Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I need to go offline to do other stuff, but this is where I am with the game rn. I need more focused attention to progress from here.

[Korina]

VC 1.13.1

Rauthedir (4):

Radical Rat, DragonEater70, Merlyn, camelCasedSnivy

KatyKimFanClub (3):

WhemeStar, Titus, Doctor Drew

DragonEater70 (3):

Ranger, Save The Dragons, Aureal

camelCasedSnivy (1):

biancospino

Aureal (1):

Rautherdir

Kyoko Kirigiri (0):

usesPython

Abnegation (1):

sheepsaysmeep

Doctor Drew (0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

WhemeStar (0):

biancospino (0):

usesPython (0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Ranger (0):

Radical Rat (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus (0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Merlyn (0):

Not Voting (5):

KatyKimFanClub, Flea the Magician, Abnegation, Morning Tweet, Kyoko Kirigiri

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-07-17 00:30:00)

Moderator Notes:

- Titus is V/LA until July 7th, 2023.
- Ranger is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.

Nightmare

Radical Rat's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, Abnegation, Aureal, Radical Rat, usesPython, DragonEater70, Titus] (2):

Radical Rat, Abnegation

biancospino's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, biancospino, usesPython, camelCasedSnivy, Abnegation] (1):

biancospino

DragonEater70's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, Titus] (1):

DragonEater70

Ranger's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, Ranger, usesPython, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir, Radical Rat, sheepsaysmeep, Aureal, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy] (1):

Ranger

KatyKimFanClub's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, KatyKimFanClub, usesPython, Radical Rat, Ranger, Morning Tweet, biancospino] (1):

KatyKimFanClub

usesPython's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, usesPython, Ranger, Abnegation, Radical Rat, KatyKimFanClub, Aureal] (1):

usesPython


With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Doctor Drew is confirmed.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

[Random Nurse]

Yeah. Overwhelmed by the mechanics in this game.

I'll be starting from this point onwards.

[usesPython]

Yeah. Overwhelmed by the mechanics in this game.

I'll be starting from this point onwards.

I think the only actually relevant pieces of mech are that:

• it's optimal to use the nightmare to hand out Bulletproof Innocent Child inventions as a Normal Invention action (Needs 7 people in the nightmare)
  
• the BP IC inventions can't be blocked or redirected in any way
  
• Drew has been forcibly placed into the Nightmare through a day ability
  
• it'd be nice if we could get a high confidence full town nightmare to co-ordinate night actions

[usesPython]

oh and also that if non-Town get awarded the invention then it just fails (Since IC is only normal for Town) and that nightkills go through after the invention gets handed out so scum can't kill them when they know in advance who's getting it

[usesPython]

oh and also that if non-Town get awarded the

IC

invention then it just fails

EBWOP

[Rautherdir]

Basically, use Hurt tags to signify your top 7 town reads as being nightmare candidates, or use them to vote for another person's list.
Heal tags will unvote one of the nightmare proposals.

[Rautherdir]

why making a proposal of 5 (even if you say you will add names later) when ic was established best by your own words?

I was establishing town reads of mine at that point in time.

[camelCasedSnivy]

ok im not reading allat maybe ill read later but ill just respond the post I was quoted in

python/bianco/(rauth maybe) is my scumread list

biggest townread is ranger for me, wonder what they think about 80% of these posts not advancing the game whatsoever

also waitwaitwait i can vote for multiple proposals at once? VC says I'm voting for bianco's proposal and my own

Elaborate on every single read you posted here (about how you were thinking then please)

bianco I didn't like because at the start they mimicked me voting python and putting them in a proposal with me and that's plagiarism!!! but then after that they just went on to do literally nothing game advancing. I feel like pulling off something like that is plausible for scum to do

python never gave me reads on anyone but wheme at the time, and they only voted them because they weren't posting. pretty sure forgetting a game exists isn't alignment indicative?

rauth I'm still voting for the same reason as everyone else, constantly bringing up an already concluded topic to make it seem like they're productive

[Rautherdir]

Wheme confirmed but didn't post publicly. That... can be alignment indicative but isn't very strong evidence in the slightest. They've also been vanished due to the mech talk I think.

