Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Flavor Leaf]

Sheep

/

Skygazer

/Chandra/

Klick

/Flavor Leaf are in my town bin here

Pretty good reads overall. Might be scum indicative, but I'm in the pocket if so. I've liked most of what Meuh said this game bar thinking they were scum for like 2 seconds before moving onto Black.

Note to self; might be in pocket.

[Meuh]

What are the benefits of fighting Giratina? Like what do we get if we win? Night Skip?

I’m probably going to get KO’d if I fight Giratina, tbh.

Night skip and mafia lose the day ability

[Meuh]

Don't think I can do much to Giratina but I don't see a reason for me not to fight it so I will

[Flavor Leaf]

Sheep/Skygazer/Chandra/Klick/Flavor Leaf are in my town bin here

SquirtleSquad too actually

I’ll vote anyone not there

If Klick is town, Meuh might have the best reads in the game right now.

Oh, I said something about it back then too.

I'm looking for that VCA that was done earlier. I cant seem to find it. I dont rememebr who it was that was doing it with me, but I thought it was Meuh before, but wasnt in their ISO.

[Flavor Leaf]

@FL define main wagon.

I like WhemeStar pushing here. A less active slot doesn't open on LLD here.

Yesterday, there was about 5 wagons that we needed consolidation on somewhere, and it was a bunch of dueling wagons.

Pink Ball, Rathe, Black, Mueh, and Cakez.

I think all 5 of those had pushes from multiple people on them, and were going back and forth with dueling.

That group 100% has scum in them. I was town reading/lean towning on Rathe, Mueh, and Cakez, leaving me with Pink Ball/Black, aka my 2 main scum reads. This is a big reason that LLD and Black started to come after me. They started heavy discrediting after I had called the two of them scum, that lead into the personal toxic attack speech of mine.

These were the dueling wagons from Day 1. 4 of 5 are still unflipped.

[Meuh]

I mean I'll take the compliment but I also think all of those players were/are pretty obviously town here tbh. It's more that most people decided to randomly have a paranoid scumread on at least one of them at some point and I never did!

[ItalianoVD]

Wow, happy to be alive. I had already townlocked the slot that battled me last night so I’m not mad at that person at all. Actually makes me townread them more. I guess I’ll let them reveal whatever they wanna reveal if they wanna reveal it.

I do gotta say that me not being dead though at least fmpov incriminates those who have been pushing to get this slot limmed since Day 1. So either the vig finally saw my townieness before/after the Mala flip, seen the slot’s townieness from the start or scum have been pushing this slot all game. Or all three.

[ItalianoVD]

Wanna clarify. By saying “How am I not dead” I mean I figured at least one of the players “scumreading” me was the vig and would’ve shot me at least one of these nights, especially night 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

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V OTECOUNT 1.28
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Rathe (10)	Titus, SquirtleSquad, Doctor Drew , Chandra Nalaar, Sheepsaysmeep , Save the Dragons, Meuh , Firebringer , SirCakez , Pink Ball
Black (3)	Metens, Not_Mafia, Enchant
Pink Ball (2)	WhemeStar, KittyTacky
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Rathe
SirCakez (1)	NorwegianboyEE
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Magical Girl (1)	Black
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Klickl, Skygazer
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Magical Girl is V/LA until Monday

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V OTECOUNT 1.42
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Magical Girl (12)	Lady Lambdadelta , Enchant, Firebringer , NorwegianboyEE, Skygazer, Metens, KittyTacky, Doctor Drew , SirCakez , Meuh , Sheepsaysmeep , Black
Black (4)	Rathe, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, Klick
Meuh (3)	Ranger, Save the Dragons, Chandra Nalaar
Metens (1)	WhemeStar
Lady Lambdadelta (1)	SquirtleSquad
SirCakez (1)	Titus
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF.

(Orange is who was on both wagons)
Looking at the Rathe wagon at its apex and the Magical Girl wagon at hammer, I'm thinking Rathe is probably town with like 2 scum in the orange pile?
If Rathe is scum then partners are in the Norwee-Kitty string of votes but Metens is the only one there I'm not townreading. Those middle of the pack voters would be the one who'd give the Magical Girl wagon the legitimacy that the Rathe one didn't end up having
I also think the Black wagon composition is quite good which makes me not hate a Black lim today

okay, it was Meuh. Paranoia easing.

