Newbie 2126: Art [Game Over]

[skitter30]

like you're looking at this from: where's hte town motivation
that's backwards - you should be looking for: where's the scum motivaation
and if there isn't any
they're probably not scum

I think the scum motivation was she was fishing for the last PR. As for why she's retracted? Who knows, maybe got cold feet or something, idk, maybe her partner told her to retract. I don't see how you can look at how she's played so far and expect her to make reasonable plays. she's been emotional and a loose cannon pretty much all game.

Polaroid has had more than a few red flags than me and for some weird reason you've been looking past all of them.

Oh right this was bad

[skitter30]

fine im an idiot

go ahead and replace me

I don't want to play anymore.

[skitter30]

On balance i think he's town still honestly
He has a few bad posts that i can read as him being an overseer-partner, but he has several that i think are unlikely to come from scum

Off to do smiley and wayward now

[skitter30]

I got nothing out of wayward's iso

[skitter30]

UNVOTE: Skitter30.

Ok, so Wayward was either the killer or the target confirmed then. It's getting pretty late where i'm at, and I need to think this over. I'll probs be back on in the morning or afternoon. Ideally with fresh thoughts on the matter. Until then :]

Sorry about my absence, I was unfortunately preoccupied yesterday, The long absence did give me a chance to think long and hard about this though and I think i've come to the conclusion that it's more likely Wayward's Slot was the killer in this situation.

This is the final vote count of day 1:

1.09

Votecount 1.09 (final)

Political Clout (5):

Merlyn, SmileyDude1, camelCasedSnivy, Radical Polaroid, Eiralox -

Eliminated

Merlyn (1):

Political Clout

Radical Polaroid (1):

TheHoldSteady

SmileyDude1 (1):

skitter30

Not Voting (1):

Alianna

With 9 players alive, it took 5 to eliminate someone.

The only person voting Radical Polaroid's slot at the end there was TheHoldSteady, Wayward's predecessor. Given the defensive posturing that slot gave off day 1 and the confirmed Jailkeeper connected to that slot I think i'm of the belief that RP jailkept TheHoldSteady with intent of blocking them from killing. VOTE: Wayward Son

This is such a strangr vote as partners. Like ... baffling

[skitter30]

I really think it's alianna here

[skitter30]

I shouod provably iso Eiralox as well soon

[Alianna]

I really think it's alianna here

Is there anything you feel I haven't responded to adequately or would like me to address?

[skitter30]

I'm still kinda hung up on the fact that there's a *lot* of waffling on overseer in your iso, your smiley vote looked like you decided he was doomed so decided to bus, ans how much shade you kept throwing towards the ali/rp slot - a lot of that read like you were trying to sow doubt in the claim and/or were trying to avoid acceding that the claim was true

[DragonEater70]

Spoiler: Skitter Quotes

I think Overseer is spending a lot of focus and attention on something not very important to the game. They are coming off as engaging, but it doesn't feel like a genuine thought path.

I'm trying to see if skitter has a town read off one post, which would be tmi. If you don't like scum hunting and just want silence no need to shade me, just say so.

Talking about any content not being important to the game when it's dead and you've contributed nothing. That's just silly.

This isn't a thought from an innocent. A werewolf is more concerned with things like this. You aren't saying my point is incorrect, rather that "how dare I comment on your unimportant rant when I haven't done enough important things." This comes off as someone being defensive, not looking at the game trying to solve the game.

Oooooh i like this
Esp. since i had similar thoughts abt overseer there

VOTE: overseer

Skitter30 - I have played with skitter before, and she was pretty good, I feel she was very stingy with her vote and explored all angles, even when we had a basically confirmed scum. This time her questions to me just feel shallow. Her vote on me comes off as opportunistic on a case that is very weak. I'm suspicious of her town read on political clout as well.

yeah ok so :

- we have less than 100 posts still. at this stage, any vote/read i make isn't going to be based on anything super strong, i'm using the limited information i have to try to make progress
-that sometimes in order to move things along, you need to make mountains out of molehills, and it might not be based on a ton
- in short, i agree with you that my vote on you is not iron-clad and that i might be reaching a bit in order to try to generate content and start to form reads on people
- the thing that i have an issue with is *why do you think this is more likely to come from scum-me than town-me*. the fact that you're jumping here to call me scum over this is not great; i don't feel like you're not considering town worlds, but are just assuming i'm scum here
- i would like to hear more about how my vote was oppurtunistic, it was the second vote on you
- what do you think i should be doing here, at this stage of the game, to make my questions *less* shallow

i'm kinda getting the vibe that you dont' like that i'm scumreading you, so you're scumreading me in turn tbh

I think Overseer is spending a lot of focus and attention on something not very important to the game. They are coming off as engaging, but it doesn't feel like a genuine thought path.

I'm trying to see if skitter has a town read off one post, which would be tmi. If you don't like scum hunting and just want silence no need to shade me, just say so.

