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votecount 1.7

• Doctor Drew [2]:
  Ircher (119), imaginality (169)
  
  Merlyn [2]:
  Aliana (184), Doctor Drew (190)
  
  imaginality [1]:
  heipizhu4 (103)
  
  heipizhu4 [1]:
  biancospino (113)
  
  biancospino [1]:
  ceejayvinoya (165)
  
  Aliana [1]:
  JasonWazza (208)
  
  
  not voting [1]:
  Merlyn (133)
  
  it takes 5 votes to put someone in the box
  
  
  deadline:
  (expired on 2023-06-30 17:07:12)

Spoiler: votelog

Doctor Drew votes Aliana (3)
JasonWazza votes Doctor Drew (10)
imaginality votes Ircher (12)
Aliana votes Aliana (13)
Ircher votes imaginality (14)
Merlyn votes JasonWazza (23)
ceejayvinoya votes Merlyn (30)
JasonWazza votes Merlyn (60)
JasonWazza votes Ircher (60)
heipizhu4 unvotes (63)
Aliana votes no elimination (70)
biancospino votes Ircher (74)
Doctor Drew votes heipizhu4 (84)
JasonWazza votes heipizhu4 (86)
heipizhu4 votes heipizhu4(87)
heipizhu4 unvotes (87)
heipizhu4 votes biancospino (87)
heipizhu4 votes imaginality (103)
biancospino votes heipizhu4 (113)
Ircher votes Doctor Drew (119)
Merlyn votes heipizhu4 (123)
Merlyn unvotes (133)
ceejayvinoya votes biancospino (165)
imaginality votes Doctor Drew (169)
Aliana votes Merlyn (184)
Doctor Drew votes Merlyn (190)
JasonWazza votes Aliana (208)

joint moderator ISO

[Ircher]

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

It's a mix of this stuff here is the reason i thought that i'm concerned with Heip.

Scum would be more worried about sample PM's it feels like, because town at least have a PM that is usable for claiming and whatnot, it's the scum that would potentially be more concerned of not having a sample PM.

Then the "no idea how many scum there is" this seems really weird, especially followed slightly after with "we don't know if they exist" there is no reason to think that we would be in a game with no scum.

This all adds up to me thinking that this is Scum.

Do you still feel this way?

[heipizhu4]

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

It's a mix of this stuff here is the reason i thought that i'm concerned with Heip.

Scum would be more worried about sample PM's it feels like, because town at least have a PM that is usable for claiming and whatnot, it's the scum that would potentially be more concerned of not having a sample PM.

Then the "no idea how many scum there is" this seems really weird, especially followed slightly after with "we don't know if they exist" there is no reason to think that we would be in a game with no scum.

This all adds up to me thinking that this is Scum.

I don't like how you quote my 37. This is a post dumping all my observations on the GMs and rules, and it seems you are wrongly pushing me by only quoting part of my posts.

42 is a semi-joke where I'm making up a hypotheses that the true setup could be way more bastard than we imagine.

>Concerned of not having a sample pm
If I were a scum, why shouldn't ask the mod directly for the sample pm since the lack of sample pm is a moderation error?
And I believe we have got lot of information after the scum pm was revealed as mentioned in 96

[Ircher]

but I figured they were an alt

This can be esaily proven false. Check my account, and the only game I have played in is Newbie 2124 a month ago, where alt's are not allowed.

This has already come up, and Merlyn even realized they were wrong.

Are you trying to push an agenda or something....?

Why are you assigning motive here when there is probably none to assign? People tend to read chronologically.

[JasonWazza]

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

It's a mix of this stuff here is the reason i thought that i'm concerned with Heip.

Scum would be more worried about sample PM's it feels like, because town at least have a PM that is usable for claiming and whatnot, it's the scum that would potentially be more concerned of not having a sample PM.

Then the "no idea how many scum there is" this seems really weird, especially followed slightly after with "we don't know if they exist" there is no reason to think that we would be in a game with no scum.

This all adds up to me thinking that this is Scum.

