Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Abnegation]

Idk I don’t like his posts but I don’t think they come from scum

why do you not think they come from scum?

[WhemeStar]

Because I think he doesn’t say outlandish things like this as scum and tries to post more reserved

[WhemeStar]

He has no need to either

[Radical Rat]

Because I think he doesn’t say outlandish things like this as scum and tries to post more reserved

Is this personal experience, or just a general theory?

[sheepsaysmeep]

Who do u want to lim then whemestar if not ranger

[WhemeStar]

Why not Ranger!!!!

[WhemeStar]

Because I think he doesn’t say outlandish things like this as scum and tries to post more reserved

Is this personal experience, or just a general theory?

General theory based on their completed games

[WhemeStar]

Also I think I’m 90% sure on morning tweet town prob my most confident

[Abnegation]

Because I think he doesn’t say outlandish things like this as scum and tries to post more reserved

Is this personal experience, or just a general theory?

General theory based on their completed games

all of his completed games are towngames so how are you getting anything about what his scumgame looks like?

[WhemeStar]

Because I think he doesn’t say outlandish things like this as scum and tries to post more reserved

Is this personal experience, or just a general theory?

General theory based on their completed games

all of his completed games are towngames so how are you getting anything about what his scumgame looks like?

The loosiness really resembles them, and in one of the games i forget which but I checked them all he said his scum game isn’t as self sacrificial as his town game and I believe that

[Cat Scratch Fever]

<snip>

so what im getting is its weird that my reads are consistent and against the town's general beliefs

how the hell would i manage to get a lim on the people i find scummy if no one is willing to condemn them? not exactly the best scumcaser here but i doubt it would work even if i was

"How would I lim them if no one else finds them scummy"

So Camel might actually believe this, and that's why he's not being vocal about, say universal townread Python. But like, shouldn't that show up in your reads somewhere? Yo u're viewing the gamestate significantly differently from everyone else

It's more than just "You need to vote python" or sum i mean you could like, mention things about what you're reading that everyone else isn't?

I feel like there isn't anything backing up what Camel's reading (Rauth!Scum, Wheme!Scum, CTF!Scum, RandomNurse!town, KKFC!town?)

YES thank you

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Snivy

[Ranger]

You thought WhemeStars 10 one-liner posts was him putting in effort?

No. I said what I meant:
WhemeStar puts more work into each post he makes when scum.

That shouldn't be confused with effort.

More work into each post means each post is carefully crafted. Which is what he's done.

The amount of effort is similar; the amount of care put in differs, and the level of care behind each WhemeStar post is his scum meta.

[Ranger]

I’m Eric I analyze traffic I can target a player and learn if they can communicate with someone outside of game

So I’m pretty sure I’m a cop

I don't believe this is a town roleclaim. I've seen the clarification involved. That's part of why I believe WhemeStar's claim is bogus.

[Ranger]

if Ranger wants to explain theirs on me I’m more than happy to debunk it

I provided the towngame I used earlier.

Let me provide a WhemeStar scumgame.

Check the similarity from this game to the scumgame, contrasted to the towngame.

WhemeStar's posts this game are nearly identical to the scumgame. In the scumgame, he demonstrated an intense level of focus, which in his own words, is because he puts more work into every scum post he makes. There's a total tonality difference. A Town-WhemeStar is lighthearted, casual, and not serious. A scum-WhemeStar is basically all business. A town-WhemeStar doesn't hyperfocus on specific players, whereas a scum-WhemeStar does. In this game, he seems oddly focused on me in a nearly identical way to his odd focus on mastina in the linked scumgame. WhemeStar as town doesn't display confusion about mechanics, yet as scum WhemeStar consistently does. His very method of providing reads is different. As town he basically just speaks his mind, yet as scum he makes deliberate hard statements and provides more grounded reads.

The level of effort is consistent. The amount of thought put into each post is much higher as scum, resulting in more surgical posts.

It doesn't matter if you think the claimed role is town. It's not. It doesn't matter if you think WhemeStar would have scumbuddies help him with his claim if he were scum and believe he didn't get the help. He's scum because he has a strong difference between his towngame and scumgame and is thoroughly in the scum meta this game.

[Ranger]

i don't think that only posting puns = town. i was townreading ranger individually already, but i forget why.