[Save The Dragons]

Page 36 reads include Ranger and Kyoko both town

[camelCasedSnivy]

Wheme confirmed but didn't post publicly. That... can be alignment indicative but isn't very strong evidence in the slightest. They've also been vanished due to the mech talk I think.

To be fair, not being familiarized with mech also isn't alignment indicative

[Rautherdir]

Meant more as in. They're mostly checked out of the game and they have.. an excuse, so. Not especially productive pushing there for now.

[Rautherdir]

I still think Ranger is town myself. Kyoko's push on Ranger seems... hmm.

I will acknowledge it seems like Ranger and Drew are linked in some way. I'm... honestly not sure what to think about that. I assume it will become more clear later on, but for now given Drew is already in the Nightmare it might be best to include Ranger as well.

On the one hand, I don't think scum would start off with a push on Ranger given how they were read. On the other hand that was a weird push to make, I don't think Ranger/Drew was a traitor interaction or should have been read as potentially being such, I'm fairly certain Ranger would have been a lot more subtle about it if that was the case. Reading them as Lawyer/Savior and then pushing them for that is... also odd. While Lawyer/Savior definitely isn't town, it also... isn't necessarily even helping scum if that was the case. And even if so, the proper play would have been to

vote or push drew

I believe if that was your read.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I will never do associative reads. I will iso dive drew when i have more time to focus on the slot more - in isolation from my read on ranger.

I am not even voting ranger anymore cause I'm not convinced I want it elimed. What I established and hope town remembers is to be wary about ranger and this associative tell with drew on later phases and its implications.

also thanks for answering to my questions about your reads guys. It will help me connect your thought process at the time with what was projected in game upon my reread for sure. <3

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I still think Ranger is town myself. Kyoko's push on Ranger seems... hmm.

I will acknowledge it seems like Ranger and Drew are linked in some way. I'm... honestly not sure what to think about that. I assume it will become more clear later on, but for now given Drew is already in the Nightmare it might be best to include Ranger as well.

On the one hand, I don't think scum would start off with a push on Ranger given how they were read. On the other hand that was a weird push to make, I don't think Ranger/Drew was a traitor interaction or should have been read as potentially being such, I'm fairly certain Ranger would have been a lot more subtle about it if that was the case. Reading them as Lawyer/Savior and then pushing them for that is... also odd. While Lawyer/Savior definitely isn't town, it also... isn't necessarily even helping scum if that was the case. And even if so, the proper play would have been to

vote or push drew

I believe if that was your read.

this post is good town meter +0.1

[Titus]

It's too difficult to focus on my own arguments yet. I'm estimating tomorrow. For now, an unreading VCA vote unless it's hammer.

[Titus]

VOTE: Rautherdir

My be a policy but a wagon is goof.

Tag fix
- Kori

[usesPython]

VOTE: Rautherdir

My be a policy but a wagon is goof.

Tag fix
- Kori

Get well soon

[Titus]

Thank you. Moments are better than others

[Merlyn]

UNVOTE: Rautherdir I don't think they're scum

Tag fix
- Kori

[Merlyn]

fail.

UNVOTE: Rautherdir

[Aureal]

oh and also that if non-Town get awarded the invention then it just fails (Since IC is only normal for Town) and that nightkills go through after the invention gets handed out so scum can't kill them when they know in advance who's getting it

?????

Didn't we just have a big to-do about how we shouldn't have talked about whether or not kills are foiled by that invention award? I'm probably misreading but it sounds like you're saying that they are blocked by it, and I think that's inaccurate.

[Radical Rat]

oh and also that if non-Town get awarded the invention then it just fails (Since IC is only normal for Town) and that nightkills go through after the invention gets handed out so scum can't kill them when they know in advance who's getting it

?????

Didn't we just have a big to-do about how we shouldn't have talked about whether or not kills are foiled by that invention award? I'm probably misreading but it sounds like you're saying that they are blocked by it, and I think that's inaccurate.

We already established NAR would have the invention apply first. Ideally we would have just let scum fuck around and find out, but it's already been said now

[Radical Rat]

I'm kind of stuck here tbh.

I'm admittedly cooling a bit on Rauth, Ranger's probably just Town after all, and nothing else has really screamed scum at me yet.

Rauth's still topping the charts for me, so I guess I'm staying put, but it bothers me that by this point in a game this large I don't have anything better to go off of.