Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[KatyKimFanClub]

Like I feel pythons argument is "why wouldn't you ask that in your scum pt you dingleberry" and the logical conclusion is that rauthe doesn't have one

But I'm only kind of skimming so maybe I'm missing something

Because it's not about actually getting an answer, it's FUD tactics

Sorry, what's FUD?

[Ranger]

what's the tl;dr reason for not putting everyone

Ironically given Radical Rat's exclusion of me:

For D1 at least, is there any reason the nightmare SHOULDN'T include everyone?

Same reason we don’t massclaim D1; scum usually have counterplay making the strategy detrimental.

[Ranger]

I'm confused why people think scum!rauthe would do whatever rauthe did to make himself look scummy

Rautherdir is a convenient target.


I don't think it makes multiple players pushing Rauth scum. I think it's loosely 50-50 on-off. Those off making posts like 758, those on encouraging the nothingness wagon.

This is also part of why I think Radical Rat's town. They appear to be a town player scum are using.

[Radical Rat]

Like I feel pythons argument is "why wouldn't you ask that in your scum pt you dingleberry" and the logical conclusion is that rauthe doesn't have one

But I'm only kind of skimming so maybe I'm missing something

Because it's not about actually getting an answer, it's FUD tactics

Sorry, what's FUD?

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

Basically it's using rhetoric meant to undermine confidence in an idea one finds unfavorable. You see it crop up a lot in marketing and politics.

[Rautherdir]

Look. If kills happen before invention awards that doesn't change which invention we should reward. Since that affects all invention awards equally.
It DOES affect how we should give the awards. It would have meant we should definitely try to only put 7 town into the Nightmare, if the person gifted to gets killed then we can guess that scum is within that much smaller group of people then.

So I'm confused why this latest thought of mine is getting used to scum read me since it's an argument for the plan you all are currently proposing and I also fail to see how suggesting it is scummy.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Like I feel pythons argument is "why wouldn't you ask that in your scum pt you dingleberry" and the logical conclusion is that rauthe doesn't have one

But I'm only kind of skimming so maybe I'm missing something

Because it's not about actually getting an answer, it's FUD tactics

Sorry, what's FUD?

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

Basically it's using rhetoric meant to undermine confidence in an idea one finds unfavorable. You see it crop up a lot in marketing and politics.

Ah I looked on the site wiki but not on Google... thanks.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Look. If kills happen before invention awards that doesn't change which invention we should reward. Since that affects all invention awards equally.
It DOES affect how we should give the awards. It would have meant we should definitely try to only put 7 town into the Nightmare, if the person gifted to gets killed then we can guess that scum is within that much smaller group of people then.

So I'm confused why this latest thought of mine is getting used to scum read me since it's an argument for the plan you all are currently proposing and I also fail to see how suggesting it is scummy.

You're begging for it at this point

[Ranger]

I think people said why rauthe is scummy but not why scum!rauthe does what he did

I agree.

If I'm wrong (about maybe being wrong I guess?) I would very much like to know why

Try working your way through your process again.

There's an issue with it involving a preexisting conclusion. Your logic has a contradiction which requires already having a conclusion to be consistent.

[Rautherdir]

Look if people are going to scum read and vote me at least do it for a reason that makes sense logically or emotionally. It's frustrating and annoying when it's reasons that... logically I don't even see as scummy or aren't based on emotions.

[Radical Rat]

Look. If kills happen before invention awards that doesn't change which invention we should reward. Since that affects all invention awards equally.
It DOES affect how we should give the awards. It would have meant we should definitely try to only put 7 town into the Nightmare, if the person gifted to gets killed then we can guess that scum is within that much smaller group of people then.

So I'm confused why this latest thought of mine is getting used to scum read me since it's an argument for the plan you all are currently proposing and I also fail to see how suggesting it is scummy.

I agree with this more or less, and it's why I've stopped really pushing for an everyone nightmare, but the problem I have is that this isn't how you initially presented it.

You said "wait what order does the kill happen in" and then said "there are

also

reasons we shouldn't do everyone" implying that these are two separate thoughts.