[Flavor Leaf]

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V OTECOUNT 1.28
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Rathe (10)	Titus, SquirtleSquad, Doctor Drew , Chandra Nalaar, Sheepsaysmeep , Save the Dragons, Meuh , Firebringer , SirCakez , Pink Ball
Black (3)	Metens, Not_Mafia, Enchant
Pink Ball (2)	WhemeStar, KittyTacky
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Rathe
SirCakez (1)	NorwegianboyEE
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Magical Girl (1)	Black
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Klickl, Skygazer
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Magical Girl is V/LA until Monday

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V OTECOUNT 1.42
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Magical Girl (12)	Lady Lambdadelta , Enchant, Firebringer , NorwegianboyEE, Skygazer, Metens, KittyTacky, Doctor Drew , SirCakez , Meuh , Sheepsaysmeep , Black
Black (4)	Rathe, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, Klick
Meuh (3)	Ranger, Save the Dragons, Chandra Nalaar
Metens (1)	WhemeStar
Lady Lambdadelta (1)	SquirtleSquad
SirCakez (1)	Titus
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF.

(Orange is who was on both wagons)
Looking at the Rathe wagon at its apex and the Magical Girl wagon at hammer, I'm thinking Rathe is probably town with like 2 scum in the orange pile?
If Rathe is scum then partners are in the Norwee-Kitty string of votes but Metens is the only one there I'm not townreading. Those middle of the pack voters would be the one who'd give the Magical Girl wagon the legitimacy that the Rathe one didn't end up having
I also think the Black wagon composition is quite good which makes me not hate a Black lim today

okay, it was Meuh. Paranoia easing.

However, this implies one of SirCakez, Meuh, or Firebringer is scum, which are 3 of my 4 strongest town reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

My gut says not to worry about that right now, and to not trust the VCA there.

[ItalianoVD]

My gut says not to worry about that right now, and to not trust the VCA there.

VCA is like stats and numbers in sports. It doesn’t lie, but it doesn’t tell the whole story.

[Flavor Leaf]

Italiano (10)

Titus, Merlyn,

Doctor Drew

,

Chandra Nalaar

,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Save the Dragons,

Meuh

,

Firebringer

,

SirCakez

,

LLD

Magical Girl (12)

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Bianco

,

Firebringer

,

Yimmy, Shirou, Malakittens, DrippingGoofBall,

Doctor Drew

,

SirCakez

,

Meuh

,

Mathblade

,

Black

On top of the Orange ones probably having scum, the Blue Differences could each contain scum, tbh. I'd be surprised if the Blue doesn't have scum in them.

[ItalianoVD]

I’m gonna break the game open now.

First off I wanna say that either you “townies” are rusty as heck or scum have been driving this game by allowing us to eat ourselves. Maybe a bit of both.

I wanna lay down my townreads first because these are the people I plan on working with to solve this game, because the rest of you have failed.

This was one of the things I said I was gonna post last day phase, but didn’t realize how much time and effort it was gonna take (which was a lot) and then when I finally was finished (took me two days) I came into post it and saw that Mala had already been hammered and the thread locked.
Anyway.

[Flavor Leaf]

Italiano (10)

Titus

,

Merlyn

,

Doctor Drew

,

Chandra Nalaar

,

Mathblade

,

Save the Dragons

,

Meuh, Firebringer, SirCakez

,

LLD

Magical Girl

(12)

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Bianco

,

Firebringer

,

Yimmy

,

Shirou

,

Malakittens

,

DrippingGoofBall

,

Doctor Drew

,

SirCakez, Meuh

,

Mathblade

,

Black

Green flipped town. Pink are people who were on Italiano slot but not Magical Girl slot Day 1, Orange were people who were on both.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't think I can do much to Giratina but I don't see a reason for me not to fight it so I will

I’m in the same boat. I have high Evasion, but other than that, that’s it.

[ItalianoVD]

Black

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699 and 702 - This is a town mindset. I really don't think scum highlight this because it's kinda basic and can be seen as scum trying to find anything to push, which could bring heat to them. I don't think Black cared about what potential heat came their way. I believe they really believed this angle.

707 - This post gives more insight into what is going on in Black's head at the moment of 699 and 702, which is congruent with the initial thought. 723 then goes further into why Black wanted to push this angle, which again is from a town mindset. Scum even pushing their partner is gonna come up with something better than this let alone doing it on a townie.

