Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Rautherdir]

... Assuming scum even have daytalk to begin with. I realize they might not, the rules don't seem to specify? Actually even the sample scum PM doesn't say. Hmm.

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If we end up with a confirmed scum player through some mechanism, tossing encryptor onto them before they die would be hilarious if scum have daychat.

[Rautherdir]

Actually either way I'd be fine with doing it. The outcomes are either taking away scum's daychat, doing nothing if they already have an encryptor, or giving them daychat for a day just to take it away.

[Korina]

VC 1.5

WhemeStar (3):

Aureal, Titus, usesPython

usesPython (1):

camelCasedSnivy

Aureal (1):

Abnegation

DragonEater70 (1):

Ranger

camelCasedSnivy (1):

biancospino

Doctor Drew (1):

Merlyn

Abnegation (1):

Doctor Drew

biancospino (1):

DragonEater70

Save the Dragons (0):

Ranger (0):

Radical Rat (0):

Enchant (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus (0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Rauthedir (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri (0):

Merlyn (0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Not Voting (9):

Radical Rat, Enchant, Morning Tweet, Flea the Magician, Save the Dragons, WhemeStar, Rauthedir, Kyoko Kirigiri, sheepsaysmeep

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-07-15 11:00:00)

Moderator Notes:

- Flea The Magician, Enchant, and Morning Tweet have (expired on 2023-07-02 23:00:00) to confirm or be replaced.
- Titus is V/LA from July 6th, 2023 till July 7th, 2023.

- This is an awful place for a VC... too bad!

Nightmare

Radical Rat's proposal: [Literally Everyone] (4):

Radical Rat, Merlyn, Abnegation, Rautherdir

usesPython's proposal: [usesPython, Doctor Drew, Aureal, Enchant, Merlyn] (2):

usesPython, camelCasedSnivy

DragonEater70's proposal: [DragonEater70, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, Titus] (1):

DragonEater70

biancospino's proposal: [biancospino, usesPython, camelCasedSnivy, Doctor Drew, Abnegation] (1):

biancospino

Ranger's proposal: [ Ranger, usesPython, Doctor Drew, Save The Dragons, Abnegation, Aureal, Merlyn, camelCasedSnivy, Titus, biancospino] (1):

Ranger

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.
Nobody is confirmed to run the Nightmare.

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Pronoun Key

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Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

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[camelCasedSnivy]

Actually either way I'd be fine with doing it. The outcomes are either taking away scum's daychat, doing nothing if they already have an encryptor, or giving them daychat for a day just to take it away.

Isn't mafia daytalk standard unless otherwise specified? I don't think the mod would use an encryptor in the first place so it might work.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Hello everyone,

Posting this to say hello, but I'll really start playing this evening.

[Rautherdir]

Actually either way I'd be fine with doing it. The outcomes are either taking away scum's daychat, doing nothing if they already have an encryptor, or giving them daychat for a day just to take it away.

Isn't mafia daytalk standard unless otherwise specified? I don't think the mod would use an encryptor in the first place so it might work.

Outside of Normal yeah I think it is standard. In Normal... it actually must be announced beforehand if Mafia would have daytalk without an encryptor.

[Abnegation]

hmm. i'm going to say suggesting an encryptor like that leans town. that sounds like the kind of, uhh,

nightmare

, that i wouldn't want to inflict on myself. idk, maybe some of y'all are fine without daytalk. i wouldn't be lol.

[Rautherdir]

hmm. i'm going to say suggesting an encryptor like that leans town. that sounds like the kind of, uhh,

nightmare

, that i wouldn't want to inflict on myself. idk, maybe some of y'all are fine without daytalk. i wouldn't be lol.

I mean either that or I know some reason why it wouldn't work.

But yes I might be feeling slightly evil. It's admittedly a... win-more sort of deal where we have to actually confirm a scum player as such before it's useful, but.

We have ways of confirming people as town or not

Loyal fruit vendor I'm starting to realize a few flaws with that make it not as good as I initially hoped, so. Hmm. I will continue pondering how best to use the powers of Nightmare. (Admittedly I find it much more appetizing then participating in RVS.)

[biancospino]

I dont think it would work at all. If scum have no inherent daytalk, then obviously giving out encryptors does exactly nothing or in fact possibly help them for a dayphase. If scum

do

have inherent daytalk, then they wouldn't cease to have it just because an encryptor died

You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day

This has no effect whatsoever on death, like e.g. Enablers have, and so I really don't see how it would overwrite inherent daytalk

[biancospino]

A disloyal Vengeful invention may be interesting

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[Morning Tweet]

I am Not a cult leader this time around

[Radical Rat]

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Post restriction?