It's the same as earlier where you claimed to be suggesting downgraded ICs because you didn't think Bulletproof IC would be legal, but your list of suggestions included both components, showing that you didn't actually believe either was illegal.

It's post-hoc justification after it backfires.

[KatyKimFanClub]

This is also part of why I think Radical Rat's town. They appear to be a town player scum are using.

I am pretty confident one of DragonEater or Merlyn is scum too.

[Rautherdir]

If I don't know which way something will operate then I will operate as if both options are true simultaneously until I know which one works. That way I get the best of both worlds once I do know how something will work.

My wording also isn't always the best. There are other reasons that I already know for sure why we shouldn't do everyone. As oppose to the reason I was currently thinking

might

be one to do it.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: dragoneater

[KatyKimFanClub]

VOTE: dragoneater

This might be the funniest vote of all time

[Save The Dragons]

FOR DRAGONKIND

[Rautherdir]

The first bit does mean I can sometimes be saying to do one thing while doing the opposite myself. Which I'm aware of and is a bit of a curse in any game where I'm not doing much filtering of what I say before saying it.

p-edit
That vote does make thematic sense heh. Hmm. Let me read Dragoneater again.

[Save The Dragons]

Dragons unite and rain fire upon that which threatens to eat you

[Merlyn]

If I don't know which way something will operate then I will operate as if both options are true simultaneously until I know which one works. That way I get the best of both worlds once I do know how something will work.

My wording also isn't always the best. There are other reasons that I already know for sure why we shouldn't do everyone. As oppose to the reason I was currently thinking

might

be one to do it.

Look, I'm voting you because I don't like that you keep dragging the game back to mech. How about, instead of you replying that you're not dragging the game back to mech and why you think that, let me know who your latest tr's or sr's are and we can talk about that?

[Merlyn]

This is also part of why I think Radical Rat's town. They appear to be a town player scum are using.

I am pretty confident one of DragonEater or Merlyn is scum too.

I'm pretty sure one of katy or kim is scum

[Morning Tweet]

Did u see anytthing towny i just thought it was fillery

Do you see the nothingness

Can you describe Alianna any more perfectly?

To be fair haven't played with Alianna to m y knowledge

Merlyn's response to sheep is kind of nitpicky do you always vote in exact predictable fashion based on what you've written in previous posts, what if something changes or if you think about it differently later

I guess that's like, something you could say in response to any inconsistency ever. Is voting Abegnation over me scum indictative though ? Just, why?

I voted Abegneation because a bunch of votes, lots of fluff, no towniness, plus questioning why people that do townread them are townreading them sus! Plus, I guess I'm leaning Rauth is a townie who posts filler ? So might as well start there

well, i can question scumreads (is that a scumread?) too.
what's the difference between me posting filler and rauth posting filler? the fact that rauth's filler is mech-based? there's, like, one or two posts in their iso that discuss actual reads. is anything especially towny in those posts or in the way they've gone about talking mech?
this feels mildly contradictory when i really look at it.

Ye of course you can question scumreads the way you went about it just seemed aimless to me

I'm not raally sure its contradictory to find the way Rauth did it towny and you not. I thought Rauth was definitely playing to a purpose which at first was filler nonsense to me but then I ended up believing him

You're more of a collection of different thoughts that i didnt townread across a large body of work

i dont know if i even engaged the same portions of my brain for the two reads you're ike a general vibe check where Rauth is a genuineness check as to the intentions.... hang on...

Yeah if you read across Rauths ISO its one long dicussion on the nightmarte and vigs and bla bla bla

Yours is more jokeys with some one liner reads sprinked in with a side of commenting on players meta. Nothing bad just a vibe of maybe floaty scum to me. Rauth seemed focused on waht he ws focused on

and like in that game MT was pretty set to already be getting into the nightmare anyways going off votecounts and I'm not really seeing anyone here going "Yeah Drew's gigatown get him in there"

-A

hmm.
i wonder if korina would try to switch things up this game by having that ability be anti-town. it does feel intuitive to do that. maybe mod spec is a bad idea though.

I kind ofl ike this thought


Also i have a big question, did Drew just get forcibly put into the Nightmare? If I'm understanding right?

