Micro 1088: Carbon 14 - Game Over

[Dunnstral]

I am thinking hypo claims could be a good idea for this setup.

On day 2, everyone claims either seer or cop with an innocent on another player. Don't claim a guilty as a fake claim. If somebody has a real guilty, we should instead skip the hypo phase and h ave them claim for real. If nobody has a guilty, we should all provide cover for the claim. In this setup, even if you have an inno on somebody, they can still be an anti-town player if the other faction was roles relative to your role, so that eases the burden of everyone having to pretend that their fake inno is clear to them.

The advantage to this setup is that we know who is inno in case the important pr is killed at night. The downside is that it splits players into seers and cops and allows the anti-town faction to kill in one half to try to remove our functional pr faster.

[Dunnstral]

So basically there's 5 Town, 2 Scum, but they're either Mafia or Werewolves. We get a Cop and a Seer but one of them is basically useless.

Not useless. They are still confirmed town, because we know the role exists.

[Dunnstral]

Also the version I was thinking was that we don’t claim seer vs cop and only claim a peek. Idk if it makes a meaningful difference

This is an improvement to the strategy. It prevents scum from picking a side to eliminate while still accomplishing what was set out to do.

[Dunnstral]

If we do end up mass claiming tomorrow, we can have also have our prs claim "investigative" instead of seer or cop, and if there are only 2 claims they don't need to say which one they are that day.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Random Nurse

Their contribution thus far feels like they are repeating the setup out loud rather than offering anything to work with.

[Dunnstral]

Meta Data

Just a heads-up: I typically struggle on Day 1 due to not having anything tangible to work with.

I work as a strictly nocturnal night nurse, so am asleep during the day. I also work 60-72 hours each week

As Town I am free to be aggressive because I legitimately don't know who is what, and I don't care about self-preservation.

As Scum I struggle to emulate the above play and frequently try to force myself to forget my role.

As Town I work best by consistent extreme engagement to generate content: it's extremely easy to do as Town and a chore for me to do as Scum because I already have insider knowledge and I'm a terrible liar. As Town it's extremely easy for me to make free-flowing-thought posts on a dime.

I don't quickhammers and appreciate intent to hammer being made first. At this point on I don't quickhammer and instead will announce intent to claim.

I prefer NOT to play using readslists due to my severe time constraints. It's easier for me to tell you how I feel about a player, and as Town if you ask me I should be able to tell you fairly soon how I honestly feel about them. If it takes awhile then I'm possibly Scum.

On Day 1 expect me to be playing based solely on gut reads and gut vibes: I have no tangible evidence to work with.

I'm making it a habit to post this post first at the start of each game, and then start reading.

I am confused as to the point of this post

[Dunnstral]

But bullet points 3 to 5 don't look like your play this game just through your own admission

[Dunnstral]

Yeah but you said you use "consistent extreme engagement" and that it is easy to do as town.

[Dunnstral]

consistent extreme engagement to generate content, in fact

[Dunnstral]

Someone should pour gasoline before this game dies
VOTE: PC
Real vote.

VOTE: PC realer vote!


I've been thinking about this too we can instead of hypoclaim claim who we are going to check d1 before the hammer. I think it would be beneficial to do this because it let's us know who everyone is actually suspicious of, who the 2 pr's would have been on if one of them flips, the objection i see is that what if the pr's target someone who is town and the pr's end up murdered. I think we can get around this by randomly assigning who checks who like from the playerlist the person above checks the person below them or something. and keep in mind we can say we are doing this but at the end of the day the person who has the role can do whatever they want. I think if they are murdered in that way we can be more honest in our inspection of who we are questioning.

so I could say like I am going to peak at random nurse tonight. I think this is a great idea. what you guys think?

I don't like this, we can list suspicion without announcing we are also going to check that person.

[Dunnstral]

early reads while nothing is happening.

Dunn probably town
sheep trying to move game forward could be town

dunno what to do about pc self vote

I guess heip unvoting pc there could be townie?

I guess vote stays on imag for now

Do you think Imaginality is mafia or is that your rvs vote?

[Dunnstral]

everyone should like give a set of reads and explain them or something

I don't feel I have a vote I'd want more than Random Nurse, even though it is not a very strong read.

I think imaginality had a good point about a cop claim voting themself to e-1 being weird. That makes me lean town on imaginality.
I am also getting good feelings from sheep.

heip I don't have an opinion on, they've given quite a bit but I don't lean either way. ceejay has given not enough for me to have an opinion on I feel. And politicalclout claimed cop so it is best to wait and see what happens.

