Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[KatyKimFanClub]

Ok, I can see a lot of the suspicion directed towards me now.

[usesPython]

... thinking about it KKFC is probably the better choice to flip here then Ircher. I don't see how KKFC's claimed role can exist at the same time as cult without near-invalidating the amount of TA power we've seen.

We had 4 masons and 4 scum, this is kind of a really bad take tbh

[KatyKimFanClub]

Especially because the Backrooms is like *the* example of a liminal space?

[Rautherdir]

With the claims and flips we've seen so far, and assuming 4 group+a recruitable traitor scum, night 2 there is a potential for 5 scum in pt, four masons, plus three or four people from KKFC's role (which admittedly can overlap with the previous groups) for a potential total of 10-13 players in PTs, with up to 17 total people alive if no night kills. Add a cult on top of that and you easily get potentially every living player in a PT on night two, which invalidates TAs completely. And I'm not even factoring in the Nightmare.

[Rautherdir]

Especially because the Backrooms is like *the* example of a liminal space?

It was also literally the name of the cult pt in the previous game.

[KatyKimFanClub]

I guess I should say I think Ircher is either fake claiming, or KKFC is cult.

Would it make you feel better if we flipped Ircher and then directed town investigations towards me?

[usesPython]

Especially because the Backrooms is like *the* example of a liminal space?

It was also literally the name of the cult pt in the previous game.

No that's wrong, the cult PT was the Liminal Space PT, The Backrooms was a separate neighborhood

[KatyKimFanClub]

Beyond an investigation clearing me, it can also clear sheep from being cult since I've alien'ed him twice.

[usesPython]

We don't think KKFC is Cult Leader or Mafia, he's a bad flip rn imo

[Rautherdir]

The TAs would only be useful on night one potentially if we have a cult as well, which. I don't think would happen.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Well, the way I see it, there's basically no way an Alarmist role is going to exist without a cult, so maybe it's worth flipped Ircher to figure that out? He only has one shot left anyways.

[KatyKimFanClub]

I also just suspect the passive redirect thing to be a scum power in this setup.

[Save The Dragons]

Was there an alarmist in game 1

[usesPython]

With the claims and flips we've seen so far, and assuming 4 group+a recruitable traitor scum, night 2 there is a potential for 5 scum in pt, four masons, plus three or four people from KKFC's role (which admittedly can overlap with the previous groups) for a potential total of 10-13 players in PTs, with up to 17 total people alive if no night kills. Add a cult on top of that and you easily get potentially every living player in a PT on night two, which invalidates TAs completely. And I'm not even factoring in the Nightmare.

You're forgetting that it forces people to claim they're in a PT and also that a no PT result is basically the greenest check you can get this game

[Rautherdir]

Especially because the Backrooms is like *the* example of a liminal space?

It was also literally the name of the cult pt in the previous game.

No that's wrong, the cult PT was the Liminal Space PT, The Backrooms was a separate neighborhood

Uh, cult win con from previous game is:

You win if all players not aligned with you are dead; if all living players are in The Backrooms PT; or if either situation is impossible to prevent.

Or is that mod error there mentioning the wrong pt...

[KatyKimFanClub]

VOTE: Ircher

[usesPython]

Was there an alarmist in game 1

No but I did find something interesting:

Spoiler: Flea The Magician

Voidfiend Bloodhound

Strange Dreams Mafia

Welcome, Flea The Magician! You are a

Voidfiend Bloodhound (1-Shot Masonry Bloodhound)

, and aligned with

The Good Dreams.

I had a dream once that there were two guardians of some old fortress leading to hell. They were linked together in some intrinsic manner. I couldn't tell you how, but they both had some secret ability to them.

Your personal abilities are as follows:
~

Defaults

: You have your voice, and your vote. You may use both of these to try to kill whoever you think is not aligned with you.
~

1-Shot Bloodhound

: Once per game, you may target someone to learn if they are "Town" or "Not Town".

Your Masonry details are as follows:
~

Private Communication

: You have access to The Fortress Sanctuary, which is located here.
~

Mason Partner

: You know

Voidfiend1

is also a member of

The Good Dreams

. You also know that Voidfiend1 is a 2-Shot Doctor.

You win if

all threats to

The Good Dreams

are dead, and at least one member of your faction is still alive.

Please confirm you have read this PM by submitting your flavor back to me, OR by posting in the Fortress Sanctuary.

Different name for an already existing role

[usesPython]

Especially because the Backrooms is like *the* example of a liminal space?

It was also literally the name of the cult pt in the previous game.

No that's wrong, the cult PT was the Liminal Space PT, The Backrooms was a separate neighborhood

Uh, cult win con from previous game is:

You win if all players not aligned with you are dead; if all living players are in The Backrooms PT; or if either situation is impossible to prevent.

Or is that mod error there mentioning the wrong pt...

~ Neighborizer: Each night, you may target another player and attempt to add them to The Backrooms, a neighborhood.
~ Mentor: If you do not currently have a Mentee, twice per game, you may attempt to recruit someone to the Liminal Space faction. They will retain all current abilities. This ability will fail on groupscum with living partners. Attached below is a sample Mentee PM.

[usesPython]

Was there an alarmist in game 1

No but I did find something interesting:

Spoiler: Flea The Magician

Voidfiend Bloodhound

Strange Dreams Mafia

Welcome, Flea The Magician! You are a

Voidfiend Bloodhound (1-Shot Masonry Bloodhound)

, and aligned with

The Good Dreams.

I had a dream once that there were two guardians of some old fortress leading to hell. They were linked together in some intrinsic manner. I couldn't tell you how, but they both had some secret ability to them.

Your personal abilities are as follows:
~

Defaults

: You have your voice, and your vote. You may use both of these to try to kill whoever you think is not aligned with you.
~

1-Shot Bloodhound

: Once per game, you may target someone to learn if they are "Town" or "Not Town".

Your Masonry details are as follows:
~

Private Communication

: You have access to The Fortress Sanctuary, which is located here.
~

Mason Partner

: You know

Voidfiend1

is also a member of

The Good Dreams

. You also know that Voidfiend1 is a 2-Shot Doctor.

You win if

all threats to

The Good Dreams

are dead, and at least one member of your faction is still alive.

Please confirm you have read this PM by submitting your flavor back to me, OR by posting in the Fortress Sanctuary.

Different name for an already existing role

I think KKFC is probably fine to keep alive

[Save The Dragons]

I've heard of bloodhound before though

[Rautherdir]

Oh, plus I think medium becomes positive for TA while they are using their ability.

And again, we also have a Nightmare throwing in an additional 5+ players every night that are positive.

P-edit: ah, I had assumed the backrooms was the cult pt of the previous game from that win-con...

[usesPython]

I've heard of bloodhound before though

Yeah it's from Greater Idea Mafia but that's still an example of a non-standard name for an existing role (Bloodhound = Cop, Marshall = Alien)

[KatyKimFanClub]

Last game scum roles and modifiers:

JOAT (hammerer, strongman ninja, loyal doctor, announcing bus driver)
Compulsive Inverse Public Role Inquisitor
1-shot bulletproof godfather flavor cop
Jailkeeper

There are some things that might have carried over from last game to this, like the inverse public role investigative role, the strongman ninja, and the bus driver.

[usesPython]

Can we get a vote count before someone accidentally hammers Ircher?

[KatyKimFanClub]

I guess doing any analysis along these lines just boils down to mod WIFOM.