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[curiouskarmadog]

i would be very surprised if gerain flips scum

either way, I dont think he should be the lim today.

[curiouskarmadog]

@ STD and Emperor

who is scum and why?

[curiouskarmadog]

ALSO, as a point of note (maybe just to myself)

Anyone scumming clidd want to tell me why. Not including reasons that could be applied to half the players?

Yea my pov on the slot right now is that it's a slot I could settle on voting here if the scummier slots in my mind don't work out as wagons, and selfishly if Clidd does flip scum it eases my concerns on Furtive/HEM for a few days since they're both pushing for a Clidd elim right now.

Also my Elements vote has been kinda useless so moving my vote back to somewhere useful.

UNVOTE: Elements
VOTE: Furtive

Anyways we need to start looking at wagons and no one else wants to lead so I'm gonna lay out my preferences for the vote:

I absolute do not want to vote myself/Tweet/Karma

I don't rly wanna vote HEM/Gera

I could vote Emperor/Clidd/StD/Greeting's replacement/Elements

And my current preference, albeit at this point clearly because of feelings/gut over logic, is on Furtive, but if I find or someone else gives a good argument on any of the above I can switch.

Scum is most likely just looking for a PR at this point. The only claim out there is mine (VT...or is it?!?!)

so with several different options, they had to side with someone who is a threat...(or a 100 other reasons)...

someone felt Daisy was a threat.

[curiouskarmadog]

from an older post.

also what was the purpose of the this post. Other than letting everyone know you were posting when he was at -1. Did you really think there was a possibility he was already hammered by this post?


now looking at Tak

I dont care if you align with me. like HEM, I dont know your alignment. you could be with me because you know OD and Ele are town.

what about greeting, you "align" with me there?

I discussed my

wavering Greeting

read already. I care if you align with me. It means

you're noticing the same vibes from oopsie and elements

and in my mind it boosts your town chances way way higher because no one really wanted to approach me on those reads except Oopsie, early on. If I'm alive tommorow the

first thing I'm doing is voting elements so.

you're the one who didn't hammer lol
your narratives are amazing

And? Elements sounds informed on whether Roden is scum or town. As town, I should have hammered why? Because I told someone called monkey I'll do it?

You oopsie and elements have all said the same thing at this point, how very interesting.

If this flips town I'm going to come down hard on you.

heavy suspicion on Ele and OD,

light suspicion on HEM.


going to reread.


Also think it is cute the guy who had heavy suspension saying dont look into the kill.

I imagine that ScumElements in the scum chat said he would say the same thing come Day 2.

Tak also had suspicion of elements.

[curiouskarmadog]

Im going to let the dead, point the way.

VOTE: Elements

[geraintm]

VOTE: Gera

yeah, need more than that from you.

So far from you,
i see you were on the Day 1 wagon which eliminated a townie.

You were on the Furtive wagon day 2 at the start, but you did a really, really weird vote on EmperorFlippyNips when their wagon was getting half serious

and ended up on camelCasedSnivy who also was the end elimination and was also townie.

For those paying attention, the following were on both end wagons

Klick/Save The Dragons
Elements
CuriousKarmaDog

LOL.....

this is cute.

you say cute, i say mortifying.

[geraintm]

"Im going to need more from you"

yes, but give me time. i woke up to the game restarting and did a little post. not my fault that post was usless.

well, it was my fault....

[humaneatingmonkey]

in a world where Elements is scum, i don't think team kills are called solely to protect her from being detected. unless she's some kind of a multitasking high value scum pr time bomb.

elements has already established wild voting history, so being the second to greeting's flashwagon... i doubt scum!elements would still be voting snivy. i think he flips his vote on gerain in order to save her partner. the momentum could have been instantly killed.

I'm not sure how much beaten their morale is. they're all still alive and have low-hanging fruits to attack. i don't think they're eager to bus greeting-slot.

[geraintm]

gerain hallucinating a gamestate and trying to solve from that gamestate? i guess i can read it town. at least he shows being uninformed and scumhunting initiative.

can i read it scum? maybe he's engaged in some high-level play-dumb tactics. I'm not sure that's likely.

guys i think gerain is town.

if anyone can find any evidence i am that good a player to fake that as scum, please and i will see myself out

[geraintm]

more likely than not he is disinterested town.

but at the very best he isnt bringing anything to the table, and the very worst, he is a distraction.

not disinterested, but when i made that post i was sitting with very little info to go on. for once we havent had a whole slew of town sots run up and claims forced from them, so for once the town PRs are keeping their info close to their chest.

I don't mean to be a distraction, and i will be trying to post more today when i see something

[curiouskarmadog]

in a world where Elements is scum, i don't think team kills are called solely to protect her from being detected. unless she's some kind of a multitasking high value scum pr time bomb.

elements has already established wild voting history, so being the second to greeting's flashwagon... i doubt scum!elements would still be voting snivy. i think he flips his vote on gerain in order to save her partner. the momentum could have been instantly killed.

I'm not sure how much beaten their morale is. they're all still alive and have low-hanging fruits to attack. i don't think they're eager to bus greeting-slot.

post 1625 VC
furtiveglance (3): clidd, geraintm, OopsieDaisy
clidd (2): furtiveglance, Save The Dragons
camelCasedSnivy (1): humaneatingmonkey
curiouskarmadog (1): camelCasedSnivy
Emperor flippyNips (1): Elements
Save The Dragons (1): Morning Tweet
OopsieDaisy (1): curiouskarmadog

1628, Elements votes CCS
1644, Elements vote Fur (leading wagon)
1646, HEM you UNVOTE CCS, vote clidd
2(3?) people indicate they could also go CCS.
1661, Elements goes CCS

then the party gets going.

why would he flip is vote to Gera? Gera wasnt leading and there was no other wagon. if he jumped ship and ccs flip scum, he would look horrible. There wasnt much time in the day.. I dont think ElementScum would have jumped.