[Dunnstral]

I think it works fine but there is just no reason to try to direct actions like that. Instead of 1 person who is definitely town performing their own action we have a group that might be scum giving opinions.

Scum can indeed just kill that person anyway if they are town since there is no guarantee that the person chosen for investigation isn't themselves an investigation role.

[Dunnstral]

IMO by hypo claiming, but some people might want to mass claim on day 2 instead

[Dunnstral]

Huh why am I being prodded.

Oh random 36 hour deadline. I hate that

[Dunnstral]

with 2 days left this is personally not a top wagon I approve of

I also do not want to eliminate imaginality

[Dunnstral]

I do kinda feel Sheep is trying to control the gamestate a bit too much, not sure if it is a thing......or just them wanting to inject some action into the game(which I get).

I think it only looks like this because the rate of posting is so slow so they stand out as having more posts.

[Dunnstral]

The thing with what political did is that based on reactions scum can rule out who is not the cop. Depending on how Heip reacted.

[Dunnstral]

ceeja was scummy to me

seemed informed the way they treated the pc vs imagine thing without being curious about their alignments / without solving. instead literally just was like "lol if this were two towns that'd be funny"

Where did this happen?

[Dunnstral]

imaginality is the wolf because they wrote about whether it was worth hypo claiming today when they are claiming a guilty result and we are in limlo. I wrote yesterday that we would put innos if we hypo claimed; the guilty they put forth is clearly in reaction the the guilty placed on them.

And yes sheep I did think that PC claiming was suspect but it looks like they did it because they had a role claim to fall back on.

[Dunnstral]

I don't agree that PC's claim was a good play. They didn't know whether it was a mafia team or a wolf team, so how is fake claiming cop as seer for wifom a better play than true claiming seer?

It seems like the same thing really, except with no chance of having the real cop counter claim you on day 1.

[Dunnstral]

gah

I guess if the guilty is real that reinforces my drew/imaginality team theory that I like?? but like suddenly I thought about PC and doubted my townread lol

pedit oh wow

I feel like you keep switching between saying it is me/imaginality and drew/imaginality and I'm not sure if you are just mixing our names up.

[Dunnstral]

I misread 202 and thought imaginality was claiming a guilty on Political clout rather than that being a seer counter claim

[Dunnstral]

I've changed my mind and am leaning towards imaginality being the real seer and Political Clout being mafia. I do think it is possible for Political Clout to have guessed imaginality see based on the way the rest of us acted - I am usually more careful with revealing role info but don't feel like I did due diligence this day 2.

[Dunnstral]

I am actually a secret alt of CeeJay, so all is good.

I honestly don't know what to make of the seer war, I am now leaning a way but will keep it close to vest for now.

What are the benefits to staying quiet?

[Dunnstral]

I've changed my mind and am leaning towards imaginality being the real seer and Political Clout being mafia. I do think it is possible for Political Clout to have guessed imaginality see based on the way the rest of us acted - I am usually more careful with revealing role info but don't feel like I did due diligence this day 2.

justify this because I don't see any progression at all. It feels a lot like while towns away the scum will play. imag starts posting and then you start posting about me being scum makes me worried about prior communication in a private pt.

I think you could have claimed a guilty on imaginality without being the real seer. The cop died so that was the only thing to claim.

If you are mafia then you could have been trying to get reactions for the cop which could have been the actual important investigative role.

I might be willing to vote between dr drew and sheep today on the basis that a flip of mafia instead of wolf could give more info. And we already have the game split into 2 categories: you/imaginality and me/drew/sheep.

[Dunnstral]

And we already have the game split into 2 categories: you/imaginality and me/drew/sheep.

[Dunnstral]

I might be willing to vote between dr drew and sheep

today on the basis that a flip of mafia instead of wolf could give more info. And we already have the game split into 2 categories: you/imaginality and me/drew/sheep.

Maybe you just worded it weird, but you set it up like the lim is between myself and sheep......not you.

I'm not willing to vote for myself...

[Dunnstral]

but also if scum happen to be wolves then Drew is cleared for D3.

And if scum happen to be mafia, then you are cleared if we elim outside and they flip.

[Dunnstral]

:facepalm:

Drew u need to be talking about what ur thinking lmao

I wanted things to organically happen, but i get it lol.

