Mini Normal 2306: Game Over

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Random Nurse (4):

Flavor Leaf, osuka, Firebringer, Roden

Firebringer (3):

Hu Tao, sheepsaysmeep, JasonWazza

NorwegianboyEE (1):

Alisae

Alisae (1):

NorwegianboyEE

Flavor Leaf (1):

Takutai

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Random Nurse, Sakura Hana

notes

• Firebringer is V/LA through 27^th August.
  
• The combined mod ISO is here.

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:14:00)

[Firebringer]

btw if i was a cop i think i would check osuka tonight

thats the only way you can figure out my alignment pre-flip, so props to you for realizing it

I might need to cop u twice just to be sure tho

[Sakura Hana]

so, you know, what the fuck?

[Random Nurse]

Ok, wasnt really planning to tryhard this game, just wanted a nice relaxing game to come back and get back into the swing of things, but with how things are going this game, it seems i'm going to have to do something about it as it feels like there's a chance scum are controlling the game right now.

On the subject of Random Nurse

You probably saw me mention it a few times already, but RN left us a really nice self-meta on their first post:

Meta Data

Just a heads-up: I typically struggle on Day 1 due to not having anything tangible to work with.

I work as a strictly nocturnal night nurse, so am asleep during the day. I also work 60-72 hours each week

As Town I am free to be aggressive because I legitimately don't know who is what, and I don't care about self-preservation.

As Scum I struggle to emulate the above play and frequently try to force myself to forget my role.

As Town I work best by consistent extreme engagement to generate content: it's extremely easy to do as Town and a chore for me to do as Scum because I already have insider knowledge and I'm a terrible liar. As Town it's extremely easy for me to make free-flowing-thought posts on a dime.

I don't quickhammers and appreciate intent to hammer being made first. At this point on I don't quickhammer and instead will announce intent to claim.

I prefer NOT to play using readslists due to my severe time constraints. It's easier for me to tell you how I feel about a player, and as Town if you ask me I should be able to tell you fairly soon how I honestly feel about them. If it takes awhile then I'm possibly Scum.

On Day 1 expect me to be playing based solely on gut reads and gut vibes: I have no tangible evidence to work with.

I'm making it a habit to post this post first at the start of each game, and then start reading.

My main issue with random nurse is that they dont feel aggresive as they mention, while they mention that as scum they struggle to emulate it. I've been giving them a lot of room considering we're reaching the end of deadline, just in case they are legit busy. After their first string of posts then they go into do almost nothing mode as i mentioned before:

VOTE: Random Nurse

Yeah, forgot about them, and then dont like ISO either, and remember them pinging me with the town read on Sakura and Alisae, yet 'FL is a mystery'

seems like a positioning tactic

I support this vote but not for these reasons, but they seemed to be active at first until they got stonewalled by Takutai and then they dissapeared off the thread in terms of sorting.

Spoiler: quotes

Am I crazy or does anyone else here notice that Takutai outright ignores my question?

miki's towns are calling each other town, yaaay~

alisae n sakura hana kinda look like mafia partners in some worlds too yin thinks? probably past history but interactions feel just a lil off

we wanna be buds flavor leaf!

random nurse looks town too at this point? umm, is this game just really easy or something? weird, i have autowin

Is this the same Mikhail?

Is this the same Mikhail?

They are a plural system. I believe Yin is posting right now

Like a Hydra?

I thought those weren't allowed in Normal games?

Votecount 1.7

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Takutai (6)

E-1

:

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

Is it possible you could keep those who are not voting separate and at the bottom, please?

Also, despite Takutai being unwilling to explain himself when I asked him a simple question on why he found those two other players Scummy, I don't really see any reason why he's already at L-1. It seems way too easy to me.

UNVOTE: osuka

Rereading Takutai's ISO.

Is everything RN's done in the last 2 IRL days.
VOTE: Real Nurse

After which, they went V/LA and i went "Okay, maybe they are legit busy, i'll see what happens when they come back", so i kept waiting for their V/LA to end, which was supposed to be Sunday morning, on when the posted this:

I'll be poking my head in tonight.

This happened at sunday morning in my timezone so i was under the assumption this was them ending their V/LA and saying they'd post during the night. After which i waited for a post during the night, and... nothing since then.

Could potentially give them more time, but the clock is ticking, and i'm not sure if they stalling until night 1 at this point or just legit busy.

On the subject of Alisae

I keep flip flopping here a lot, but what set me off mostly was when I was trying to reaction test RN, at... sunday night where i assumed is when they would be reading/catching up, and this happens:

Well since FL didnt reply i'll just do it then. Sorry it took a bit.

Dayvig: Random Nurse

when you're so desperate you're faking dayvigs

Like why, why interrupt me from trying to get anything?, They seem to townread Nurse, but despite me commenting on my read being partly based on their first post's self-meta at least moer than once, doesnt seem to be engaging me on it either, feels like they are trying to bury it out or something.

Mostly going by these weird connection i'm seeing between Alisae and RN, but i do admit, i'm not that sure on Alisae being scum, their pivot onto Norwee that came out of the blue and flipped their read is nothing short of suspicious and i dunno if it's something Alisae would do as scum.

On the subject on Flavor Leaf.

Being honest here, literally the only reason i have for this is how he suddenly agrees with Alisae on Norwee, maybe this is some Level 100 play i'm not seeing coz i'm a noob at this game, but it gives me weird feelings about it all the same.

