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[Random Nurse]

Medeia, wanna make a

Town Contract

with me?

It's simple, and I made it up.

Every time I ask you a direct question you answer me upfront without evasion/deflection, and the same for me when you ask me direct questions. It's not fool-proof but it'd go a LONG way in fostering trust. If rejected or broken that'd make the one rejecting/breaking it look Scummy.

I extend this invitation to you.

i mean, sure

i'm not really sure why this isn't just something you'd assume about me or most players by default i guess

(1)

though i am not really the best at being clear and that is sometimes seen as evasion/deflection like if i am having difficulty weighing something and you just keep asking me 'but does that mean x is scums or not?' or whatever then i could foresee this being difficult i guess

(2)

but on a baseline sure anything that fosters communication generally good

(3)

(1) It's because there's Scum masquerading as Town in this game.

(2) Hey man, that'd be excellent practice at getting direct and to the point.

(3) Wonderful.

I'll wait until about page 10 before asking you those questions, for the sake of getting more context first, unless you'd prefer we start now?

[medeia]

Medeia, wanna make a

Town Contract

with me?

It's simple, and I made it up.

Every time I ask you a direct question you answer me upfront without evasion/deflection, and the same for me when you ask me direct questions. It's not fool-proof but it'd go a LONG way in fostering trust. If rejected or broken that'd make the one rejecting/breaking it look Scummy.

I extend this invitation to you.

i mean, sure

i'm not really sure why this isn't just something you'd assume about me or most players by default i guess

(1)

though i am not really the best at being clear and that is sometimes seen as evasion/deflection like if i am having difficulty weighing something and you just keep asking me 'but does that mean x is scums or not?' or whatever then i could foresee this being difficult i guess

(2)

but on a baseline sure anything that fosters communication generally good

(3)

(1) It's because there's Scum masquerading as Town in this game.

(2) Hey man, that'd be excellent practice at getting direct and to the point.

(3) Wonderful.

I'll wait until about page 10 before asking you those questions, for the sake of getting more context first, unless you'd prefer we start now?

1) i don't really think scums generally try to evade all questions but okay

2) not a man, and the issue is more that, when certain things are difficult to weigh, it is like

like being more direct and to the point feels reductive and inaccurate to me and not actually representative of how i am feeling, and that in those sort of situations, i think it would be much more helpful to me if you were patient with me and maybe tried to weigh what i am weighing alongside me rather than push for me to come to a hard conclusion immediately

3) eh you can ask me questions at any time, like even without the contract i would probably try to answer them so it's not like there needs to be some set start time or whatever from my perspective

[medeia]

and i guess i kinda just assumed you would generally answer my questions if i asked? like even if you are a scums it still seems unlikely to me you'd just ignore me or something

so yeah

[medeia]

like sorting to me generally feels like

'does this make sense as a thought process' or 'does this approach to this situation seem likely to come from town/scum'

and very seldomly like

'well x seems to be evasive and being evasive is scummy!'

but the contract maybe enabling the finding of the former seems beneficial to me both in terms of my sorting you and in terms of you seeing i am town if you are town

[Random Nurse]

I'm just spitballing something new.

Full disclosure I'm an alt of an old player.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: T3

Don't like the vote and sudden backing off from kcda there.

I don't get this early "medeia is scum" vibes. Like if I have to place them somewhere, maybe just above null?

Love their convo with Random Nurse here too.

[Invisibility]

VC 1.03

Meuh (1): skitter30
ChicagoTypewriter (1): Meuh
T3 (2): ChicagoTypewriter, ceejayvinoya
medeia (1): Random Nurse

Not voting: Kcdaspot, PookyTheMagicalBear, medeia

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate someone. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-07-17 14:12:57).

[T3]

one thing of his that stuck out to me as townie

ah yes. "In my opinion, as a townie, this action of his feels town. I would know because i'm obviously town"

??? What I was saying that one thing of yours that stuck out to me as towny.

