Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Merlyn]

[usesPython]

I mean what I said. It's a lot of words (in a post complaining about someone using a lot of words) to make the point "I'm town therefore pushing me is bad and suspicious."

You're kinda missing the point being made which is that regardless of Rangers alignment (scum/traitor/3p/town) the push on Ranger instead of pushing Drew/not pushing anyone makes no sense from town!Kirigiri's POV. The town scenario is there for completeness sake

[Merlyn]

HURT: Doctor Drew, Radical Rat, usesPython, Rautherdir, Aureal, Abnegation, Merlyn

Let's go travel the nightmare together. I think this is a good, townish group.

[Aureal]

Like we can believe Ranger spent time sorting Drew out of the public eye but why did

you

think she was sorting him before it was explained?

Maybe it's after the fact memories since I started thinking about it when you referenced page 34, but I feel like Ranger has spent a significant chunk of her posts going in circles about Drew, like the one I just boggled at. There was a couple posts even before Drew was confirmed, and I feel it only increased afterwards. And I don't know why a mason would do that sort of thing. Surely they'd just stick to a read and not make it confusing as all get out?

[Merlyn]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

[Doctor Drew]

HURT: Doctor Drew, Radical Rat, usesPython, Rautherdir, Aureal, Abnegation, Merlyn

Let's go travel the nightmare together. I think this is a good, townish group.

Merlyn, there might be something else you need to catch up on.

[usesPython]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

[Doctor Drew]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

[Doctor Drew]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

And while you are at it, hear me out as well.

[usesPython]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

Good point, Merlyn we're expecting a 500 word essay on why Ranger or Kirigiri is scum with MLA formatting.

[Aureal]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Is the crux of your assessment of this situation just that you think Kyoko should push Drew instead of Ranger if she thinks it's a traitor relationship, because Drew is already confirmed for the nightmare?

[Doctor Drew]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

Good point, Merlyn we're expecting a 500 word essay on why Ranger or Kirigiri is scum with MLA formatting.

Citations needed!

[usesPython]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Is the crux of your assessment of this situation just that you think Kyoko should push Drew instead of Ranger if she thinks it's a traitor relationship, because Drew is already confirmed for the nightmare?

No because if Ranger is confirmed a traitor signalling to Drew then Drew would be scum and you'd flip him first because Drew would be scum

[usesPython]

Like run through the logic:

If Ranger is Scum then she's not signalling

If Ranger is Traitor then Drew is Scum (in which case flip Drew)

If Ranger is Lawyer/Savior then sort Drew and flip Drew if necessary

If Ranger is Town then there's no reason to push Ranger

[Aureal]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how a traitor works?? A Mafia traitor is still Mafia and needs to be eliminated for town to win, right??

[usesPython]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how a traitor works?? A Mafia traitor is still Mafia and needs to be eliminated for town to win, right??

No actually

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

• is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead

[Merlyn]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

And while you are at it, hear me out as well.

that would be an unfortunate flaw on my part, probably going to be easy to catch in all games as scum then

[usesPython]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how a traitor works?? A Mafia traitor is still Mafia and needs to be eliminated for town to win, right??

And also misses the point that it's not 100% confirmed that Ranger is Traitor so it's still optimal to sort Drew instead (since if Drew's hard town you can assume it's not traitor signalling scum and the initial reason for the push falls apart)

[Merlyn]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

Good point, Merlyn we're expecting a 500 word essay on why Ranger or Kirigiri is scum with MLA formatting.

Citations needed!

[usesPython]

Sorry, that permit just lets

Ron

do what he wants, you're still on the hook

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how a traitor works?? A Mafia traitor is still Mafia and needs to be eliminated for town to win, right??

And also misses the point that it's not 100% confirmed that Ranger is Traitor so it's still optimal to sort Drew instead (since if Drew's hard town you can assume it's not traitor signalling scum and the initial reason for the push falls apart)

Also this.

If there is 'Oooh Ranger is traitor signalling Drew(or

Drew

) talk. Then always sort/flip me first.

[Aureal]

This is not a normal game though. The wiki seems to indicate no certainty whether a traitor would continue on or not if they were the lone scum remaining. So I can readily believe that a townie would be fine going after a scummy possible traitor first.

[usesPython]

This is not a normal game though. The wiki seems to indicate no certainty whether a traitor would continue on or not if they were the lone scum remaining. So I can readily believe that a townie would be fine going after a scummy possible traitor first.

No because if you actually think Ranger is a Traitor signaling scum!Drew you flip Drew first because on the off chance that Drew flips green you no longer have a reason to flip Ranger

[Aureal]

If that was your ONLY reason. If you think Ranger is just scummy in addition to the possible traitor signalling (and that's where I am), Drew being green isn't really that helpful for sorting Ranger.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I didnt scum/read ranger for signaling. I did went to clear her slot for signaling though. My scum read on ranger is for her reads and completely irrelevant to her signaling or what she might have been doing/did with drew

Traitor is one of the implications of the signaling. Regardless I am heavily against on working on linked reads - as you geta read based on something ranger does and sort someone else that gets linked to her by definition/drew. I wanted/still want to prioritize drew when I have energy for an iso dive but on surface level he didn't ping me on either side himself. he feels so distant from game flow. only small stuff I got were positive like him catching sheep in the 180