There's a real easy solution to this if you can spare the time.

A real easy solution to remembering why she townread you? You're not peddling some quack substance to enhance memories, are you? :?

Depends, does 'rereading the game' count as a substance?

[Ranger]

I don’t think Ranger is a lazy player

Point of clarity; I

am

a lazy player. I'm a casual tryhard, not a sweaty tryhard. I put in as little work as needed. For you, I used one scumgame and one recent towngame. Both, games I'm familiar with. I did enough work to verify this

is

your scum meta, and no more.

[Ranger]

so Its actually really interesting for me how others are getting confident reads on her. Like ranger's titus is town, or people putting titus is nightmare is something I legit cant get and it feels somewhat forced by some to a degree.

I've a similar yet opposite read on Titus I do to Wheme. Just as WhemeStar isn't in his town meta and is in his scum meta, Titus isn't in her scum meta and

is

in her town meta. I admit to laziness involved; I only read one game I'd prior familiarity with for both. Still, the contrast was rather drastic for Titus.

[Ranger]

What do you think our scumcase on Wheme is? As a hint: You and DragonEater should have the easiest time figuring this case out

I'm intrigued.

It's lurking, right?

Lurking with cross-site activity (You were playing codenames)

I'd also like to remind usesPython about their valid reason to scumread WhemeStar.

This trait isn't one easy to verify looking at past games. Anecdotally though, I'm

fairly

certain WhemeStar hasn't done cross-site activity with lurking in a towngame. I'm quite positive Wheme has done cross-site activity with lurking a scumgame.

While it's not something I consider a true smoking gun, it's a contributing factor. Because WhemeStar needs to put more time into his scum posts, he's more likely to neglect a game thread while active elsewhere if he can't figure out what to say, contrasting his town self not caring.

[Ranger]

"Ranger voting here is one of my biggest

concerns

about this wagon"? Or at least it might be if I had really even registered that she was on it.

A reminder to give credit where it's due. I formed the Merlyn wagon. When I gained doubts, the wagon essentially fell apart. I formed the WhemeStar wagon.

People

are

following me, for better or worse.

They aren't

always

, yet factually they have.

I doubt I've remotely close to perfect reads, yet at least on my WhemeStar scumread, it's a good read. The fact people formed the first wagon since Rautherdir without my involvement is imo, fairly suspect. The general direction of the game, regardless of whether people are willing to admit it, is following in my footsteps. The collapse of the WhemeStar wagon into a camelCasedSnivy wagon is a suspicious diversion from the previous trend.

[Radical Rat]

I'm sorry, the Rautherdir/Snivy wagons are sus because you weren't on them?

If anything, I'd expect you to be worried about scum currying favor with you, not being the Independent Thought Police, what the hell?

[Ranger]

I'm sorry, the Rautherdir/Snivy wagons are sus because you weren't on them?

No.

It's factual I've been ahead of the curb and largely followed. The Rautherdir wagon formed on its own prior to my contributing; once I had, it fell apart. It's not suspect.

The camelCasedSnivy wagon is sus, because it formed on its own when I was contributing, based on prior trends. The WhemeStar wagon vanished without my involvement, the camelCasedSnivy wagon formed without my involvement, and given I've been largely followed throughout the game, I find that particularly sus.

It's certainly no crime to disagree with me. It's alarming to abandon prior stances to flashwagon a player who was previously under zero pressure, in response to a player who's near-certain scum claiming a role.

[Radical Rat]

The fact people formed the first wagon since Rautherdir without my involvement is imo, fairly suspect.

The Rautherdir wagon formed on its own prior to my contributing; once I had, it fell apart. It's not suspect.

So is it suspect or not?

[Ranger]

I feel like you've been doing way to much pre-flip, just shoot the scummiest person d1

I agree with the sentiment.

That player's WhemeStar. He's claimed, sure. He's still the scummiest person D1.

[Ranger]

The fact people formed the first wagon since Rautherdir without my involvement is imo, fairly suspect.

The Rautherdir wagon formed on its own prior to my contributing; once I had, it fell apart. It's not suspect.

So is it suspect or not?

Try reading that again. The Rautherdir wagon isn't suspect. The camelCasedSnivy wagon is.