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay got to go to work,

I think there needs to be pressure on Elements.

WAGON GO

[humaneatingmonkey]

below is just the string of events from yesterday.

css had no votes before this other than karmadog. i was voting css before this but moved to clidd to consolidate. in my opinion, this is a fantastic beatdown of scum by a mob of town. literally no one in this group made it easier for css to escape his situation -- even though they could. and scum didn't have to bus! they had other options before this. it could have been furtive. it could have been clidd. i doubt both is scum.

so yeah. the self-vote is submission because he was smothered by his enemies.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Ccs

Yea I think this is where the day almost has to go with the looming deadline and lack of players around. I see Clidd/Emperor as good alternative wagons due to their inactivity being a detriment to town, but we can get to that if/when we need to.

VOTE: Snivy

VOTE: snivy

yeah, this is okay

im really tempted to vote myself just to continue the chain

std its not okay

VOTE: snivy

yeah, this is okay

Is that E-1?

If so Snivy can we get a claim?

Well either way a claim is probably good since it looks like you're the current execution

I think that's e-2

sorry was at drivers ed

im a Non-Consecutive Night Commuter and I will not be saying if greeting commuted night 1 or not

...not very good at finding scum


my proofreading is strong this morning.

what, because i decided to keep my vote where its at?

yeah, lets start there. why am I scum?

first of all, still didn't explain the VT thing. another thing that stuck out to me in your posts is that you REALLY don't like to have townreads. and last thing is I trust that greeting knows what the fuck they're doing

For a heavily scum read player, not useful

My vote stays then

For a heavily scum read player, not useful

literally no pr is

idk if my replacee ever crumbed my role but I couldn't find it

For a heavily scum read player, not useful

literally no pr is

Disagree
More powerful PRs that are more easily confirmable and/or more disruptive for scum are still useful. Potentially luring a scum kill for less info for a cop claim, or saving a kill for a doc claim for example.
Commuter literally exists to protect itself so you're never going to be a scum kill as a commuter than if you were a cop.

I feel like there's not to much to lose with a commuter. Besides, I'm not seeing anything towny in the nature of the claim.

VOTE: Camelcasedsnivy

I think that's E-1.

well dont see why literally any of you guys committed to my slot but if yall are super glued to your votes then I might do the honors myself

Pseudo vote: Camel/Greeting

Commuter is a scum claim

Pseudo vote: Camel/Greeting

Commuter is a scum claim

I will respect it

VOTE: snivy

[humaneatingmonkey]

why would he flip is vote to Gera? Gera wasnt leading and there was no other wagon. if he jumped ship and ccs flip scum, he would look horrible. There wasnt much time in the day.. I dont think ElementScum would have jumped.

gera was an option, though not in votes. the general mood of people was they would be okay with gera leaving. like i said there could also be furtive and clidd, which i doubt both are scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

btw, I like Day 3 HEM's contribution more than Day 2's

I dont think I agree with you, but like the contribution.

[humaneatingmonkey]

1628, Elements votes CCS
1644, Elements vote Fur (leading wagon)
1646, HEM you UNVOTE CCS, vote clidd
2(3?) people indicate they could also go CCS.
1661, Elements goes CCS

then the party gets going.

this is why i don't think he would have done it. people were trying to consolidate. he didn't need to promote the wagon of his partner. furtive was a very viable elimination, so was clidd. elements played it town there imo.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i purposely shut up day 2

[curiouskarmadog]

well, I think there is AT LEAST one scum in this group.

going to start my read with this pool

Roden (7):

Klick, clidd, Elements, humaneatingmonkey

, OopsieDaisy, curiouskarmadog, Takutai

both Daisy and Tak had HEAVY suspicion of Elements.


I think this Elements (and/or clidd) should have some pressure applied to them today.

[curiouskarmadog]

i purposely shut up day 2

I figured.

at the end of the game, we can discuss why. I am legitimately curious, but dont want to now.

[Elements]

Daisy did not have heavy suspicion of me

[Elements]

I don't think she even scum read me

[Elements]

I am down for an elimination from this pool: {

Emperor flippyNips

,

curiouskarmadog

,

Klick

,

geraintm

}. This group has got to have some scum in it.

Anyone got thoughts about this pool?

[curiouskarmadog]

I don't think she even scum read me

she didnt? huh.

I could vote Emperor/Clidd/StD/Greeting's replacement/Elements

What's stuck in my head is there are two players who were on that flash wagon in 2302 who turned onto Gera in a very similar fashion this game. Tweet and Elements. I townread Tweet, sooo this seems like a good place to vote right now.

UNVOTE: Furtive
VOTE: Elements

Daisy do you actually scum me or are you justing voting me to see how I react?

Daisy do you actually scum me or are you justing voting me to see how I react?

Why do these two have to be mutually exclusive? It's a bit of both, amongst other motivations.

I mean you asked her the question yesterday and she said she did.

so are you just acting like you didnt know?

[curiouskarmadog]

what is the purpose of this post?

I am down for an elimination from this pool: {

Emperor flippyNips

,

curiouskarmadog

,

Klick

,

geraintm

}. This group has got to have some scum in it.

Anyone got thoughts about this pool?

if there is someone in particular you want to answer it?

You are currently voting Ger, but what are your thoughts on the REST of that pool?

[Elements]

They don't, I just don't believe you think I'm scum

I've already stated I didn't think Daisy was scumming me.

Or did you miss this while building a case on me?