Newbie 2126: Art [Game Over]

[Aisa]

2.02

Votecount 2.02

SmileyDude1 (1):

skitter30

Not Voting (7):

TheHoldSteady, camelCasedSnivy, SmileyDude1, Radical Polaroid, Merlyn, Alianna, Eiralox

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to eliminate someone.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-07-10 20:00:00).

[TheHoldSteady]

We all screwed up

[skitter30]

in that

[Merlyn]

I'm the Jailkeeper with a save on Skitter. This has been the key component to my reads so far

RP, why did you want to claim here? I'm asking bc we were literally saying earlier in the thread that you should not claim and let me take the hit tonight.

[Merlyn]

VOTE: skitter Skitter either was a) the target or b) the killer. Does anything think skitter was the most likely target last night? It really should have been someone like TheHoldSteady, who was townread by the vast majority.

[Merlyn]

@HoldSteady, I saw your ask, I'm out at the lake today but I'll work on my reads late tonight/tomorrow

[Alianna]

VOTE: skitter Skitter either was a) the target or b) the killer. Does anything think skitter was the most likely target last night? It really should have been someone like TheHoldSteady, who was townread by the vast majority.

It's possible scum would try to go for a strong player who isn't universally townread specifically for the purpose of avoiding protective roles. Definitely not going to clear skitter off that, though, and I don't hate the idea of voting her today.
Speaking of killing skitter, I want your input on something. Do you think Smiley would try to kill skitter for tunnelling him, or is that too obvious?

[Radical Polaroid]

Merlyn has had a very scummy response

The perspective is something I only see from someone who is evil, and thinking about the decisions they made in the night

[Alianna]

Merlyn has had a very scummy response

The perspective is something I only see from someone who is evil, and thinking about the decisions they made in the night

Merlyn is mechanically confirmed to be town.

[Radical Polaroid]

Merlyn has had a very scummy response

The perspective is something I only see from someone who is evil, and thinking about the decisions they made in the night

Merlyn is mechanically confirmed to be town.

That's sad. They should start acting as a town then

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter Skitter either was a) the target or b) the killer. Does anything think skitter was the most likely target last night? It really should have been someone like TheHoldSteady, who was townread by the vast majority.

Yes, esp. if smiley is scum
I am fine getting voting out if u commit to voting smiley -> camel afterwards

[Alianna]

VOTE: skitter Skitter either was a) the target or b) the killer. Does anything think skitter was the most likely target last night? It really should have been someone like TheHoldSteady, who was townread by the vast majority.

It's possible scum would try to go for a strong player who isn't universally townread specifically for the purpose of avoiding protective roles. Definitely not going to clear skitter off that, though, and I don't hate the idea of voting her today.
Speaking of killing skitter, I want your input on something. Do you think Smiley would try to kill skitter for tunnelling him, or is that too obvious?

skitter kill could also have been made to frame Smiley. It might actually have been more informative if it went through, since we'd be able to see whose play during the day aligns with the above goal of setting up a misexecution on Smiley.
Idk why I'm even talking about this, since it didn't actually happen.
Oh, never mind, I remembered what I was talking about. I was going to say that the no-kill and JK target on skitter might clear Smiley indirectly. This is probably kind of obvious, but there are four worlds we could be in:
1.

town!Smiley

/

town!skitter

2.

town!Smiley

/

scum!skitter

3.

scum!Smiley

/

town!skitter

4.

scum!Smiley

/

scum!skitter

I feel pretty confident to rule out world #4 based on the overseer/skitter 1v1 earlier (if that was all scum theatre then well played). What I'm currently debating is whether world #3 is a thing. Smiley could shoot skitter for the reason mentioned in 656 or in an attempt to alleviate pressure on himself. I don't think it's as good of a shot as it looks, though. skitter's push on his slot had consistently failed to gain traction, so was it really that big of a problem? Even if it was, would said problem actually be solved by killing her? I say probably not. I just see it attracting more attention his way and creating a new problem that might be worse than the first one.
Unless he shot skitter so I could make this exact argument and write him off as town...
*WIFOM ensues*

This has been another brain dump and I don't remember what exactly the point was.

[Alianna]

I've come to the conclusion that the people I want dead are as follows: SmileyDude, Camel, Aliana, Eiralox

Not sure who I'd kill first, need more time to think it over

Alianna has been my only townread from day 1, why is it that you want to condemn them?

Smiley and Eiralox makes sense, I'm assuming that the reason I'm in there is because of the PC townflip but you refused to give reads upon request so I dunno

Just wondering what this was supposed to mean, because if we look at 185, 228, and 587, you definitely had townreads other than me on D1 and you've even acknowledged it on D2.

[Alianna]

VOTE: skitter Skitter either was a) the target or b) the killer. Does anything think skitter was the most likely target last night? It really should have been someone like TheHoldSteady, who was townread by the vast majority.

