Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Radical Rat]

IC can be an action, and that version is explicitly Normal

[Rautherdir]

True. Which actually answers my previous question about it.

[Rautherdir]

Oh and. I just realized.

Loyal fruit vendor is actually slightly weaker then just... the friendly neighbor power.

I am a silly. I will keep investigating though. I think either friendly neighbor, vig, or using the invention to give people IC would be best right now though.

[usesPython]

Weird Dreams Mafia is a conspiracy by Implosion to make Normal-legal bastard roles so they get patched in the next set of Normal rules

[biancospino]

IC can be an action, and that version is explicitly Normal

It is, but I'm not entirely sure if it must be called "activated IC" for it to work that way. Which begs the question if "activated [passive]" is always legal to be chosen as the "action" portion of the invention

[Radical Rat]

According to the IC wiki page, under the Normal section, that's how it's commonly used, so I don't think it needs to be called anything special

[biancospino]

Oh and. I just realized.

Loyal fruit vendor is actually slightly weaker then just... the friendly neighbor power.

I am a silly. I will keep investigating though. I think either friendly neighbor, vig, or using the invention to give people IC would be best right now though.

I'd argue that loyal Neighborizer is likely much stronger than loyal FV. But probably not stronger than just IC anyway

[usesPython]

JOAT is a modular role so would a JOAT (IC, Fruit Vendor) be legal?

[Radical Rat]

JOAT is a modular role so would a JOAT (IC, Fruit Vendor) be legal?

I would guess not, since it says we grant "one action"

[usesPython]

JOAT is a modular role so would a JOAT (IC, Fruit Vendor) be legal?

I would guess not, since it says we grant "one action"

I'd see it as 1-shot JOAT giving you 1-shot of the JOAT action (so JOAT (IC, Fruit Vendor) can either IC and lose the Fruit Vending or Fruit Vend and lose the IC)

[biancospino]

I think it can possibly be legal, but how is it an improvement over IC?

[biancospino]

I mean, I know it's technically strictly better, but in reality seems like an excessive overcomplication

[DragonEater70]

For D1 at least, is there any reason the nightmare SHOULDN'T include everyone?

HURT: All of the above (Korina please don't make me type it all out

Reposting since everyone seems to have ignored it

I mainly didn't understand what you meant by this post. Are you nominating the entire playerlist? Or only people who posted? Or?

[usesPython]

I mainly didn't understand what you meant by this post. Are you nominating the entire playerlist? Or only people who posted? Or?

Entire playerlist

[Rautherdir]

Yeah. And I mean. We could even make it compulsive IC actually.

[DragonEater70]

sheepsaysmeep

Um, would you like to contribute more to the game? Like, an opinion or a vote or something?

[usesPython]

Yeah. And I mean. We could even make it compulsive IC actually.

Strictly worse than Activated IC since Cult cant recruit them until they use the IC and scum will still nightkill them. Just force the person to IC or get limmed

[sheepsaysmeep]

[usesPython]

Like yeah we got your compulsive IC right here, it's called VOTE:

[sheepsaysmeep]

sheepsaysmeep

Um, would you like to contribute more to the game? Like, an opinion or a vote or something?

VOTE: DragonEater70

[Rautherdir]

This is fair. Ack. I am not contributing nearly as much as i intended to.

[Rautherdir]

BP doctor or such might be conditionally useful once we have more of a town block.

[sheepsaysmeep]

imagine having not contributed nearly as much as you intended to

[Rautherdir]

Also I'm seeing things like Macho and Strongman in the normal roles category of the wiki so. I'm just gonna toss my hands in the air for that.

[DragonEater70]

Also is it really best to hurt everyone?

I only like hurting those I love.

My thinking is that in an ideal world we would have all Town and no scum in the nightmare, but since D1 reads are... not usually great... This way we can at least guarantee all of the Town gets in, AND we have more meaningful content to form reads going into D2.

Ok, I get that.

I want more people who were in the first game, and smarter to the mech side of things than me, to offer their opinion though.

I forget Rat, were you in the first game?

They were Botanical Rat together with Bianco, IIRC.

As a player of last game I can say that my gut instinct likes the idea of giving the 5-7 towniest people a PT to plan things without scum's knowledge (I mean last time we got 6 town and 1 third party in it, and it had a very town-favorable outcome), BUT usesPython has found a way to break the invention thingy so that it acts as a a global pseudo-cop (by gifting IC), and I don't see any way scum can play around it by being in the PT (except if they kill the IC target but then hopefully it's the scummiest player anyway, and then the scum nightkill becomes a town-controlled vigshot which ia nice).

So overall I can support either having 7 towniest or everyone being in it.