Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[sheepsaysmeep]

sorry for spamming 4 posts in a row but it's always really unsatisfying to me to just leave a pagebottom

[Abnegation]

@kkfc - specifically, what seemed off to me is that you asked the question, but it seemed like you already knew where you stood on it and had the evidence to back it up. all of the reasons provided in 1820 were from posts that were made pages and pages ago and there wasn't anything about wheme's response to your question. nothing to suggest it had factored into your read. so it did look pointless.
i wouldn't say it makes me want to scumread or vote your slot yet though, you're null overall for me.

[Abnegation]

sorry for spamming 4 posts in a row but it's always really unsatisfying to me to just leave a pagebottom

i understand this feeling lol.

[KatyKimFanClub]

@kkfc - specifically, what seemed off to me is that you asked the question, but it seemed like you already knew where you stood on it and had the evidence to back it up. all of the reasons provided in 1820 were from posts that were made pages and pages ago and there wasn't anything about wheme's response to your question. nothing to suggest it had factored into your read. so it did look pointless.
i wouldn't say it makes me want to scumread or vote your slot yet though, you're null overall for me.

That's fair. I just saw an opportunity to get him to engage on something that had bothered me for a while and, if you trust me, I'm saying that the timing and my excitement to try something productive is the reasoning behind the wording and perceived weirdness of the interaction.

[Abnegation]

i guess i'll ask the obvious follow-up question - did wheme's response to you impact your read on them in any significant way?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

KKFC why did you put your vote back on Wheme after the unvote?

[Abnegation]

wheme is at e-2 by the way.

[KatyKimFanClub]

i guess i'll ask the obvious follow-up question - did wheme's response to you impact your read on them in any significant way?

No

[KatyKimFanClub]

KKFC why did you put your vote back on Wheme after the unvote?

I'm more confident now than a few days ago that he's inactive and not lurking, but even if I'm unsure of alignment but I figured he's not even a town asset if he's town.

Also I think this is camel's town game but I haven't really built that case on anything more than vibes from Newbie 2125 yet.

[Abnegation]

i guess i'll ask the obvious follow-up question - did wheme's response to you impact your read on them in any significant way?

No

fair enough.

[Aureal]

given deadline unpaused, I'd compromise vote for Wheme but I'd like someone - preferably someone I'm not already townreading - to elaborate on why Wheme is scum over disengaged town

I already indicated earlier that I didn't think highly of this post:

I have no idea how to get into this game a lim on me wouldn't be bad im probably just gonna sheep ranger

I don't think townies are actually very likely to think a lim on them is fine. Basically it gives me vibes like they're going for this defense: "The twin that suggests that they both be killed is the good twin, because the evil twin wouldn't be selfless enough to die to make sure the other one did too. It's like, the oldest trick in the book." /shameless OotS plug

Agreed it feels very anti town to be okay with your own elimination but I think Snivy also said this about himself

Are you referring to 1879? It doesn't really come off the same to include yourself in the pool when you've been an active participant throughout the game and a wagon on you has just kicked off pretty strongly, as opposed to Wheme's comment which occured when there wasn't really any momentum at them and they hadn't really been doing anything.

I can understand your reasoning here about kicking into gear when his own elimination seems possible, but he's voteparked on Ranger which doesn't feel very survivalistic (since that doesn't seem likely to go anywhere) and refused to join a Snivy wagon. Could be in antispew mode ig but that doesn't quite jive with the increased posting rate

Yeah, antispew is pretty much how I'm seeing it. Since they got wagoned for lurking, posting more would seem like it might help duck the wagon, but it might not so they aren't really saying much about others.

[Aureal]

Can we just end the day? I gotta Nightmare to run

So, to make sure I've got this right: you want CSF yeeted here because you think Ranger is scummy and came in to push the Wheme wagon in order to protect her partner CSF. But you don't have any reasoning to provide to support this.

[Aureal]

given deadline unpaused, I'd compromise vote for Wheme but I'd like someone - preferably someone I'm not already townreading - to elaborate on why Wheme is scum over disengaged town

I already indicated earlier that I didn't think highly of this post:

I have no idea how to get into this game a lim on me wouldn't be bad im probably just gonna sheep ranger

I don't think townies are actually very likely to think a lim on them is fine. Basically it gives me vibes like they're going for this defense: "The twin that suggests that they both be killed is the good twin, because the evil twin wouldn't be selfless enough to die to make sure the other one did too. It's like, the oldest trick in the book." /shameless OotS plug

The fact that Wheme posted that, and then sprang to life after they started actually getting a serious wagon like they still want to fend it off, indicates to me that my initial skepticism of their angle was well-justified. Wheme has made nearly twice as many posts in the last few days since the threat of being the flip became serious. They aren't terribly useful posts for the most part, only giving a few reads or thoughts about the game while being more concerned with self-defense. It comes across very much like lurky scum who's making an effort to not be lurky to save themself now that they're at risk, but without giving away too much to avoid spewing info.