Talking about any content not being important to the game when it's dead and you've contributed nothing. That's just silly.

In what way is this tmi

Is this rhetorical?

No. Why is it tmi?
I don't think it is, you apparently think it is, so i'd like you to explain it to me

I'm more concerned with the reasons behind votes that who is voting who specifically. And both your reasons seem scum driven.

Also this looks like a tag team effort on me. The timing and cohesion is suspicious.

TBH I'm not actually convinced you're a team but I don't get that feeling that you can't be a team.

soooooo ... this looks like we're tag-teaming you ?
like yeah you walk it back in the next sentence with 'oh maybe you're not teamed' but this is the second or third time now that you've implied you think we might be in cahoots pushing you

so, again: again, do you think scum would actually pair together this early to do that? you didn't actually answer the question i asked

I think it's viable that you're a team. I do think it's unlikely though. I said it looks like a tag team. Wait what am I answering here exactly? Feels like I'm repeating myself or you're asking things that are in the quoted part.

Can you explain how:
- it's unlikely we're a team
- we're tagteaming

At the same time? To me it looks like you're arguing that at once we're not teamed, but we're parterning to push you, which doesnt make sense to me to think at the same time

Yeah tbis checks out, no way in heaven that this is SvS.

Unless Skitter is playing 4D chess and decided to off her partner just so she can win this 4 player Melo. Which tbh is too WIFOM for me so I am going to go with Skitter town, and deserves the w if she is scum

I wouldnt do that to my newbie partner

Yeah I figured

[Aisa]

4.01

Votecount 4.01

DragonEater70 (1):

Alianna

Not Voting (3):

DragonEater70, skitter30, Eiralox

With 4 players alive, it takes 3 to eliminate someone. It takes 2 to end the day with no elimination.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 16:00:00).

[skitter30]

Oh shoot lol i thought we had more time

[skitter30]

I think that this is going to no-lim by default ugh

[skitter30]

I kinda dropped the ball here, sorry. I thought the deadline was sunday for some reason

[skitter30]

I really, really think it's alianna
If people want to call her town b/c of the jk-claim i think i'm at the point where i'm willing to accept the loss and then discuss it with ali after the game in post

Normally the correct thing to do is just clear the person the jk said they're clearing ...

[skitter30]

Ok eiralox's trajectory is, like, Not Great, but there's a lot of little things in the iso that just feel unlikely to come from scum to me

I think i'm ok just calling him town

[skitter30]

I really, really think it's alianna
If people want to call her town b/c of the jk-claim i think i'm at the point where i'm willing to accept the loss and then discuss it with ali after the game in post

Normally the correct thing to do is just clear the person the jk said they're clearing ...

I don't know if i can proactively vote dragon here tbh. I think i'm ok losing to this but i can't vote someone in elo i don't think is scum

I'd rather a no-flip and let you guys sort it out tomorrow

Alianna isnt happening in the next 54 minites of whatever

[Eiralox]

Mfuckin what i never checked the clock this day also. Like.... four to two days left here lol.

I kinda doubt we get an elim here yes. But i alianna is scum idk i'm not sure skitter pr anyon dies and were just dragging this to another day maybe.
VOTE: Alianna

Ihavent even reread if we do somehow get a magic lim here and its a town loss im really sorry but knowing the dayends i sort of want to save everyoe timeand trouble here lol.

Idk why skitter hasn voted but if someone deserves the hammer its skitter so yeh probs that,and to not scare ppl away from the wagonn as town. Idk.

Have fun!

[Eiralox]

Five minutes there no chance X'D

Apologies for my laziness everyone

[Aisa]

4.02

Votecount 4.02 (final)

DragonEater70 (1):

Alianna

Alianna (1):

Eiralox

Not Voting (2):

DragonEater70, skitter30

With 4 players alive, it takes 3 to eliminate someone. It takes 2 to end the day with no elimination.

[Aisa]

Elimination

No elimination was achieved today.

Night 4

Night 4 starts now and ends in (expired on 2023-07-30 20:00:00). Added a few hours as I won't be around in exactly 48 hours' time.

Please submit any Night Actions you have to me by PM, or in a PT if I have indicated that this is acceptable.

Fast night is available if everyone says they want one.

[Aisa]

Daystart will be delayed by another ~2 hours - sorry, busy right now!

[Aisa]

A New Dawn

No-one

died last night.

Day 5

Day 5 starts now and ends in (expired on 2023-08-06 22:30:00). With 4 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate. It takes 2 to end the day with no elimination.

[Aisa]

5.00

Votecount 5.00

Not Voting (4):

DragonEater70, skitter30, Eiralox, Alianna

With 4 players alive, it takes 3 to eliminate someone. It takes 2 to end the day with no elimination.

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2023-08-06 22:30:00).

[skitter30]

my immediate reaction to this is not positive ...