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[Flavor Leaf]

ok fl first things are first

if you think osuka is actually town, why?

The way they reacted under pressure is not a scum Osuka.

what is town osuka and what is wolf osuka

what purpose does Osuka as a wolf have to react the way they did? it makes no sense.

What is it you're exactly referring to?

the dumb aggro is not coming from scum

like im not positive positive, but enough for me to not really want it day 1.

dumb aggro can be from scum, but it was just dumb dumb aggro if theyre scum

I am missing context and posts

i dont care enough to defend them level with posts, but enough to not want to vote there myself.

is the level of defense im gonna give them.

[Flavor Leaf]

that's a silly deal because then even if Norwegian is scum, it just trades 1 for 1.

Isnt that a positive deal for us (town) anyway.

Even in the worst case scenario of me being wrong on all of Nurse (Scum), Alisae (Scum), FL (Scum, although im doubting it now), and Norwee (Town). Then im not being useful to town anyway.

it's day 1. if you're talking and analyzing, you're useful.

who cares if your reads are wrong day 1, as long as they arent by end of the game.

[Sakura Hana]

If Alisae doesnt take this deal then im going to take it as an admision of a supposedly town them being wrong on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like regardless of the Nurse flip I think I'm just a better investigation check than Sakura

Why? I think i'm a better investigation check since literally half the lobby thinks im scum.

Because you're bleeding townieness all over this game, and I want Hu Tao to do literally anything else besides popping in every 35.9 hours just to say they might vote me

Well half the lobby seems to disagree with you on me "bleeding towniness all over this game".
But i appreciate it.

This lobby is too scared to vote anyone loud, it's all just talk. Leaf is probably the only one willing to effort case you and I don't think it's a priority atm + you'll come off as a lot townier if Nurse does flip red.

this is why I'm pro a Nurse wagon.

I think the majority of people on the wagon get townier because of it if they flip scum. Fire or Osuka is the bus if there is a bus, doesn't have to be.

and if they're town, then Sakura gets investigated and dealt with that way.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Alisae doesnt take this deal then im going to take it as an admision of a supposedly town them being wrong on me.

i wouldn't take the deal.

like zero reason to self vote after, thats just manipulative.

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont get the purpose as either alignment of the deal.

[Flavor Leaf]

if you want to give Alisae the chance, give them the chance, if they're right, just congratulate them, no need to self vote if they're right. that's just silly.

[Alisae]

ok fl first things are first

if you think osuka is actually town, why?

The way they reacted under pressure is not a scum Osuka.

what is town osuka and what is wolf osuka

what purpose does Osuka as a wolf have to react the way they did? it makes no sense.

What is it you're exactly referring to?

the dumb aggro is not coming from scum

like im not positive positive, but enough for me to not really want it day 1.

dumb aggro can be from scum, but it was just dumb dumb aggro if theyre scum

I am missing context and posts

i dont care enough to defend them level with posts, but enough to not want to vote there myself.

is the level of defense im gonna give them.

I mean I think them asking if I am a miller is genuinely suspicious and them playing it off as a reaction test that wasn't really well thought out is also suspicious.
I don't rly get what people see in this player that's townie and I think there are a lot of other players that are just way more townie than osuka

[Flavor Leaf]

ok fl first things are first

if you think osuka is actually town, why?

The way they reacted under pressure is not a scum Osuka.

what is town osuka and what is wolf osuka

what purpose does Osuka as a wolf have to react the way they did? it makes no sense.

What is it you're exactly referring to?

the dumb aggro is not coming from scum

like im not positive positive, but enough for me to not really want it day 1.

dumb aggro can be from scum, but it was just dumb dumb aggro if theyre scum

I am missing context and posts

i dont care enough to defend them level with posts, but enough to not want to vote there myself.

is the level of defense im gonna give them.

I mean I think them asking if I am a miller is genuinely suspicious and them playing it off as a reaction test that wasn't really well thought out is also suspicious.
I don't rly get what people see in this player that's townie and I think there are a lot of other players that are just way more townie than osuka

that's fair. I looked back at their ISO and saw that.

I think that mightve been before I realized you were Miller too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sakura looks like she's trying to find a way off the Random wagon for some reason, but i just dont get the reason either way

[Sakura Hana]

So anyway, back to Nurse.
Nurse is NOT town.

The case isnt about activity, the lack of activity is WHY i've taken so long coz I wanted to give them time to do something in case i was wrong.
Nothing happened, they've done nothing.
And what did they do when they posted? "Oh im being limmed for inactivity".
How do they know this? And more importantly if they are active enough to know they are being limmed even if they thought is for activity means they are reading, why not do something else? like "X is still scum" or "X is town for Y".
Doesnt seem to be following their supposed town meta.

Was waiting to see their answer because if they were gonna be around then i could engage them and ask them questions but dissapeared again.

This leaves us with the issue of why didnt they do anything when they were here.
Either A) They are too busy to read the thread, then why did they know or assume why they were being eliminated. Possible: A scum partner told them to react.
or B) They were reading... but then why did they do that, if they had time to read enough to notice that, then why not drop a read on someone.

This is mostly what i'm concerned about regarding Nurse atm.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura looks like she's trying to find a way off the Random wagon for some reason, but i just dont get the reason either way

lol no

[Sakura Hana]

If anything im trying to drum up more support for it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it's fair for them to see a wagon on themselves, and knowing they havent been around, to assume its for inactivity.

Still think it's the right fade.

[Flavor Leaf]

then move past the deal, no deal was taken.