[KatyKimFanClub]

Yes

[KatyKimFanClub]

I mean, that is the consensus opinion.

[Rautherdir]

Fair. I just need time to read and think about things. And probably just.. ignore the reasons people are voting me I suppose. It's just annoying and distracting.

I don't know what to think about DragonEater after reading them. They did correctly identify that I'm using the same meta as Conception where I was scum. However I suppose they missed where someone else identified my meta in that game as my town meta. Not that it means I'm town, I might just be playing to my town meta again when last time that got me eliminated on day 1.

Their push on Bianco was decent enough I suppose, though probably not that valid either given Bianco ended up replacing out. I'd prefer to give DragonEater the benefit of the doubt for now as I could see town making both of those pushes, though they definitely could be doing better.

[camelCasedSnivy]

This is also part of why I think Radical Rat's town. They appear to be a town player scum are using.

I am pretty confident one of DragonEater or Merlyn is scum too.

I'm pretty sure one of katy or kim is scum

Why not vote for both of them?

[Morning Tweet]

Yeah he was (pedit: Thank you)

Ranger that didn't have anything to do with you did it?

Now I know this sounds insane but

This somehow didn't go through earlier;

VOTE: Drews-a-licious

There's many things I'll

Drew

. Voting a town-him not among them.

Why did you italicize this? i saved this as a crumb

Nah this is stupid because this is so much earlier in the game though

Just know I spent ten minutes or so missing the pun Ranger makes in this post and conneccting that to Drew being put in

drew, have you got any scumreads?

Really just coasting through D1, gonna sheep those I feel most confident in town.

But not liking Rauth or Sheep, to a lesser degree.

drew, have you got any scumreads?

Really just coasting through D1, gonna sheep those I feel most confident in town.

But not liking Rauth or Sheep, to a lesser degree.

hmm. i guess your strategy being "coast and sheep people" explains some stuff if i believe it. i'm not sure if i believe it.
your play has felt different this game. from what i know of town!you, you normally don't have issues posting stuff that ruffles people's feathers, or making reads that come off as scummy or tinfoily. i got the vibe that you might be trying to avoid doing that this game. trying to get people to like you.
i do feel similarly about rauth and sheep though.

hmm. i guess your strategy being "coast and sheep people" explains some stuff if i believe it. i'm not sure if i believe it.
your play has felt different this game. from what i know of town!you, you normally don't have issues posting stuff that ruffles people's feathers, or making reads that come off as scummy or tinfoily. i got the vibe that you might be trying to avoid doing that this game. trying to get people to like you.

Being honest, Doctor Drew is playing as he does when scum.

Were I unwilling to provide benefit of the doubt, he'd nearly top my scumreads.

I actually

do

believe him though; idk why. Gut I guess.

{usesPython, Abnegation}
{KatyKimFanclub}
{Rautherdir}
{Save The Dragons, Radical Rat}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{Aureal, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy}
{Doctor Drew}
{biancospino, Kyoko Kirigiri}
{Merlyn}
{Flea The Magician}
{WhemeStar}
{Titus}
{DragonEater70}

kind of want to vote Drew

I'm not used to coasting Drew who sheeps townreads n such

Conflicted on the implications of Drew being forced into the nightmare's though

UNVOTE:

I'm confused why people think scum!rauthe would do whatever rauthe did to make himself look scummy

I get why everyone finds Rauth's posting there so egregious altho i do struggle to answer this question

RR looks really good

Look. If kills happen before invention awards that doesn't change which invention we should reward. Since that affects all invention awards equally.
It DOES affect how we should give the awards. It would have meant we should definitely try to only put 7 town into the Nightmare, if the person gifted to gets killed then we can guess that scum is within that much smaller group of people then.

So I'm confused why this latest thought of mine is getting used to scum read me since it's an argument for the plan you all are currently proposing and I also fail to see how suggesting it is scummy.

Rauthe how are you still going on about this ON THIS PAGE

DO YOU WANT TO DIE

Only like seven or so separate unique players have said "Lets just stop the mech talk" including fucking YOU on the prrevious page