Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[camelCasedSnivy]

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VOTE: Rauth

[Morning Tweet]

Lurking out cuz wasnt prepared mentally to read another large game HAD I ROLLED SK again maybe I am not hurt by the "mid takes" comments I already forgot them don't worry. The way im being read and described by dragon/sheep here feels right

Katy, why'd you put me in the Nightmare of all people?

[Rautherdir]

Everything except Inquiry, Vig, Housing, and Tree Stumps uses the award terminology.

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Rauth and Rat

.... wow is me playing to my town meta in Conception really going to screw me over twice?

But really there isn't much I can do to defend myself against the original argument for why I'm scum even if I wanted to.
I'm being scum read for having bad takes and not clarifying my assumptions with every mech post I make. All I can do now is try and look at everyone else and get reads... which early on I'm terrible at.

For what it's worth I think there's a chance at least one scum is pushing me, I'm just trying to figure out why. DragonEater I don't think is that though, and I like a lot of what else they're posting. Drew I'm going to agree with Ranger on and keep them as town... Python and Radical Rat I think were decent enough though the latter should probably be resolved one way or another at some point due to their claim. THOUGH. I believe we can actually do that without flipping them... by using Inquiry to ask if Radical Rat would investigate as an alignment they are not. (Doesn't actually confirm alignment on it's own since both scum and town can have roles that can do this.) That leaves... Aureal and Abnegation... Abnegation I'm... not sure about... I don't see much in the way that leans me town or scum from them. Aureal is just... not present mostly? Hmm. Let me look elsewhere as well, but.

HURT: Doctor Drew, DragonEater, UsesPython, RadicalRat, Ranger
I'll expand it to seven later once I get more town reads and probably change the list some, but. There's an initial list of people I think are town.

VOTE: Aureal
If anything just to get you to do a bit more in the game.

Sure, we could waste a Nightmare on an inquiry that doesn't actually tell you anything useful, or we could y'know. ACTUALLY confirm alignment?

This is what I'm talking about. We've already established Bulletproof IC is legal, and while I am open to alternative ideas if there's something better I'm overlooking, you just keep trying to insist we do objectively worse things instead.

Does a Townie really get handed the possibility of Bulletproof IC and think "Hmmm, I'd rather have a weaker investigation and no protection"???

.... Confirming that a claimed Miller would investigate as a different alignment isn't alignment confirming? That's news to me.
Inquiry might also be one of the only Nightmare powers that can't be redirected or rolestopped though, so. Given a role stop on an IC invention would be a fake guilty...

It isn't confirming, no. It's close, but there are edge cases.

A rolestop is theoretically possible, but this setup falls apart pretty quick if scum can just completely negate the primary gimmick, so even if they have one I don't think it would apply to the Nightmare, and even if it did, why would it only apply to the invention?

I mean I have a pending question to Korina for confirmation on what the 'award' text means for if it's an ability that can be messed with or not. I'm just guessing given the power the nightmare has, that if scum knows what will happen they have a way to mess with it. Making it important for us to put town into the nightmare. A redirect/deflector I think is more likely then a rolestop though.

Rauth are you STILL sticking with your idea of the nightmare even after getting this response, because yo uwant to clarify some mech thing from Korina?

[Rautherdir]

The response from Korina on that subject determines what the best course of action would be as regards to usage of nightmare powers, and how we treat results from nightmare powers.

[Morning Tweet]

I don't get all the people saying it's town!dragon. Any links to read where he does this as town? In fact, 43 and 47 seems like a specific evolution of this trope to make him look towny. Not really a scumread but more of a :igmeou: at this point.

This is a lot like how he played in the last Dreamsfrom what i see so far I dunno dont see any detectible difference yet

Can we just policy the next person to keep talking about mech today?

I am not used to this python.

I like it, but not used to it.

I mean we literally speedran the mech and came to the conclusion by like page 8 that we should give BP IC inventions if it's legal and Activated IC if it's not, any further mech talk is literally pointless and shouldn't have been going on for another 5 pages especially because like 75% of the playerlist is lurking because of it and I just want to play the damn game

No mech required now past page 8? Love you

I notice a lot of talk about finding trustworthy people to put in the Nightmare. I would like to say that I am town, thus feel free to put me in there, coach(es).

You convinced me

[Morning Tweet]

Rauth what do you think about the idea that we do the BP activated IC.... whatever thing. can't we do that instead of hijacking the nightmare for whatever the Korina thing is

YEs, I probably sound grossly ignorant of all context

But i would think simplicity is best and just go for scum now I dont want to look at another mech thing if we can just do something strong like bulletproof IC or whtever

[Rautherdir]

I'd rather we not get blindsided by scum being able to manipulate the nightmare results.

[Morning Tweet]

Abegnation scummy why (@Everyone)

[Korina]

@Korina

: can the invention that is

awarded

to a player slot through the nightmare redux be redirected to be awarded to another player slot by player abilities?

No, nothing awarded via the Nightmare can be prevented or redirected due to it not being considered a player action. Any actions a player takes with a Nightmare reward can be, unless the player’s role states otherwise.

[Morning Tweet]

I'd rather we not get blindsided by scum being able to manipulate the nightmare results.

KORINAI S THE MOD OH LOL

So stupid I thought you were waiting on another player's answer

[Rautherdir]

Rauth what do you think about the idea that we do the BP activated IC.... whatever thing. can't we do that instead of hijacking the nightmare for whatever the Korina thing is

YEs, I probably sound grossly ignorant of all context

But i would think simplicity is best and just go for scum now I dont want to look at another mech thing if we can just do something strong like bulletproof IC or whtever

Assuming that the gift of bulletproof IC can't be redirected or blocked, then it is the best option by a huge margin.