Do you still feel this way?

It feels like a decent chance to be Newb-Scum in my opinion, especially given the later interactions with the slot.

[JasonWazza]

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

It's a mix of this stuff here is the reason i thought that i'm concerned with Heip.

Scum would be more worried about sample PM's it feels like, because town at least have a PM that is usable for claiming and whatnot, it's the scum that would potentially be more concerned of not having a sample PM.

Then the "no idea how many scum there is" this seems really weird, especially followed slightly after with "we don't know if they exist" there is no reason to think that we would be in a game with no scum.

This all adds up to me thinking that this is Scum.

I don't like how you quote my 37. This is a post dumping all my observations on the GMs and rules, and it seems you are wrongly pushing me by only quoting part of my posts.

42 is a semi-joke where I'm making up a hypotheses that the true setup could be way more bastard than we imagine.

>Concerned of not having a sample pm
If I were a scum, why shouldn't ask the mod directly for the sample pm since the lack of sample pm is a moderation error?
And I believe we have got lot of information after the scum pm was revealed as mentioned in 96

You don't have to like my reasoning, and how am i wrongly pushing you by explaining why i had first voted you over 100 posts later?

Regarding 96, i don't think that's actual information the rest of us really gained, you might have gained this information, being a newb to the site, but most of us from this site could assume this knowledge.

[heipizhu4]

but I figured they were an alt

This can be esaily proven false. Check my account, and the only game I have played in is Newbie 2124 a month ago, where alt's are not allowed.

This has already come up, and Merlyn even realized they were wrong.

Are you trying to push an agenda or something....?

Sorry, Merlyn and me missed each other's post lol. It's 8 am in my timezone and I was replying to posts one by one.

[heipizhu4]

and how am i wrongly pushing you by explaining why i had first voted you over 100 posts later?

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes. I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one. You seem to be underestimating the power of the information, or why the mod would say the reviewers would take a moral duty upon themselves to tell as many people as possible so that they do not sign up for the game?

[JasonWazza]

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes.

They aren't inaccurate quotes if i'm simply explaining why i started scum reading you, i'm not using them to build a scum case, i'm using them to explain my original vote.

I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one.

Why do you think me making those quotes is an accusation on you?

This seems overly defensive.

[Merlyn]

Well I could see in more or less real time how you react to being scum read when you are town, I know it isn't a huge thing, but does help me out.

That reaction wasn't to being scum-read to be clear, but i'd rather not dwell on that one any more then we have.

If you wanted to really see me Town in real time, it'd have to be in a hydra

you two are forbidden from making a hydra of that destructive power

[Merlyn]

This does really seem like 'lack of confidence in reads' from Allan that I have seen multiple times from them as town.

Hey, have you played with Alessia as scum before? I haven't yet, but I think she's talented, enough that her scumplay could look like her townplay.

This does really seem like 'lack of confidence in reads' from Allan that I have seen multiple times from them as town.

Yeah, that's town!me for you.
(also Allan? That might be the worst you've butchered it!)

Well okay, since you're vouching for yourself, question for you- what would scum!you do that's different?

[Merlyn]

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes.

They aren't inaccurate quotes if i'm simply explaining why i started scum reading you, i'm not using them to build a scum case, i'm using them to explain my original vote.

I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one.

Why do you think me making those quotes is an accusation on you?

This seems overly defensive.

Well, it's kind of dramatic to frame it as an accusation but essentially it's true though, right? You're accusing them of being scum though, right? You used the quotes to explain why you started scum reading them.

[Merlyn]

@Imaginality- I'm rereading your case on drew in 169, and what did you mean to link to when you said you liked the case for Drew in 146?

[Ircher]

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

It's a mix of this stuff here is the reason i thought that i'm concerned with Heip.

Scum would be more worried about sample PM's it feels like, because town at least have a PM that is usable for claiming and whatnot, it's the scum that would potentially be more concerned of not having a sample PM.

Then the "no idea how many scum there is" this seems really weird, especially followed slightly after with "we don't know if they exist" there is no reason to think that we would be in a game with no scum.

