Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Rautherdir]

I mean. That's just.. classic role fishing.

[Abnegation]

I mean. That's just.. classic role fishing.

as in ranger is rolefishing? i don't see it.

[usesPython]

.... I really shouldn't expect any role from the previous game to be perfectly preserved though, so for example it might be part of a JOAT or such. In which case town with that power probably shouldn't claim yet.

They wouldn't need to claim the JOAT then? Last game it was 2-shot so literally all they'd have to do is claim they did this and they'd probably be a low priority target PR wise

[Radical Rat]

So I'm supposed to not try to solve anything because something else could have happened, and not ever ask questions because the answer might be different than what I expect?

I acknowledge it's not an airtight case or anything, I point out the lurking possibility already, but I'm working with what I have here. And I do find it curious that you're already presuming Ranger would deny responsibility. Know something I don't?

yeah putting drew in the thing is just something scum did and is a scumclaim (if someone claims it we should flashwagon them)

and it’s simply going to be completely impossible to deduce who performed that scum action just based on the posts in thread. we know it won’t lead to anything. so it feels performative

Do you disagree that the action was most likely submitted within that three hour window? While it is true someone could have been lurking, it is guaranteed that everyone who posted was in fact present. It is not guaranteed that the people who posted are responsible, and I admit as much, but like. It's SOMETHING. And I'm actively trying to figure out how much to take away from it.

Maybe I come up empty, maybe I find something worth pushing forward more, but how am I supposed to know if I don't try? Just never act on anything unless I have a 100% confirmation that can never truly exist (outside of some Open setups anyway)?

[Rautherdir]

Which to be fair I am also a little guilty of. No, the person who did this shouldn't claim yet if town, we don't need that confirmation in order to get a better picture of Drew's alignment. I don't think this confirmation alone makes Drew scum. (Probably, unless scum used it on a partner for... some weird reason. If we're in multiball that might also be a reason it could happen with Drew scum, and more likely of one.)

So probably not scum from that, though I still don't like Drew's posting more recently. Regardless the fact they got confirmed to run the nightmare shouldn't impact reads on them or be a reason to vote them on it's own.

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No, saying Radical Rat was, by asking Ranger directly if they did or didn't. That's just textbook role fishing.

[Radical Rat]

Which to be fair I am also a little guilty of. No, the person who did this shouldn't claim yet if town, we don't need that confirmation in order to get a better picture of Drew's alignment. I don't think this confirmation alone makes Drew scum. (Probably, unless scum used it on a partner for... some weird reason. If we're in multiball that might also be a reason it could happen with Drew scum, and more likely of one.)

So probably not scum from that, though I still don't like Drew's posting more recently. Regardless the fact they got confirmed to run the nightmare shouldn't impact reads on them or be a reason to vote them on it's own.

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No, saying Radical Rat was, by asking Ranger directly if they did or didn't. That's just textbook role fishing.

I think it is far more likely scum did this, regardless of reason, than Town did this. Therefore, I think finding who did it is (probably) finding scum, and if it WAS Town that did it, they'd better have a damn good excuse.

Technically I guess that IS rolefishing, but it's... different.

[Rautherdir]

I'm not saying it's scummy, just calling it for what it is. It's one of the scum-helping actions that is easy to end up doing as town.

[Abnegation]

i mean, that question wasn't going anywhere useful imo, but i don't think that particular instance of asking about abilities is rolefishing. at least not in a scummy way.

[Merlyn]

@Abnegation, where are you thinking scum is?

[Rautherdir]

I don't think it's role fishing that is coming from scum, but it is role fishing.


Hmmm. I don't feel 100% about Drew being town. But I also think he got targeted by scum with that ability. But yeah we should look elsewhere for where to vote today. Unfortunately it was usesPython and Rat that pushed Drew as scum for that, and I think both of them are town, so.

[Abnegation]

@Abnegation, where are you thinking scum is?

ugh, connection issues are being annoying and i have to retype this.
i have...no clue.
i am somewhat confident that scum isn't in the proposal i endorsed yesterday though (drew, me, aureal, python, rat, de70, titus, and ranger). drew is someone i am scumreading for his play, but it doesn't make all that much sense for his partner to put him in the nightmare like that.

UNVOTE:

[Korina]

Hi due to connection issues/MS dying today, I’m adding 13.5 hours to deadline.