I gotta be honest, before I was gonna replace into this slot, I thought Blue was scum because of 726, because Black was town pinging me pretty hard at this point and her response in 727, which didn't feel like scum omgusing or crumbling under pressure, solidified my read there. As I said in

I do want to explain this though. This was me being the unorthodox player that I am. I was trying to see if people would come to Black's defense or pile up on her, but all that really happened was people defended Squirtle. 5036 from Sheep, 5037 from Norwee, 5043 and 5044 from Chandra, and Firebringer in 5045. I don't wanna divert from the Black townread, but Black even again responded to me in a townie way. Sorry I used you like that Black. I tell people there is always a method to my madness.

patchwork

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355 and then later with 360 made patchwork my biggest and strongest townread at that point in my readup. The only way patchwork highlights a scumgame to a townie who was pocketed is if 1) they are scum partners or 2) she is the towniest player this game has ever seen. But no.1 is just stupid because if they were partners there would be no need to even say this, they'd say it in the mafia pt. Patchwork is town here regardless of Kitty's alignment. Once I read that from patchwork, there was no need to read anything else. Even her talking to herself was the cutest thing I've ever seen. That was it for my read here.

Meuh

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Meuh's townread was and still is heavily inspired by patchwork. But Meuh has had her own set of townie posts as I mentioned before. 2322 is a Meuh post of the towniest variety. I lol'd because I felt it. I also liked 3108. Sheep was all "hahaha", Meuh was like "nah bruh, what you mean." And 3532 is another post that feels like town!Meuh, not to mention the jumping on/off of wagons, yeah.

Invisibility

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This slot is another townread of mine and anything or anyone that comes in it get townread. I like 737 from Invisibility because someone could say "hey Invis is jumping on Black's weak case, she must be scum", but the fact she does it unapologetically makes her town for me. I also like 893 because if her jumping onto Black's case was true as scum, then so would her completely agreeing with Black's assessment of Blue at the time. She disagrees in a way that is townie. Since that time Enchant and biancospino have occupied the slot and I've gotten town vibes from them both.

Mala

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I'm not reneging on my Mala townread in the slightest, but honestly Mala is a hard read. I mean she pulls the heart strings as both alignments. She lurks as both alignments, she both cares and doesn't care as both alignments. For all Math knows she is town and for all I know she is scum. I tend to just townread Mala all the time. Interestingly enough I haven't been wrong yet when I townread her. I have been wrong when I've scumread her.

These are my srongest townreads. The rest of my townreads with ranging degrees of townieness round out with Flavor Leaf, Titus, Wheme, Shirou, Cakez, Firebringer.

This leaves seven players where I legitimately believe the scum are:

Save the Dragons, Math, DGB/Kitty, Squirtle/Merlyn, Yimmy, Chandra, Not_Mafia

[Flavor Leaf]

uhhh....3 of your town reads arent in this game anymore.

[Flavor Leaf]

I missed your last post about wanting to post it last day phase, but yeah. Patchwork/Black same slot too.

[biancospino]

Math is dead

Also was not scum

[ItalianoVD]

Why do I townread Firebringer now?

So I did a deep dive into Firebringer's games and my head started to hurt because there is no difference in how he posts/plays as either alignment, but I did notice he does try to solve more and it makes more sense when he is town as opposed to when he is scum. Probably if I had the time or desire to really deep dive more I could find more of the nuances, but not now, probably never.

Anyway, I believe it's more of the town variety this game. Of course this is a weak townlean but a townlean nonetheless.

[Flavor Leaf]

Personal reads aside, I want to pool based on VCA, and see how I feel after that.

Firebringer/Meuh/SirCakez = ~1 scum

Titus/Merlyn/Chandra/STD = ~1 scum

Bianco/Yimmy/DGB/Black = ~1 scum


Depending on how many other scum there are, probably add 1 away from those wagons or double up on one of those.

____

Black/Italiano is probably not T/T based on Day 1 Black Wagon.

[ItalianoVD]

uhhh....3 of your town reads arent in this game anymore.

Yeah these are old pre-flip posts. If you take out the updates then yeah.

[ItalianoVD]

Math is dead

Also was not scum

Yeah. One down.

[biancospino]

If nobody is claiming to have battled math, I'm assuming it was scum who did.

And if so, Italiano non realizing math was dead probably means he's not mafia? I very much don't like the slot and I tried my earnest to kill him this dawn, but I also don't think anyone fakes that dumbtell ever