End words

I'm not expecting people to follow my intuition or logic here, since i'm bad at explaining things anyway and i'm not into faking confidence to get my scumreads pushed, but i figured it's better if i let my thoughts out than keep them to myself.

VOTE: Random Nurse

Yeah, so, uh, I should probably tell you more about my personal life because it makes everything make sense. I work a sh*t-ton of hours as a stepdown/ICU nurse, and after work I'm typically a dead husk the night after (I work nights). And that night I said I was going to poke my head in I legit fell asleep at night too and was out cold for another 8 hours. I had worked 10 out of 11 12-hour shifts. So yeah, I'm working like a fiend: ask a nurse how relaxed they feel the day/night after.

I really need to amend that yellow meta post because it is NOT accounting for the wear and tear these shifts and classes are doing to me. WHEN I HAVE TIME AND ENERGY I like to get really into the game and start going nuts with engagement: my main is from 2013 and I COULD share it but I'm not sure that would break any rules. I should amend it to note that my strength is---when I can do it---get really aggressive and into the game. If you want a hint I modded one of the largest games in this site.

[Sakura Hana]

Either way, i havent played with RN before so im basing this entirely off their 1st post self-meta but.
He seems engaged enough and answering questions about people.
So he is actually indeed playing to their town meta now.

If he is scum then either:
He learned to imitate their town meta or
Has a team-mate writing them essays in the scum PT of what to post for different types of questions.
This is why i asked hi about different ppl and about other situations in the game, just in case.

I think occam's razor says he's just town

[Sakura Hana]

my main is from 2013 and I COULD share it but I'm not sure that would break any rules.

Mentioning who your main is isnt against the rules last i remember, it's up to everyone whether they want to have their alts anonymous or not. I havent been on the site in over a year and a half tho.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: osuka

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: osuka

See, now that's interesting.

Why Osuka currently?

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: osuka

See, now that's interesting.

Why Osuka currently?

Partly gut, Partly because i dont know where else to go, and partly coz it's Tak's scumread and i townread them, so i wanna see where this goes. This game is a mess rn.

[Sakura Hana]

The deadline isnt helping so i'll compromise on someone else if need be.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess it's possible fire is scum too.
It's kinda weird that it's been 87 pages and i dont townread them hard yet.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: osuka

See, now that's interesting.

Why Osuka currently?

Partly gut, Partly because i dont know where else to go, and partly coz it's Tak's scumread and i townread them, so i wanna see where this goes. This game is a mess rn.

Correct me if you mentioned this before but exactly how well do you know Flavor's Scum meta?

[Firebringer]

I guess it's possible fire is scum too.
It's kinda weird that it's been 87 pages and i dont townread them hard yet.

don't see why you would at this point

[Sakura Hana]

Correct me if you mentioned this before but exactly how well do you know Flavor's Scum meta?

I'm not good for reading meta, but i've played as town vs scum him, as scum vs town him, as town with town him (i think?), and as scum with him twice (although one was a reaaaaaaaally long time ago when he played as boonskies).

[Random Nurse]

Correct me if you mentioned this before but exactly how well do you know Flavor's Scum meta?

I'm not good for reading meta, but i've played as town vs scum him, as scum vs town him, as town with town him (i think?), and as scum with him twice (although one was a reaaaaaaaally long time ago when he played as boonskies).

And, so?

What should we know about Scum!Flavor?

Is it possible he could be Scum this game?

[Random Nurse]

Is it just me, or does Roden's vote seem rather opportunistic?

[Firebringer]

Is it just me, or does Roden's vote seem rather opportunistic?

and mine isn't?

[Sakura Hana]

I haven't played mafia in so long that i probably forgot everyone's meta. Also for the best since I think I wanted to move away from that.

But if you wanna know my opinion he got a very wide scum-range and not out of it yet. But he's the type of person that would strategize in a scum PT, his strength lies in fake claiming. Which is why it's possible he's tied up himself with the Miller fake claim, so it's more likely he's not fake claiming.

[Random Nurse]

I'm pretty sure at least ONE person on my wagon is Scum.

Looking at Roden, Firebringer, and Flavorleaf. Osuka I don't think his vote makes much sense but I'm thinking he could be Town.

[Sakura Hana]

I've seen him at least 2 times fake claim something that can generate information, whether it be to push a miselim, or to protect a partner (and im not discounting bus a partner). Miller fake claim doesnt leave him room to do much, so that's why.

[Random Nurse]

Is it just me, or does Roden's vote seem rather opportunistic?

and mine isn't?

It does seem rather opportunistic too, tbh.

[Firebringer]

Is it just me, or does Roden's vote seem rather opportunistic?

and mine isn't?

It does seem rather opportunistic too, tbh.

Ohh good. Wouldn't want roden to outshine me.
Did u check out my previous scum game yet

[Random Nurse]

Is it just me, or does Roden's vote seem rather opportunistic?

and mine isn't?

It does seem rather opportunistic too, tbh.

Ohh good. Wouldn't want roden to outshine me.
Did u check out my previous scum game yet

Yeah, and I noticed that was your Town game, bucko.

[Firebringer]

that can't be right, im never town

[Random Nurse]

I'm feeling like it's really hard this game to try to suss out Scum because so many of the players are bringing good Townish play. So, as I read it, this means that it's likely there's Scum that knows how to look very Town this game. So as Town how do you navigate this game when there's so many Townish players?