[T3]

That's funny b/c i was abt to say i think they're townie

Actually, thinking back now, one thing of his that stuck out to me as townie was how he said that controlling discussion would be an 85% scum and 15% town PR. I don't think that scum would feel the need to specify town PR vs. scum because that would leave some room for doubt.

UNVOTE:

hm,

why would,

a town!pr specifically want to control the discussion though?

Not sure tbh, I didn’t really think about that. I didn’t think that Kcda’s post was towny because the content within that post was good and insightful, I thought the post was towny because of the fact that he included that specific point in the first place.

[T3]

Medeia’s posts are overexplain-y and it seems like she’s trying to squeeze content out of nothing just for the sake of doing so. In addition, the post about Kcda felt uncharacteristically defensive, especially this early on.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol wut

VOTE: t3

[Kcdaspot]

??? What I was saying that one thing of yours that stuck out to me as towny.

im just making fun of you for going a bit verbose.

[Kcdaspot]

lol wut

VOTE: t3

explain, bear.

[Kcdaspot]

yeaaaaahhhh...... medeia iso isn't good.

Whole thing reads like they squeezin blood from a stone. im with T3 here. lemme check VC real quick

[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: Medeia

nah.

[Kcdaspot]

... does RN have a read here on med?

[medeia]

Medeia’s posts are overexplain-y and it seems like she’s trying to squeeze content out of nothing just for the sake of doing so. In addition, the post about Kcda felt uncharacteristically defensive, especially this early on.

these are also personality traits for what it's worth

(and i kinda think everyone would be more sortable if they were more overexplainy)

[medeia]

yeaaaaahhhh...... medeia iso isn't good.

Whole thing reads like they squeezin blood from a stone. im with T3 here. lemme check VC real quick

why is this scummy tho?

like sure i am operating from limited information given it's page 4 but why does that make it more likely to you that i would be doing so as a scums?

[medeia]

... does RN have a read here on med?

5. Media - Slight SR. The posts occasionally come off as a bit too aloof and carefree, although that doesn't count for much. The "I just, I dunno" to me comes off a bit forced. That's just me though.

[medeia]

yeaaaaahhhh...... medeia iso isn't good.

Whole thing reads like they squeezin blood from a stone. im with T3 here. lemme check VC real quick

why is this scummy tho?

like sure i am operating from limited information given it's page 4 but why does that make it more likely to you that i would be doing so as a scums?

also like, if you're town here could you please at least glance at the links i provided to random nurse earlier and maybe realize that what you're scumreading is simply how i play the game?

which sure maybe you object to it and want me to just not post or whatever instead of 'squeezin blood from a stone' i guess but i don't really want to do that and! i really don't see how that would make me more sortable to you?

[Kcdaspot]

well i dont like meta as a way to clear or condemn anyway. each game is its own thing. no one actually acts the same way, even with the same role over multiple games, twice.

3 posts thoo? over that? seriously? in the course of 5 minutes?

thats panic in my eye.

Gents Gals and whatever else, i may have something here.

[medeia]

well i dont like meta as a way to clear or condemn anyway. each game is its own thing. no one actually acts the same way, even with the same role over multiple games, twice.

3 posts thoo? over that? seriously? in the course of 5 minutes?

thats panic in my eye.

Gents Gals and whatever else, i may have something here.

it isn't meta as a way to clear or condemn someone, it is meta to show you that what you are trying to condemn me for has absolutely nothing to do with alignment

and now you say i'm defensive just like everyone else who has ever pushed me

and then i say that that's also a personality trait and has nothing to do with alignment

and yes given absolutely scum!me is aware that that is how town!me reacts

but... that is also how town!me reacts!

so!

[medeia]

and i really don't see how me making 3 posts over this is panic to you please please just read the first few pages of the angels and demons game

i could easily make 25 posts over this if i really wanted to

and i would still be town here

[medeia]

please please just read the first few pages of the angels and demons game

viewtopic.php?t=90999

[medeia]

please please just read the first few pages of the angels and demons game

viewtopic.php?t=90999

i am demona there in case it isn't readily apparent