I am leaning towards PC as scum.

Kinda feel the PC/Dunn things here recently is theater.......especially with Dunn wanting to only lim between myself and you.

And ya, Dunn, you wouldn't want to vote yourself......but as town you would have worded it differently. I feel you were trying to setup the mis-elim.

Alright go ahead and type out for me what I would have written then. I want to see what you wanted me to do.

[Dunnstral]

It is 3 am so I truly do not know which way I prefer hopefully it’s like something is chosen without me even mattering rather than me being the decider lol

I am willing to eliminate Dr Drew. If you are also willing to do that then that's that.

[Dunnstral]

PC is claiming to have a seer guilty on you. If We elim outside of you two and the person flips mafia, we know PC is lying.

[Dunnstral]

And I believe PC claiming cop is more likely to come from mafia than wolf. As if it gets a reaction it is more beneficial to their team.

[Dunnstral]

1 in 2 vs 1 in 3 doesn't matter because we have to do both to win.

[Dunnstral]

If Sheep and I are both voting for Dr Drew and neither you or imaginality quick hammer it, it becomes clear that Dr Drew is mafia. And so you or imaginality will place the finishing vote.

[Dunnstral]

What are you down to do?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn is there anything that u think associativeky makes pc or imag more/less likely to be paired with drew? What do u think of me thinking it seems like drew/imag

As I pointed out, if we eliminate drew and they flip mafia that means it has to be PC due to their claim.

Think about it. Day 1 PC claims cop. Let's say they are the anti-town: on day 1 there isn't a difference between claiming cop or seer, except for their own role and knowing if the scum faction is mafia/wolves. If PC is scum, and is fake claiming on day 1, there is potential for somebody to counter claim it. It therefore makes sense, to me, that they'd be claiming the role that would find their own faction.

In conclusion, I think that if PC is scum, they are more likely to be mafia than a wolf. This would make imaginality's result not mean anything.

As for what they've done this day phase? I thought Drew talking about my word choice and then PC saying that was a bad read felt a bit like distancing. I am leaning towards it being PC and Drew right now and I feel they have both started pushing me this day phase after I changed my mind.

[Dunnstral]

What do u think of me thinking it seems like drew/imag

All you really said was that it seems more likely than random. I don't know why you think that

[Dunnstral]

I would have been willing to vote for Drew if Sheep agreed right away. I'd say I was about 70%. My wariness is that I simply proposed it instead of outright voting for Drew. Sheep's reaction being so noncommittal is making me nervous. I could see them voting all 4 other players right now with what they are posting, and I'm not sure just questioning me is really trying to figure things out

[Dunnstral]

In my mind if they are scum they are afraid of committing too hard and are waiting for somebody to place an incorrect vote.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn is there anything that u think associativeky makes pc or imag more/less likely to be paired with drew? What do u think of me thinking it seems like drew/imag

As I pointed out, if we eliminate drew and they flip mafia that means it has to be PC due to their claim.

Think about it. Day 1 PC claims cop. Let's say they are the anti-town: on day 1 there isn't a difference between claiming cop or seer, except for their own role and knowing if the scum faction is mafia/wolves. If PC is scum, and is fake claiming on day 1, there is potential for somebody to counter claim it. It therefore makes sense, to me, that they'd be claiming the role that would find their own faction.

In conclusion, I think that if PC is scum, they are more likely to be mafia than a wolf. This would make imaginality's result not mean anything.

As for what they've done this day phase? I thought Drew talking about my word choice and then PC saying that was a bad read felt a bit like distancing. I am leaning towards it being PC and Drew right now and I feel they have both started pushing me this day phase after I changed my mind.

I didn't push you, explicitly saying the lim should be between Sheep and I is a scum play, I just pointed it out.

Your argument is that I should have said I should be the elimination

[Dunnstral]

How am I bloodthirsty?

[Dunnstral]

I would have been willing to vote for Drew if Sheep agreed right away. I'd say I was about 70%. My wariness is that I simply proposed it instead of outright voting for Drew. Sheep's reaction being so noncommittal is making me nervous. I could see them voting all 4 other players right now with what they are posting, and I'm not sure just questioning me is really trying to figure things out

I think this is kinda goofy

What part?

[Dunnstral]

How am I bloodthirsty?

Wanting to limit drew immediately now when we still have a lot of time left.

What do you plan to do with our remaining time?

[Dunnstral]

*clap clap*