Mini Normal 2304: Conway's Game Of Life [GAME OVER!]

[Peregrine]

By around I mean that if I am correct the last mafia is probably trying very hard to not engage with current rhetoric or not active at all to do so!!!

[Peregrine]

I don’t think I could be convinced to vote Hu Tao or Drew today! They feel town to me even if some of their posting is weird sometimes!!

[humaneatingmonkey]

Then it's good we agree on Espe.
I will stay out for now until the three things I'm waiting for happen, or if someone wants to ask me anything.

[Random Nurse]

being scumread for being absent due to a nasty cold is generally a universally frustrating experience.

But... Now wait a minute.

That had nothing to do with his and mine exchanges at all.

I didn't Scumread him for having a cold—I didn't know he even had one. And I wasn't Scumreading him either: I didn't like that he ignored my posts directed towards him twice.

[Save The Dragons]

catching up now

[Save The Dragons]

i feel like town sheep is more present

I think this is factually incorrect

can you link a recent town game?

[Save The Dragons]

Save The Dragons - pings me a little

why

[Save The Dragons]

Dragon vote is odd, i can certainly see him not voting espe based on his read list but if he was to move his vote of drew i would of expected it to move to me first. He paints me and drew most likely to be scum yet he goes to one his neut reads.

my reads are in flux, sheep's gone down and you've gone up.

[Save The Dragons]

I really don't like Hu's catch up here.

Very defensive and discrediting.

i agree with this but i've seen town Hu Tao act this way so i'm a little wary of calling it scummy atm

[Save The Dragons]

regards to espe

i still think espe is town. i feel like 300 is exactly the half assed idgaf analysis you'd get from a pressured town, scum would try harder to look townie. i'd still like to see more from him but i have to go back to my original read of feeling liberated to say whatever, not calculated. i could be wrong about this but that's what i feel atm.

[Save The Dragons]

Bellaphant

Doctor Drew

Random Nurse

bob3141

Dunnstral

Peregrine

Espeonage

Quiet Owl

Not_Mafia

sheepsaysmeep

Hu Tao

humaneatingmonkey

is where i'm currently at i think?

[bob3141]

im reading the game again

I don't think that quiet owl's aggro-ness comes from scum, same for random nurse. i think it's likely tvt to get scrappy this early.

espeonage's accusation that hem is lining up lims is a little weird, i think that's extremely misinterpreting what hem said, but againt that could be town.

this game is moving pretty fast. i feel like a couple people have said a bit of nothing these first few pages, but that includes me since i was away.

this is up to page 3

page 4: 83 is kind of weird and i like sheep for calling it out. i don't know yet if i'm satisfied with the explanations in 85. especially regarding bella, and the high equity one of esp/hu is scum. disagree with sheep who seems okay with them.

i kind of like espeonage in page 4 and 5. this is more of a gut read but it feels like they're town, even if i don't agree that calling out two names == setting up elims.

not a fan of bob's posts

6 onward i like dunnstral so far this game

i think i'm here, dark green being the towniest

Bellaphant

Doctor Drew

Random Nurse

bob3141

Dunnstral

Peregrine

Espeonage

Quiet Owl

Not_Mafia

sheepsaysmeep

Hu Tao

humaneatingmonkey

VOTE: Dr. Drew for now

Dragon vote is odd, i can certainly see him not voting espe based on his read list but if he was to move his vote of drew i would of expected it to move to me first. He paints me and drew most likely to be scum yet he goes to one his neut reads.

my reads are in flux, sheep's gone down and you've gone up.

Bellaphant

Doctor Drew

Random Nurse

bob3141

Dunnstral

Peregrine

Espeonage

Quiet Owl

Not_Mafia

sheepsaysmeep

Hu Tao

humaneatingmonkey

is where i'm currently at i think?

Can you explain for each of the reads changed between your 2 read lists?

As your catch up largely revolves around your town read on Espe

[sheepsaysmeep]

i feel like town sheep is more present

I think this is factually incorrect

can you link a recent town game?

wouldnt a mafia game where I was very present be what ur looking for here lol

viewtopic.php?t=91038 - last game we played together, town, I think I was very apathetic
viewtopic.php?t=91019 - town, apathetic

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ur-Power-1 - mafia game, completely different site context, but I was in the top couple posters each day

I just think it's weird to suggest that my uninvolvement is alignment-related for me. I just find this game deeply unappetizing

[sheepsaysmeep]

Save The Dragons - pings me a little

why

idk, some of it is minor meta things I guess

you remind me much more of you in that mini normal as wolf vs you when ive you seen you as villa

[sheepsaysmeep]

I would like you to talk more about my slot and explain your stance further

[bob3141]

hu and bob seems like town vs town. having looked closely at their interactions, drew's behaviour looks even weirder. a really really awkward pocketing attempt maybe?

Also why the vote on Hy Tao when as far as i can tell the only really prior stance on him is this one. going from hu looking liek town to a vote.

On the back of dunns vote on Hu Tao. Looks very opportunistic and with little progression.