This all adds up to me thinking that this is Scum.

Do you still feel this way?

It feels like a decent chance to be Newb-Scum in my opinion, especially given the later interactions with the slot.

Most newer players behave this way regardless of alignment. I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

[JasonWazza]

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes.

They aren't inaccurate quotes if i'm simply explaining why i started scum reading you, i'm not using them to build a scum case, i'm using them to explain my original vote.

I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one.

Why do you think me making those quotes is an accusation on you?

This seems overly defensive.

Well, it's kind of dramatic to frame it as an accusation but essentially it's true though, right? You're accusing them of being scum though, right? You used the quotes to explain why you started scum reading them.

Merlyn, just a reminder that this was my reasoning for a vote on Page 4, when we were basically in RVS, i don't need a lot of reason to make a real vote, and i think what i quoted was reasoning enough.

Whether Heip likes the quotes or not is basically irrelevant to me, and frankly arguing that i'm misquoting them as scumplay is just dumb.

[Ircher]

and how am i wrongly pushing you by explaining why i had first voted you over 100 posts later?

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes. I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one. You seem to be underestimating the power of the information, or why the mod would say the reviewers would take a moral duty upon themselves to tell as many people as possible so that they do not sign up for the game?

I'm not sure I followed this 100%. Which inaccurate quotes are you referring to here?

[JasonWazza]

Most newer players behave this way regardless of alignment. I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Specifically what behavior are you defending?

[Doctor Drew]

This does really seem like 'lack of confidence in reads' from Allan that I have seen multiple times from them as town.

Hey, have you played with Alessia as scum before? I haven't yet, but I think she's talented, enough that her scumplay could look like her townplay.

It is true that I have only seen scumAltoona in a hydra so I don't really have their scum game down(but I should probably look at that game again to see something in there hat can help), but I always get a transparency from their town game that I feel would be hard to fake if scum. Not gonna hard defend her per se, just I don't see much that tells me she is scum here.

[Doctor Drew]

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

It's a mix of this stuff here is the reason i thought that i'm concerned with Heip.

Scum would be more worried about sample PM's it feels like, because town at least have a PM that is usable for claiming and whatnot, it's the scum that would potentially be more concerned of not having a sample PM.

Then the "no idea how many scum there is" this seems really weird, especially followed slightly after with "we don't know if they exist" there is no reason to think that we would be in a game with no scum.

This all adds up to me thinking that this is Scum.

Do you still feel this way?

It feels like a decent chance to be Newb-Scum in my opinion, especially given the later interactions with the slot.

Most newer players behave this way regardless of alignment. I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Ircher, you seem to be going out of your way to defend Heip against any real heat. Major or minor.

[Aliana]

This does really seem like 'lack of confidence in reads' from Allan that I have seen multiple times from them as town.

Hey, have you played with Alessia as scum before? I haven't yet, but I think she's talented, enough that her scumplay could look like her townplay.

This does really seem like 'lack of confidence in reads' from Allan that I have seen multiple times from them as town.

Yeah, that's town!me for you.
(also Allan? That might be the worst you've butchered it!)

Well okay, since you're vouching for yourself, question for you- what would scum!you do that's different?

I'd probably be more organized and less on the fence about my reads. It's easier to do that when I'm informed and have a scum agenda.
The thing about mimicking my townplay is that there are tendencies I can't help having as town that are either difficult (like the transparency) or suboptimal (like lacking confidence in my reads and feeling like I have no clue what I'm doing) to fake when playing to a scum wincon, at least to the degree that I sometimes do those things as town. If I were going to mimic my townplay, I'd probably be looking at the games where I got UTRed and died N1, where I didn't just look like town!me but also like town in general. Not doing whatever the heck I'm doing now lol.
It is hard to say though when I'm not actually in that position. Also depends on who my buddy is and how they want to play it.

[Aliana]

I like Ircher's posting this page and generally agree with their points. I especially liked 228 as I had the exact same thought there.