[Rautherdir]

I dont think it would work at all. If scum have no inherent daytalk, then obviously giving out encryptors does exactly nothing or in fact possibly help them for a dayphase. If scum

do

have inherent daytalk, then they wouldn't cease to have it just because an encryptor died

You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day

This has no effect whatsoever on death, like e.g. Enablers have, and so I really don't see how it would overwrite inherent daytalk

This... oh huh. I didn't realize that. Welp. So much for that then. I was thinking about potential uses for enabler and realized encryptor is

basically

the same thing but much easier to apply to specifically scum.

[Radical Rat]

Nevermind, don't know why I didn't get a P-edit

[usesPython]

HEAL: prior proposal
HURT: everyone

I think handing out a Cult Leader Enabler to someone scummy n1 and limming them d2 is probably the optimal play and for that everyone needs to know who the Enabler is. There's likely Cult due to Cult rules being in the setup specific rules so stopping that'd be pretty good. After that just handing out IC inventions to turn the game nightless is probably best

Fair enough, handing out an Innocent Child invention which

As an unmodified passive ability: The moderator will confirm your alignment.

with the Normal Invention is better than a Vig shot though

It'd be best to clarify with the moderator if the role would function as advertised and only work if the player using it is town.

We don't want to operate under any false pretense of scum being unconfirmable only for the mod to announce the scum player as a town IC.

From the first iteration, I

believe

the IC should work as town-only. It's best to confirm 100% though.

That's not how IC works actually, IC mod confirms your alignment regardless of your alignment (so a scum IC is mod confirmed to be scum)

As an unmodified passive ability: The moderator will confirm your alignment.

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HEAL: prior proposal

HURT: Ranger, usesPython, Doctor Drew, Save The Dragons, Abnegation, Aureal, Merlyn, camelCasedSnivy, Titus, biancospino

Once we have a dedicated town core then I believe trying to only put the town core into the Nightmare would be the best choice.
But we don't have a dedicated town core yet.

And hear me out, but there's going to be something keeping us from just using the vig invention from the nightmare as a second elimination. Scum having a doctor or such, rendering it unusable in that case if scum are in the nightmare. (If perhaps semi-confirming the targeted player to be scum.)

Giving people IC sounds like a good proposal since even scum that knows about it can't fake that... unless it's ruled that in this game Normal ICs are only confirmed at game start as opposed to confirm on request as both of those variations are Normal-valid. In which case it's then useless. Let me do a look over the other bits and see what I can figure out though...

So with that in mind

@Korina

: If there are multiple variations of a role that are normal valid, would we be able to choose which variation to give as an invention? And if not, which variation of IC would be given to a player if it is picked as an invention?

Having said all of that though.
HURT: Abnegation
Right now I think having everyone in the nightmare and just... a plan where it doesn't help scum to know what will happen from the nightmare is best.

If ICs are confirmed at the start of the game then an Activated IC invention would still work and would be even stronger

[Radical Rat]

Loyal Fruit Vendor is only really better than an IC assuming that there are no blocking/interfering roles, which... would be very odd in role madness I think?

[Rautherdir]

Not sure we can specify activation conditions. That'll probably get answered by the question I asked Korina though as it'd be a variation of the modifier.

[Radical Rat]

Cult Leader Enabler is interesting, but I don't think it works unless we know the name of the cult leader role?

[Radical Rat]

Wait if we can specify a modifier too...

Bulletproof IC, easy game

[Rautherdir]

Loyal Fruit Vendor is only really better than an IC assuming that there are no blocking/interfering roles, which... would be very odd in role madness I think?

Yeahhh I was thinking we could pair up roles and get effectively parity cop results but. Yeah, blocking/interference can happen.

[Rautherdir]

Cult Leader Enabler is interesting, but I don't think it works unless we know the name of the cult leader role?

Kind of depends on if we can even specify variations of roles or not outside of adding modifiers.

[usesPython]

Loyal Fruit Vendor is only really better than an IC assuming that there are no blocking/interfering roles, which... would be very odd in role madness I think?

It'd be very odd to not have any Roleblocker/Ascetic/Rolestopper/Alien/Commuter/etc.

Wait if we can specify a modifier too...

Bulletproof IC, easy game

Bulletproof is considered a Modifier on the Normal page and a Passive Role on the Bulletproof page so best to get a ruling on that

[Radical Rat]

It says in accordance with Normal guidelines, so I'd say Normal page counts

[Radical Rat]

Definitely good to double check though

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