Yes, esp. if smiley is scum
I am fine getting voting out if u commit to voting smiley -> camel afterwards

I'm fine with a camel vote, not so much with Smiley, but I can't say I like the idea of just committing to a specific chain of executions now and not re-evaluating our options as the game progresses.

[camelCasedSnivy]

I've come to the conclusion that the people I want dead are as follows: SmileyDude, Camel, Aliana, Eiralox

Not sure who I'd kill first, need more time to think it over

Alianna has been my only townread from day 1, why is it that you want to condemn them?

Smiley and Eiralox makes sense, I'm assuming that the reason I'm in there is because of the PC townflip but you refused to give reads upon request so I dunno

Just wondering what this was supposed to mean, because if we look at 185, 228, and 587, you definitely had townreads other than me on D1 and you've even acknowledged it on D2.

Can I not have townreads on more than one person?

[Alianna]

I've come to the conclusion that the people I want dead are as follows: SmileyDude, Camel, Aliana, Eiralox

Not sure who I'd kill first, need more time to think it over

Alianna has been my only townread from day 1, why is it that you want to condemn them?

Smiley and Eiralox makes sense, I'm assuming that the reason I'm in there is because of the PC townflip but you refused to give reads upon request so I dunno

Just wondering what this was supposed to mean, because if we look at 185, 228, and 587, you definitely had townreads other than me on D1 and you've even acknowledged it on D2.

Can I not have townreads on more than one person?

Yes, of course you can. What I was referring to is the line "Alianna has been my only townread from day 1..."

[Alianna]

Eiralox's frequent vote-flipping and changing their mind is something I tend to read as town.

Spoiler: quotes

Okay I never check my messages, consider that a VT claim. Merlyn as confirmed a valuable member of town.

Political Clout, one reason I hammered you is I felt Merlyn and Holdsteady were masons even while Merlyn was somewhat scummy.

VOTE: Radical Polaroid

Just voting, I'll sort everyone not Merlyn in two days as I said.

So we're confirmed to be in B2 (JK/FN) unless there's a counterclaim.
Eiralox, confirm you got the message?
And you can unvote yourself.

I guess I'm suspicious of you two. My main team I've been pushing is skitter/polaroid but I'd say camel/smiley possible just because they're trying harder than skitter and radical lol/

UNVOTE: laters

If I go by the logic I was using yesterday, there has to be one in camel/Eira/Steady, so I do see scum!camel as a likely possibility.
Still debating over Smiley.

Yeah also interesting you're not pushing skitter or radical ploaroid.

Lots of things I can use to solve here.

If I go by the logic I was using yesterday, there has to be one in camel/Eira/Steady, so I do see scum!camel as a likely possibility.
Still debating over Smiley.

Yeah also interesting you're not pushing skitter or radical ploaroid.

Lots of things I can use to solve here.

For your information, I don't really look at the game at night because someone's going to die anyway and whatever reads I had could shift, so no, I am not going to walk into the day with a push on anyone.

P-edit @skitter: Mostly my residual townread from overseer. One minute.

I didn't read at night but I'm still looking at skitter and ploaroid so *shrug*

VOTE: Radical Plolaroid

Ok sorry rad my vorte isn't changing until you get a bit more into thi game. I'm not trying to be rude I know people have lives but with o0ne confirmed we can easily solve this.

Oh also I have no idea about Alianna tbh and something like a skitter/alianna team isn't something i have studied which might be worrying?

UNVOTE:

ok yeah imma be an angler here, camel radical is a friendly neighbor.

VOTE: camelcasedsnivy


i'll diversify my portfolio

ok wait i'm dumb didnt read camel's post in many ways but eh the above retort did seem stilted

UNVOTE:

i'll chill.

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter Skitter either was a) the target or b) the killer. Does anything think skitter was the most likely target last night? It really should have been someone like TheHoldSteady, who was townread by the vast majority.

Yes, esp. if smiley is scum
I am fine getting voting out if u commit to voting smiley -> camel afterwards

I'm fine with a camel vote, not so much with Smiley, but I can't say I like the idea of just committing to a specific chain of executions now and not re-evaluating our options as the game progresses.

how does ur post above change in the event i flip town
(i happen to know this, but i'm asking you to consider this worldview now)

like what happens next

[skitter30]

i think going thru: alianna, smiley, camel wins tbh

[skitter30]

camel i kinda independantly sr
alianna looks like a smiley partner

[Radical Polaroid]

I'm going to retract my Jailkeeper claim.

I was interested in a world where Skitter and I were cleared to people. I got what I wanted out of it

[camelCasedSnivy]

I'm going to retract my Jailkeeper claim.

I was interested in a world where Skitter and I were cleared to people. I got what I wanted out of it

Even in that case I still thought skitter was the one roleblocked, not protected

[TheHoldSteady]

VOTE: Radical Polaroid

[TheHoldSteady]

enough is enough

[Alianna]

I'm going to retract my Jailkeeper claim.

I was interested in a world where Skitter and I were cleared to people. I got what I wanted out of it

What did you want? What did you gain?