Umlaut's Mini Normal Review, May 2023 (Released)

[implosion]

Okay, sure. The setup is just:

• 3x
  Mafia Goon
  
  
• 3x
  Town Mason
  
  
• 7x
  Townie

Daytalk: Yes
Multitasking: No (not that it matters, but I think I have to declare it either way so this is what I'll declare)

My concept is basically "as close to vanilla as a 10:3 closed normal can be," and if we think the balance is off I'd prefer to fix it by adjusting the number of masons if that will suffice, though I did also consider giving the Mafia some information about the setup if that helps tweak things a bit. (e.g. "there are no Town players with night actions").

I'll be using the same ruleset as in my last Mini Normal game, with the exception of replacing "All roles are multitasking" with "Roles are not multitasking unless explicitly declared so".

[implosion]

Primary: DkKoba
Secondary: Datisi

[Datisi]

okay so

iirc, this setup is considered to be ~balanced as an open, but slightly scumsided as a closed setup. adding a whole another mason would be an overkill, though.

first idea is giving one of the masons something on top of them being masons, but depends on what koba thinks i guess

[DkKoba]

oh its one of these lol

wrt extra info for mafia thats a no go here - we are leaning scumsided here. Mafia have 7 slots they are able to easily push for a miselim and need to only push 4(so town has to clear 4)

3 self clearable roles p strong for town - however there will be the ability to claim as mafia easily.

Some minor utility (outside of the masonry) would definitely work (inside of it, the power is significantly higher)

[Umlaut]

Town Mason-Finder would be both useful and informative (given the role itself would suggest, though not confirm, that a masonry exists). Maybe slightly double-edged since it would also suggest that to the Mafia once it flips.

Town Bodyguard would also work for me.

[Datisi]

town bodyguard seems too strong. town mason-finder would work, i think?

[Umlaut]

Could also do Role Cop, in this setup that's the same thing as Mason-Finder but without suggesting anything about a masonry.

[Datisi]

rolecop's stronger for town, should scum decide to fakeclaim anything other than VT

[Umlaut]

truuuue.

Mason-Finder is good then, will see what Dk thinks.

[DkKoba]

Either rolecop or Mason finder work

[Umlaut]

I think all that's left are role and result PMs, then?

I tend to write my role PMs such that I can send them out

en masse

, so in particular my Mason PM is not going to list the Masons explicitly but rather I will list them in the intro post of their PT, and likewise for the Mafia.

Spoiler: Role PMs

Town Mason

Welcome to Mini Normal ####! You are a

Town Mason

.

You share a private topic with your fellow Masons, located here, in which you may communicate privately during all phases of the game. You all know one another to be Town-aligned.

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Town Mason-Finder

Welcome to Mini Normal ####! You are a

Town Mason-Finder

.

Each night, you may target a player to learn whether that player is a Mason. (You will get "no result" if this action is prevented.)

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Townie

Welcome to Mini Normal ####! You are a

Townie

.

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Mafia Goon

Welcome to Mini Normal ####! You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You share a private topic with your fellow Mafiosi, located here, in which you may communicate privately during all phases of the game.

Each night, you and your teammates may together select a player to shoot and kill.

You win when the Mafia is the sole surviving faction, or when nothing can prevent this.

Spoiler: Result PMs

Mason-Finder Positive

You discovered that [PLAYER] is a Mason.

Mason-Finder Negative

You discovered that [PLAYER] is not a Mason.

One question: I typically list the Mafia's full roles in the intro post of their PT, since they have no real reason to hide them from one another. Is it Normal-compatible to do the same in the Masonry? (In this case all it would reveal is that none of them have some additional power beyond being a Mason.)

[Datisi]

PMs look fine to me

Is it Normal-compatible to do the same in the Masonry?

i've done it before and i didn't get yelled at by implo, so i assume it's fine to do so.

[DkKoba]

/pass

[Umlaut]

For my own notes later, the final setup is:

3x

Mafia Goon

3x

Town Mason

1x

Town Mason-Finder

6x

Townie

[implosion]

This is going into signups. I think this would probably qualify for the simple tag if you do want to add it and the reviewers were okay with it, though it's entirely optional and heading into signups now either way

[Umlaut]

Nah, I like to keep 'em guessing

[Thestatusquo]

ego