This doesn’t make much sense
Would you townread me if I said I was fine with a lim on me and didn’t post at all? Would you townread me if I didn’t defend myself at all?

she just said she thought town was unlikely to think a lim on them was fine (i disagree on that part but that has nothing to do with my point here), so obviously she wouldn't townread you for saying that and then not posting or not defending yourself. i read it as her thinking the first point makes you look scummy and the second one makes you look scummier. i don't know how you get to thinking she would townread you for the first point alone and that response feels a little uncharitable.

Yeah, basically this.

[Doctor Drew]

Can we just end the day? I gotta Nightmare to run

So, to make sure I've got this right: you want CSF yeeted here because you think Ranger is scummy and came in to push the Wheme wagon in order to protect her partner CSF. But you don't have any reasoning to provide to support this.

Uhh, did you quote the wrong post?

I have been adamant the Wheme push is bad and I didn't even mention CSF at all.

[camelCasedSnivy]

Maybe Scum: {Aureal, Wheme, CSF}

can you elaborate on why you think me and aureal are maybe scum?

I think I've explained enough why I think its you

Aureal I don't get a lot of town vibes from unfortunately

[Aureal]

Uhh, did you quote the wrong post?

I have been adamant the Wheme push is bad and I didn't even mention CSF at all.

And yet that's where your vote is, and you're not doing anything other than grousing for the day to end. What other implication do you think people are going to draw from that?

[Doctor Drew]

Uhh, did you quote the wrong post?

I have been adamant the Wheme push is bad and I didn't even mention CSF at all.

And yet that's where your vote is, and you're not doing anything other than grousing for the day to end. What other implication do you think people are going to draw from that?

Did CSF replace Merlyn?

I might have missed that.

[Doctor Drew]

But I mentioned how shit the Wheme push is?

What the fuck are you on about Aureal?

[Doctor Drew]

But I mentioned how shit the Wheme push is?

What the fuck are you on about Aureal?

Oh I got you now, was worded weird.

I thought Merlyn was clear scum, when CSF repped in I was a bit MIA so they haven't made an impression on me as of yet.

Did I even link Ranger and Merlyn together?

[Doctor Drew]

Can we just end the day? I gotta Nightmare to run

So, to make sure I've got this right: you want CSF yeeted here because you think Ranger is scummy and came in to push the Wheme wagon in order to protect her partner CSF. But you don't have any reasoning to provide to support this.

Actually reading this again, please translate.

[Aureal]

You translate 1726 for me, then. It took three days but I thought I finally got it. Guess not! What the heck does it mean?!

[Doctor Drew]

You translate 1726 for me, then. It took three days but I thought I finally got it. Guess not! What the heck does it mean?!

Seems pretty clear.

VC was posted where Merlyn was close to Lim.

Ranger, StD, and Alianna all move off Ranger to Wheme.

Wheme is limbait.

IE, the Wheme push is shit and scum motivated.

Probably all three of these listed are not scum.....but this implicates Merlyn/CSF as scum at the very least.

Now for the love of God, let's lim them and get to the Nightmare so I can work my magic.

[Doctor Drew]

You translate 1726 for me, then. It took three days but I thought I finally got it. Guess not! What the heck does it mean?!

Seems pretty clear.

VC was posted where Merlyn was close to Lim.

Ranger, StD, and Alianna all move off Ranger to Wheme.

Wheme is limbait.

IE, the Wheme push is shit and scum motivated.

Probably all three of these listed are not scum.....but this implicates Merlyn/CSF as scum at the very least.

Now for the love of God, let's lim them and get to the Nightmare so I can work my magic.

*Move off Merlyn, not Ranger

[KatyKimFanClub]

Do you mean not all three of Ranger, StD, and Alianna are scum or they're all not scum? How can the push be scum motivated if none of those three are scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Do you mean not all three of Ranger, StD, and Alianna are scum or they're all not scum? How can the push be scum motivated if none of those three are scum?

I am not saying all three are scum, but the push implicates them as scum......since I believe the sudden switch to Wheme was scum motivated.