
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Post Post #1892 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:54 pm

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That last post makes my head hurt.

But at least I figured out the possible scum teams. Because they're like, written out plainly and even though I noticed most of them had Godfathers I just didn't actually count how many roles were in them all. ._.

Still haven't figured out why the setup seems to assume that it's impossible to roll in the same PR's block of numbers more than a certain amount of times though. I want to see a 7Vs game! :o
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Post Post #1893 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:57 pm

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ok after a more thorough reading of aisa scum and town meta i feel a bit better here actually

she is good at scum (and good at replicating some of the energy that i was vibe townreading) but i think there's noticeable differences in the directions she chooses to take. pretty much every post is advancing her position and pushing agenda she has goals in mind when she's doing things and i think they're visible

as town there's a sort of nervous excited energy of let's solve the game. maybe bc of the pfp i picture a bunny who has just been dropped in the middle of an open field and is really excited to go find the carrots or whatever but doesn't know where they are and also is a little intimidated by the open space surrounding them. so there's a lot of eager jumping around and sniffing at things and changing course and things not going how they were planned bc there never really was a plan in the first place. it still comes across as relatively composed but the energy is underlying things

this game does have a good amount of that, i think, and it's something implosion talked about earlier when he was saying why he was willing to townlock her. i think i agree. she feels inquisitive, pushing things because they're fun to push and she wants to see what it will do, and not bc it will get her anywhere necessarily. fundamentally, she feels driven primarily by a desire to solve the game

admittedly it is... hard to guess at seeing if there's agenda in things when we have no idea what the scumteam is rn. and that's probably something to assess after flips. but i feel like at least ive done a more diligent check here and am more okay with calling her town
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Post Post #1894 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:03 pm

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ik some people maybe wanted me to case aureal but i don't really feel like it rn sorry lol

maybe later ill be inspired

im checking out some dunn stuff for now
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Post Post #1895 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:05 pm

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In post 1851, Cephrir wrote: I changed my mind I don't look like fire's partner and you're a noob if you go that path
so true bestie
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Post Post #1896 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:08 pm

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In post 1455, fireisredsir wrote: yea i mean if you're town then i will be less confident in my ability to read you and ill also feel pretty bad for replacing in here and then getting you killed

and if you're town then sheep and aureal would probably be the first places im looking but id also be worried bc i would not really have a clue who the third would be
this post would be hilarious in hindsight if it's a 2 person scum team with sheep and aureal
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Post Post #1897 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:25 pm

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i lied again i got distracted looking at sheep

kinda thought going in that i was gonna scumread him more but im not as sure of that, some of the mid day 1 posting swayed me a bit. but i think if he is wolf he is just aiming for playing a super pure game where he is generally on the right side of things and is just kinda chilling to set up for endgame. which is a hard wolfgame to find. i think his posting today hasn't been as pure though, and some of the stuff surrounding skitter maybe

part of me does just want to sheep skitter on sheep idk. i wish she was still here. whos idea was it to kill her. not mine
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Post Post #1898 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:55 pm

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the team mafia large theme really was a super clean game from scum, kinda sad it was the only one i didn't follow at all as it was going
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Post Post #1899 (ISO) » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:05 pm

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hmm

was really feeling like dunn's scumgame in that was recognizable until i got to endgame where he flipped a switch and started playing more aggressively and confidently and it was v effective, i would have been fooled by it probably

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