[Radical Rat]

Well, it's kind of a moot point since Ranger's refusing to answer anyway.

I believe I understand why she's refusing, so while I would personally much rather she give a straight answer, I will accept this as a dead end... for now.

[Rautherdir]

To be fair it is beneficial for town to keep information about roles hidden from scum early game.

[Rautherdir]

With exceptions like with miller

[Korina]

VC 1.11

Abnegation (3):

sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet, Merlyn

KatyKimFanClub (3):

WhemeStar, Titus, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew (2):

usesPython, Aureal

camelCasedSnivy (2):

biancospino, Save The Dragons

Aureal (2):

Rautherdir, camelCasedSnivy

Rauthedir (2):

Radical Rat, DragonEater70

DragonEater70 (1):

Ranger

sheepsaysmeep (0):

WhemeStar (0):

biancospino (0):

usesPython (0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Ranger (0):

Radical Rat (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus (0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri (0):

Merlyn (0):

Not Voting (4):

KatyKimFanClub, Flea the Magician, Kyoko Kirigiri, Abnegation

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-07-17 00:30:00)

Moderator Notes:

- Titus is V/LA from July 6th, 2023 till July 7th, 2023.
- Merlyn is V/LA until July 5th, 2023.
- Ranger is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.

Nightmare

usesPython's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, Abnegation, Aureal, Radical Rat, usesPython, DragonEater70, Titus, Ranger] (2):

usesPython, Abnegation

biancospino's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, biancospino, usesPython, camelCasedSnivy, Abnegation] (1):

biancospino

DragonEater70's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, Titus] (1):

DragonEater70

Ranger's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, Ranger, usesPython, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir, Radical Rat, sheepsaysmeep, Aureal, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy] (1):

Ranger

KatyKimFanClub's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, KatyKimFanClub, usesPython, Radical Rat, Ranger, Morning Tweet, biancospino] (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Rautherdir's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70, usesPython, Radical Rat, Ranger] (1):

Rautherdir


With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.
Nobody is confirmed to run the Nightmare.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

[Radical Rat]

To be fair it is beneficial for town to keep information about roles hidden from scum early game.

And this is why I'm begrudgingly okay with it.

It's a balance that in this case I think is merited, but in the absence of better reasons to scumread her on top of it, I recognize is just going to be pushing against a brick wall. And Ranger is a brick wall I don't feel like pushing against this time. Yet.

[Merlyn]

Yeah, I appreciated that Ranger's answer was authentic sounding. I think scum would have just automatically denied.

[Maruchan]

I’ll ask Maruchan.

*evil smirk*

I hope they like whichever of my answers i gave you that you pick

[Korina]

HEAL: old vote
HURT: Doctor Drew, Abnegation, Aureal, Radical Rat, usesPython, DragonEater70, Titus

Don't even know if there's a point to trying to get a pure Nightmare with Drew in it

-A

@mod

- what happens if someone gets confirmed to run in the nightmare, but then we execute them during the day?

I finally have an answer to this: If this player would cause the Nightmare to be under 5/7/9 players, I will randomly assign one player to be added to the Nightmare. If this would cause the Nightmare to drop to 5/7/9 players, I will take no action.

[Rautherdir]

So in other words, if we plan on eliminating someone- oh wait there was a hammerer last game. Hmm. Might be best to do 6/8/10 player proposals then? Or... hmm.... if we plan on eliminating someone we can do 6/8/10, otherwise we can go as normal, I doubt we'll encounter daykills often.

[Titus]

HURT: Usespython's votes

VLA now until July 7th. MS stability issues.

I haven't read since my last post but I don't want a dead slot atm. I'll look after surgery but I might be high AF.

[Rautherdir]

I think the entire player base can be considered V/LA while MS has it's site issues.

[Merlyn]

HURT: Usespython's votes

VLA now until July 7th. MS stability issues.

I haven't read since my last post but I don't want a dead slot atm. I'll look after surgery but I might be high AF.

good luck on your surgery Titus!

[Radical Rat]

HEAL: Doctor Drew, Abnegation, Aureal, Radical Rat, usesPython, DragonEater70, Titus

It's Python's proposal, minus Ranger.

I officially no longer want to eliminate Drew (today), but Ranger is a big enough question mark for me that if we ARE trying to make a pure Nightmare, I don't want her in it yet.