[JasonWazza]

Vanilla Townie
Vanilla townie
Vanilla townie
Town Miller
Town Miller
Town Miller
Town Miller
Town Desperate Neighborizer*
Town Multitasking Two-Shot Doctor Two-Shot Roleblocker
Town Rolecop
Town backup rolecop

Informed Mafia Goon (No Alignment Cops In Game)
Mafia WillBooster
Mafia Goon

This was a 4 Miller game, BooneyToonz, but it's pretty Normal esque. Desperate acts like Weak or Disloyal that also goes through on Millers.

You realize this doesn't help your case in that the Mafia was informed right?

I feel like Mafia have been informed of something (eg. no role cops, no alignment cops, there is a miller, something of this sort that gives them information to this effect) and that you and Alisae are making a play with this information.

I did look through the archive, and notice that it ends a few years ago, so that's not really as helpful as I would have liked.

If NORMAL games have gotten rather wacky as time has gone on from the archive, I can kinda see this being a setup, but otherwise it feels like a play.

[Flavor Leaf]

At this point I'm caught up reading.

I'm Townreading Sakura and Alisae due to Scumhunting and engagement, but I am a bit apprehensive because they are voting Dunnstral who hasn't even posted anything yet.

Flavorleaf I can't tell either way.

Hu Tao I'm slightly Townreading.

Mikhail is bizarre. He's not playing to help Town, but he's not necessarily Scum either. Can't read him. He did mention getting policy limmed in a prior game: I'd want to know his alignment in that game.

Osuka slot gives me gut Scum vibes, because he's basically reacting to Mikhail's bizarreness but isn't doing much else, which makes me wonder why.

Dunnstral hasn't posted yet so I can't even form a read.

The rest are Null (Jason, Takuta, Roden, Fire).

I'd like Osuka to actually do something other than react to Mikhail. What are your reads?

VOTE: Osuka

this is the post i didnt really like by Random that really set me off this way.

Everything felt so fabricated like they were positioning their reads.

[Takutai]

Flavor you're either scum or actively sabotaging town at this point and I don't think I really care which. I'd rather hammer flavor leaf over random nurse because right now I'm seeing him as an obstacle to get where we need to get.

[Sakura Hana]

I think it's fair for them to see a wagon on themselves, and knowing they havent been around, to assume its for inactivity.

Still think it's the right fade.

Dunno if it's what i'd assume, but fair point i guess.
If i hadn't been around i'd probably ask why im being wagoned instead of assuming things.

[Alisae]

ok fl first things are first

if you think osuka is actually town, why?

The way they reacted under pressure is not a scum Osuka.

what is town osuka and what is wolf osuka

what purpose does Osuka as a wolf have to react the way they did? it makes no sense.

What is it you're exactly referring to?

the dumb aggro is not coming from scum

like im not positive positive, but enough for me to not really want it day 1.

dumb aggro can be from scum, but it was just dumb dumb aggro if theyre scum

I am missing context and posts

i dont care enough to defend them level with posts, but enough to not want to vote there myself.

is the level of defense im gonna give them.

I mean I think them asking if I am a miller is genuinely suspicious and them playing it off as a reaction test that wasn't really well thought out is also suspicious.
I don't rly get what people see in this player that's townie and I think there are a lot of other players that are just way more townie than osuka

that's fair. I looked back at their ISO and saw that.

I think that mightve been before I realized you were Miller too.

anyway look bro let's say you're right osuka is town
what the fuck is going on in this game

[Flavor Leaf]

Vanilla Townie
Vanilla townie
Vanilla townie
Town Miller
Town Miller
Town Miller
Town Miller
Town Desperate Neighborizer*
Town Multitasking Two-Shot Doctor Two-Shot Roleblocker
Town Rolecop
Town backup rolecop

Informed Mafia Goon (No Alignment Cops In Game)
Mafia WillBooster
Mafia Goon

This was a 4 Miller game, BooneyToonz, but it's pretty Normal esque. Desperate acts like Weak or Disloyal that also goes through on Millers.

You realize this doesn't help your case in that the Mafia was informed right?

I feel like Mafia have been informed of something (eg. no role cops, no alignment cops, there is a miller, something of this sort that gives them information to this effect) and that you and Alisae are making a play with this information.

I did look through the archive, and notice that it ends a few years ago, so that's not really as helpful as I would have liked.

If NORMAL games have gotten rather wacky as time has gone on from the archive, I can kinda see this being a setup, but otherwise it feels like a play.

i dont believe I ever talked about Mafia being informed or not.

I'm also not really caring, end of the day, im not the one that makes sense to fake miller claim as scum if scum were gonna fake it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor you're either scum or actively sabotaging town at this point and I don't think I really care which. I'd rather hammer flavor leaf over random nurse because right now I'm seeing him as an obstacle to get where we need to get.

yes, it's me, me alone. Not the other 4 people on the wagon you are ignoring.

[Sakura Hana]

anyway look bro let's say you're right osuka is town
what the fuck is going on in this game

Who are your townreads right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor you're either scum or actively sabotaging town at this point and I don't think I really care which. I'd rather hammer flavor leaf over random nurse because right now I'm seeing him as an obstacle to get where we need to get.

i'm not even the one who got the wagon moving. only person who sheeped me was osuka.

Where's your heat for Sakura? She got Firebringer and Roden to follow her onto it.

You're targeting me for pushing when there are 4 other people doing so.

[Roden]

The wackiest Normal set up I've played in was a Pooky game with nearly unintelligble roles, three Millers doesn't feel all that wacky in comparison