[Morning Tweet]

Thank u Korina we have sorted that saga out

[Korina]

VC 1.8

Rauthedir (7, E-3!):

Radical Rat, usesPython, Doctor Drew, Aureal, Abnegation, DragonEater70, camelCasedSnivy

Aureal (2):

Morning Tweet, Rautherdir

Doctor Drew (1):

Merlyn

WhemeStar (1):

Titus

DragonEater70 (1):

Ranger

camelCasedSnivy (1):

biancospino

Abnegation (1):

sheepsaysmeep

biancospino (0):

usesPython (0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Ranger (0):

Radical Rat (0):

KatyKimFanClub (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus (0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri (0):

Merlyn (0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Not Voting (5):

KatyKimFanClub, Flea the Magician, Save the Dragons, WhemeStar, Kyoko Kirigiri

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-07-16 11:00:00)

Moderator Notes:

- Enchant is being replaced.
- Titus is V/LA from July 6th, 2023 till July 7th, 2023.
- Merlyn is V/LA until July 5th, 2023.
- Ranger is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.

Nightmare

Radical Rat's proposal: [Literally Everyone] (4):

Radical Rat, Merlyn, DragonEater70, Save The Dragons

biancospino's proposal: [biancospino, usesPython, camelCasedSnivy, Doctor Drew, Abnegation] (1):

biancospino

DragonEater70's proposal: [DragonEater70, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, Titus] (1):

DragonEater70

Ranger's proposal: [Ranger, usesPython, Doctor Drew, Save The Dragons, Abnegation, Aureal, Merlyn, camelCasedSnivy, Titus, biancospino] (1):

Ranger

usesPython's proposal: [usesPython, Titus, DragonEater70, Radical Rat, Aureal, Kyoko Kirigiri, Abnegation] (1):

usesPython

camelCasedSnivy's proposal: [camelCasedSnivy, Ranger, Merlyn, Doctor Drew, Abnegation, Radical Rat] (1):

camelCasedSnivy

KatyKimFanClub's proposal: [KatyKimFanClub, usesPython, Radical Rat, Ranger, Rautherdir, Morning Tweet, biancospino] (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Abnegation's proposal: [Abnegation, Aureal, Radical Rat, usesPython, Kyoko Kirigiri, DragonEater70, Titus] (1):

Abnegation

Rautherdir's proposal: [Doctor Drew, DragonEater70, usesPython, Radical Rat, Ranger] (1):

Rautherdir

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.
Nobody is confirmed to run the Nightmare.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

[KatyKimFanClub]

Lurking out cuz wasnt prepared mentally to read another large game HAD I ROLLED SK again maybe I am not hurt by the "mid takes" comments I already forgot them don't worry. The way im being read and described by dragon/sheep here feels right

Katy, why'd you put me in the Nightmare of all people?

I liked first line of 150.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Also you're not cult leader?

[Morning Tweet]

Aureal you feel different from Team Mafia, I could be misremembering but you're not as engaged? Am I high on bath salts

Although I totally agree with 362 overall

I think Katy is town, body of work

[KatyKimFanClub]

HEAL: Rautherdir

[Rautherdir]

Alright cool we have no reason to do mech talk about the nightmare ever again. Bulletproof IC Invention is the best, and the only things that come close are Housing, Vig, and Friendly Neighbor, at least until we get below seven players at which point it's just Inquiry and Vig.

Unless we can only use each option once. But we'll figure that out night two and if we run into it we can talk about it then.

[Rautherdir]

Abegnation scummy why (@Everyone)

Weird vibe for me... they don't quite feel the same way they did in previous games with them. But not sure really.
Not anywhere near enough for me to actually vote them though, and I am liking the content of their posts so who knows, might just be me being silly.

[Ranger]

For D1 at least, is there any reason the nightmare SHOULDN'T include everyone?

Same reason we don’t massclaim D1; scum usually have counterplay making the strategy detrimental.

[Morning Tweet]

Also you're not cult leader? :P

I'm not, I could be having so much fun right now but something something some guy named "CLONE" just didnt like the cut of that games jib

Well. I whiffed my first shot so maybe for hte best Kirigriiiii

I have no idea what Rautherdir is trying to say here and I'm starting to wonder if there's really something to the idea that he's trying to muddle things to avoid town getting confirmed innocents from the nightmare.

LMFAO

So far i Pseudo Nightmare: DragonEater, Katy, Python

Dragon asked me to explain my Aureal vote in 150. I think just because Aureal hadnt done anything yet and i had a quicker impression of her in team mafia

Second, I completely disagree about Bianco. Their posting is just filled with random, thrown-out-in-the-open comments that serve absolutely no purpose, and a jokey (I guess) vote at a point where serious votes should be made. I read this as scum.

Also I don't believe you about not being a cult leader. Please cult me tonight.

That's not my impression of scum bianco at all though. At least given our team mafia game

(^•ω~^)☆

[Rautherdir]

For D1 at least, is there any reason the nightmare SHOULDN'T include everyone?

Same reason we don’t massclaim D1; scum usually have counterplay making the strategy detrimental.

After seeing previous Dreams' setup uh. It might be good to not put everyone in it for other reasons as well which I won't elaborate further on.

[Ranger]

{usesPython}
{Abnegation}
{Rautherdir}
{Save The Dragons, Doctor Drew}
{Radical Rat}
{Aureal}
{Merlyn}
{camelCasedSnivy}
{Titus, biancospino}
{DragonEater70}

P5 loosely. Reads likely incoherent, dealing with unpleasant rl things rn, so may be off.

[Korina]

Lorem