Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Radical Rat]

I mean, everyone else in that list could make the same argument. Except usesPython given we're pretty sure they were the night kill target that first night.


... ACTUALLY. We're still missing whoever force put Drew into the Nightmare. Is there any overlap between people who were active then and people who were in Kirigiri's list? (I ask because I am too occupied to look myself right now...)

This is an EXCELLENT question that I will be looking into immediately

[Radical Rat]

There is not.

[Radical Rat]

Flea, me, DragonEater, and Ranger were the active parties.

Of those four, I was the only one in the proposal, but. I obviously know I didn't do it, and I think there's enough actual evidence to dispel any possible doubts on me as well.

[Rautherdir]

Considering we have a flipped mason now, then yeah, I'd say that makes your claim pretty believable. Unfortunate though. Maybe I should check for associatives between those active people and Titus/Kirigiri/the other people on kirigiri's list.

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Ircher

Is this OMGUS, or is there an actual reason you're voting me here?

... I'm going to look at something first, I might have an actual reason for this vote. Right now treat it as OMGUS though.

You are a riot mate

[Morning Tweet]

Sorry, I don't think I was clear about what I was asking. Rat already went over that aspect

What I'm curious about is that you say "preferably me but aureal's kindness was a LITERAL scum move)" and clarify that you mean "because at the time I thought kyoko was giving me a chance, but since they were literally scum and that putting me in was some kind of pocket? I called it a literal scum move", but how is that information relevant now? Kyoko has already flipped scum. Whether it was a pocket or not doesn't really matter now because Kyoko is dead and is flipped scum, so it seems pointless to point that out here.

Sorry, I don't think I was clear about what I was asking. Rat already went over that aspect

What I'm curious about is that you say "preferably me but aureal's kindness was a LITERAL scum move)" and clarify that you mean "because at the time I thought kyoko was giving me a chance, but since they were literally scum and that putting me in was some kind of pocket? I called it a literal scum move", but how is that information relevant now? Kyoko has already flipped scum. Whether it was a pocket or not doesn't really matter now because Kyoko is dead and is flipped scum, so it seems pointless to point that out here.

because the pool of the odd ones out (me std and abne) could all be mafia and it wouldn't make sense to put me or abne in the nightmare when we are both in said pool

I maintain we are putting too much weight in the "at least one maf in Kyoko's nightmare pool" hypothesis. But I've definitely put forth more tenuous stuff than that this game so if people believe in it I'll stand back.

On the other hand, 2713 and then it's backtrack in 2716 seem off to me. Maybe it's the wording but isn't the whole point of relevance based on the fact that Kyoko is now dead and role-revealed?

Ircher is getting to the heart of the matter very towny

We're solving off of Kyoko's nightmare proposal, as in she would have likely put one scum in? That's interesting i agree that is being taken too heavily into consideration right now

[Rautherdir]

I think it's a good place to start looking for associatives, but I would strongly advise against using the list as the be all end all. I don't remember kirigiri actually promoting their list that much, plus I believe there were already proposals that featured known scum members in high running.

[Rautherdir]

Plus. People were using proposals as ways of listing off town reads, which would have different logic for scum formulating.

[Morning Tweet]

Camel's focusing on his interaction with Kyoko a lot. I think that's important

Camel, why do you call it a misfortune that Kyoko put you in her nightmare proposal? More like, why did it strike you so much that Kyoko put you in her nightmare that it seemed relevant for today's nightmare

Nah I think Camel is town though i think thats a real thought process


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I do not think we should try to read off Kyoko's proposal although its kind of tempting....

PROS: Kyoko made the proposal before knowing she'd die (she did the proposal the day b4 while talking to dragon)
CONS: Scum

So i mean it could be useful actually maybe

Looking at it , Doctor Drew, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons, Radical Rat

I think thats all town excecpt i dont think i have a read on dragons

Dragons also thought Wheme was probably town. Not that it tells me anything

I think Dragons being right and posting indignantly is a good thing (2495) /shrug

I like that for all town or 1 scum ... Camel thought that too, why would it be unfortunate to be in kyoko's pool? because you're being pockited?

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I kinda get why you'd look at Kyokos proposal Rauth i didnt think it was that far back .

[Rautherdir]

Even then it would still be odd for scum to make a list of town reads and not have any partners on it. Not out of the question, but.

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Flea

I'm usually wrong when I vote Flea but Dragon's convinced me, this time.

I do remember Flea having certain catch up posts that usually go alongside faer game, they're missing. I've never played with Flea!Scum, ergo big money elimination?

[Morning Tweet]

Even then it would still be odd for scum to make a list of town reads and not have any partners on it. Not out of the question, but.

I do this as scum a fair bit. In fact i dont think any scum got into the nightmare last game, at least some sscum had to have been proposing town

But.. yea

[Rautherdir]

... hmm. Actually. Was pushing Ranger risky enough for Kirigiri to assume it might backfire and get them eliminated instead... That might change things...

[Rautherdir]

Kirigiri wanted a 1v1 with Ranger, I remember that. Hmm.

[Radical Rat]

Even then it would still be odd for scum to make a list of town reads and not have any partners on it. Not out of the question, but.

I do this as scum a fair bit. In fact i dont think any scum got into the nightmare last game, at least some sscum had to have been proposing town

But.. yea

I went to check, and while it is true that no scum made it in (except you, but no Mafia at least), All of the scum who were voting were voting for at least one scum member. Kawaii and Empath were voting for each other and themselves, and Meg voted for themself. Clone wasn't voting for Nightmares.

Nightmare voting and functionality was slightly different that game, and none of these players returned, so I don't know how transferable that is... but it's certainly not a point against scum wanting to be in

[KatyKimFanClub]

Kinda interesting that Kyoko's original push on Ranger was the argument that the Doctor Drew puns were traitor signaling. I wonder if there's anything else Kyoko posted that might betray some extra knowledge that only scum would have. Will do a rereading tomorrow.

[Ranger]

... hmm. Actually. Was pushing Ranger risky enough for Kirigiri to assume it might backfire and get them eliminated instead... That might change things...

Doubtful. Kyoko Kirigiri didn't receive votes for her push on me. At most, one or two. Even I never voted her, and I was the one pushing her.

She near-certainly believed she'd live.

[Radical Rat]

I think Ranger was a relatively safe push to make at the time, yeah. Most people tend to gloss over wallfights and go "Eh, probably TvT" I think.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah, like I townread Kirigiri for trying to 1v1 Ranger given... Ranger was widely townread at the time.

[DragonEater70]

Um.
I somehow missed the entirety of D2.

From looking at Korina's ISO I think I understand what happened, but lemmie do a quick catch up anyway.

[Rautherdir]

Tl;dr: One town person got shot by our mason miller vig, Drew was an elite bodyguard that took out Titus while saving someone else. Kirigiri got given an invention of bulletproof mason, but didn't get it properly, and thus was proven to be scum and eliminated. And now we're at today...

[DragonEater70]

Wait I feel so confused. Radical Rat claimed mason and then scum killed the OTHER mason? How tf does that work?

[DragonEater70]

Anyhow, I think I spent enough time not playing this game due to being a numbskull that cannot manage his own time well, that I could be dubbed a "lurker" and I wouldn't even dispute it.
I think I need to become a whole lot more active. Let's go!

[DragonEater70]

also am I allowed to complain about not getting a night start PM for N2? Thanks so much. Done venting.

[DragonEater70]

Okay based on D3 play only I am thinking that Ircher is quite scummy. I will make a full case later on today, but for now you can have my vote.

VOTE: Ircher