[Doctor Drew]

I like Ircher's posting this page and generally agree with their points. I especially liked 228 as I had the exact same thought there.

Is that one of the posts where Ircher comes to the aid of Heip for some unknown reason?

[biancospino]

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hep

Could you elaborate more on why you think his behavior here is suspicious enough for the vote?

VOTE: bianco

I see your consider to sail on the bianco+heip ship with Drew.
I would be interested if you have any thoughts on me being the only townlean of heip. Also Drew and Jason, while we're at it.

...

Shouldn't you be more concerned about why I voted you?

I don't even scumread heip yet and nothing on the posts you quoted indicates that I'm on board with the bianco+heip plan.

Do you believe heip to be town then?

Lol no, I should not. And, given that you've queried Drew on heip basically on the same breath that you've cast an unexplained vote on me, I got the subtext that you may have been allured by that one's Drew's proposed pairing.
As you say it's not so, you're welcome to explain you vote if you wish

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

I don't like how you quote my 37. This is a post dumping all my observations on the GMs and rules, and it seems you are wrongly pushing me by only quoting part of my posts.

Selective quoting is a pretty common practice (see, I'm even doing it while quoting your complaint, how meta), and isn't really a misquote at all; or an

inaccurate quote

for that matter. It's not like JW cherry picked pieces of your quote so that to change the meaning of the posted parts, the removed context is just extraneous to JW's point

Most newer players behave this way regardless of alignment. I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Ircher, you seem to be going out of your way to defend Heip against any real heat. Major or minor.

And here we go again, new pairing just dropped. Can't be that everyone that interacts with heip is heip's partner, y'know

[Aliana]

I like Ircher's posting this page and generally agree with their points. I especially liked 228 as I had the exact same thought there.

Is that one of the posts where Ircher comes to the aid of Heip for some unknown reason?

Regardless of Ircher's read on heip, I thought that was a good question to be asking because really, where was the agenda?

[Doctor Drew]

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hep

Could you elaborate more on why you think his behavior here is suspicious enough for the vote?

VOTE: bianco

I see your consider to sail on the bianco+heip ship with Drew.
I would be interested if you have any thoughts on me being the only townlean of heip. Also Drew and Jason, while we're at it.

...

Shouldn't you be more concerned about why I voted you?

I don't even scumread heip yet and nothing on the posts you quoted indicates that I'm on board with the bianco+heip plan.

Do you believe heip to be town then?

Lol no, I should not. And, given that you've queried Drew on heip basically on the same breath that you've cast an unexplained vote on me, I got the subtext that you may have been allured by that one's Drew's proposed pairing.
As you say it's not so, you're welcome to explain you vote if you wish

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

I don't like how you quote my 37. This is a post dumping all my observations on the GMs and rules, and it seems you are wrongly pushing me by only quoting part of my posts.

Selective quoting is a pretty common practice (see, I'm even doing it while quoting your complaint, how meta), and isn't really a misquote at all; or an

inaccurate quote

for that matter. It's not like JW cherry picked pieces of your quote so that to change the meaning of the posted parts, the removed context is just extraneous to JW's point

Most newer players behave this way regardless of alignment. I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Ircher, you seem to be going out of your way to defend Heip against any real heat. Major or minor.

And here we go again, new pairing just dropped. Can't be that everyone that interacts with heip is heip's partner, y'know

Point to where I said they could be partners please.

This discredit attempt is unlike you.....Io sono deluso.

I like Ircher's posting this page and generally agree with their points. I especially liked 228 as I had the exact same thought there.

Is that one of the posts where Ircher comes to the aid of Heip for some unknown reason?

Regardless of Ircher's read on heip, I thought that was a good question to be asking because really, where was the agenda?

Alaska, I don't believe I remember reading their read on Heip, nor did I comment on any read they had on Heip.

Heip even responded directly to me saying essentially they missed the post(Where I asked about a possible agenda), which is fine.

Ircher keeps going out of their way to WK Heip, and I am trying to figure out THAT motivation.