VOTE: Owl

"opportunistic" opportunistic would be going after espeon at this point.
i would like to be able to sort hu's slot confidently, prior to voting i was giving them a weak townread, but their catty behaviour since isn't alignment indicative and just makes me dislike them as a person.

hu, please reconsider your approach to the game?

So what made you decide as you say to choose Hu Toa to try and sort with Vote? Why did you pick him over any other players

What is your read on Dragon as i see in your ISO you have not mention him once?

[sheepsaysmeep]

tbh the two readlists being so different is probably towny lmfao

[bob3141]

Not_mafia have you got any reads

[Doctor Drew]

Bob, people's read do change, feels like you are just trying to give Dragons some busy work.

[humaneatingmonkey]

StD, I would also like to see the busy work.

[Save The Dragons]

i feel like town sheep is more present

I think this is factually incorrect

can you link a recent town game?

wouldnt a mafia game where I was very present be what ur looking for here lol

viewtopic.php?t=91038 - last game we played together, town, I think I was very apathetic
viewtopic.php?t=91019 - town, apathetic

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ur-Power-1 - mafia game, completely different site context, but I was in the top couple posters each day

I just think it's weird to suggest that my uninvolvement is alignment-related for me. I just find this game deeply unappetizing

it's not necessarily whether you're apathetic or not, it's more of a vibe where i expect you to do more. i dunno it's possible uninvolvement isn't alignment indicative. i just felt like you made some nothing posts and i guess i'm trying to see where it comes from.

i didn't really pay much attention to the game we just played together but i wanted town games to compare your town to this, i remember some of your recent scum games we've played together in.

let me think about it some, it doesn't seem like anyone else agrees so i'm gonna UNVOTE: for now.

[Save The Dragons]

Bellaphant

Doctor Drew

Random Nurse

bob3141

Dunnstral

Peregrine

Espeonage

Quiet Owl

Not_Mafia

sheepsaysmeep

Hu Tao

humaneatingmonkey

Bellaphant

Doctor Drew

Random Nurse

bob3141

Dunnstral

Peregrine

Espeonage

Quiet Owl

Not_Mafia

sheepsaysmeep

Hu Tao

humaneatingmonkey

Bellaphant - no change. nothing to really go off of.

Dr Drew - went from scum to lean scum. I guess it's just a vibe i was fooled by Dr. Drew in Boons ahoy and i want to be wary of the slot so i'm leaning scum more than i normally would but it's not really predicated on anything other than i'd like to see more from him.

Random Nurse - no change. just seems townie i've liked their pushes they're hunting.

bob3141 - went from scum to null. I'm a little worried about their seeming obsession with me and would like more from them on other slots. i think my scumread was preliminary and some posts pinged me a certain way but i don't remember exactly what so i'm comfortable putting bob in the null area

Dunnstral - went from town to null. my townread was premature. i think dunnstral being engaged is something that could be town indicative but dunnstral's kind of fell off so i don't really know.

Peregrine - went from null to lean town. I think this one is entirely a vibe thing, peregrine barely posted when i made the initial list (I think) and so i put them as null. seeing their posts since then makes me not want to strike there.

Espeonage - I've already discussed.

Quiet Owl - changed from lean town to lean scum. i don't remember exactly why i town read them. their recent posting has not been great. too defensive, too little.

Not_Mafia - no change, i think i can sometimes read not mafia but i'm not there yet.

sheepsaysmeep - went from null to scum. i've gone in depth on this.

hu tao - null to lean town. Went from little posts to more posts. i'm not sold but i'm feeling okay with hu tao, seems a lot like how they behaved in the past two games i played with them where they were town.

humaneatingmonkey - null to lean town. i guess i wasn't really sure where i felt in the first list but by the second list i felt more comfortable with the slot, i believe that hem believes in their conviction. i think they're wrong about espe but i believe they are uninformed towards espe's alignment.

[Espeonage]

I don't appreciate your defensiveness. Your recent posts come off as frustrated, short, and lashing out.

You weren't like this earlier.

And I thought I was hiding it so well.

[Espeonage]

The vibes in this thread are gnarly in a bad way!!

I will catch up tonight or tomorrow (it shouldn’t take long!) but as a sneak peek I see Espeonage as mafia still, and they are coming across poorly in their interaction with HEM!

I’m unsure if it is personality or not at this point, if I am honest but Espe keeps choosing to take the worst faith interpretations and assumptions!

I take umbrage with this because I feel like I am giving back what I am getting from the thread. I think why I am so frustrated by this game right now is that there is so much rhetoric for the sake of posting, and it is so stagnating.

So I don't think I am taking worst faith, I am taking logical subtext. Like contrast the iso of someone like sheep vs someone like monkey and tell me with a straight face that you think monkey isnt being obtuse on purpose.

[Espeonage]

Slight watch on std, probably some amount of paranoia, but the very obvious "I'm townreading espe" without any meat behind it to create a competing wagon is nice scumtactic to get cred if I do get elimmed today.

Not a scumread, but defs wariness from me.