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[Skygazer]

Spoiler: votecounts

Page 2

Elements

(2) - OopsieDaisy, Elements

KittyTacky

(2) - Random Nurse, PenguinPower

PenguinPower

(1) - iamveryhappy

Random Nurse

(1) - KittyTacky

Not Voting

(3) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub, Skygazer

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Elements

(3) - OopsieDaisy, Elements, Skygazer

KittyTacky

(2) - Random Nurse, PenguinPower

PenguinPower

(1) - iamveryhappy

Random Nurse

(1) - KittyTacky

Skygazer

(1) - Deltabreedy

Not Voting

(1) - KatyKimFanClub

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KittyTacky

(2) - Random Nurse, PenguinPower

iamveryhappy

(2) - Deltabreedy, Elements

KatyKimFanClub

(2) - OopsieDaisy, iamveryhappy

Elements

(1) - Skygazer

Random Nurse

(1) - KittyTacky

Not Voting

(1) - KatyKimFanClub

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KatyKimFanClub

(3) - OopsieDaisy, iamveryhappy, PenguinPower

iamveryhappy

(2) - Deltabreedy, Elements

KittyTacky

(1) - Random Nurse

Random Nurse

(1) - KittyTacky

Deltabreedy

(1) - Skygazer

Not Voting

(1) - KatyKimFanClub

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KatyKimFanClub

(3) - OopsieDaisy, iamveryhappy, Skygazer

iamveryhappy

(2) - Deltabreedy, Elements

KittyTacky

(1) - Random Nurse

Random Nurse

(1) - KittyTacky

Not Voting

(2) - KatyKimFanClub, PenguinPower

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KatyKimFanClub

(2) - iamveryhappy, Skygazer

iamveryhappy

(2) - Deltabreedy, Elements

KittyTacky

(2) - Random Nurse, OopsieDaisy

Random Nurse

(1) - KittyTacky

Not Voting

(2) - KatyKimFanClub, PenguinPower

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KatyKimFanClub

(3) - iamveryhappy, Skygazer, PenguinPower

KittyTacky

(2) - Random Nurse, OopsieDaisy

Random Nurse

(2) - KittyTacky, Elements

Not Voting

(2) - KatyKimFanClub, Deltabreedy

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KatyKimFanClub

(3) - iamveryhappy, Skygazer, PenguinPower

Random Nurse

(2) - KittyTacky, OopsieDaisy

KittyTacky

(1) - Random Nurse

Deltabreedy

(1) - Elements

Not Voting

(2) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub

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KatyKimFanClub

(3) - iamveryhappy, Skygazer, PenguinPower

iamveryhappy

(3) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub, OopsieDaisy

Random Nurse

(1) - KittyTacky

KittyTacky

(1) - Random Nurse

Deltabreedy

(1) - Elements

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iamveryhappy

(3) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub, Elements

KatyKimFanClub

(2) - Skygazer, PenguinPower

Random Nurse

(1) - KittyTacky

KittyTacky

(1) - Random Nurse

OopsieDaisy

(1) - iamveryhappy

Not Voting

(1) - OopsieDaisy

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iamveryhappy

(5) - Deltabreedy, KatyKimFanClub, Elements, PenguinPower, OopsieDaisy

KatyKimFanClub

(1) - Skygazer

Random Nurse

(1) - KittyTacky

KittyTacky

(1) - Random Nurse

OopsieDaisy

(1) - iamveryhappy

page number is referring to what the votecount would be if it were posted to the top of that page.

[PenguinPower]

bless you

[PenguinPower]

not as helpful as I thought. strongly doubt the iavh wagon is pure, but I guess there exists that possibility.

probably one on, one off. happy staying on RN now.

[Skygazer]

i'll sheep ya

VOTE: random nurse

[Skygazer]

i dont have a lot to say/that i want to say at the moment. if i'm seeing things clearly this could be easy to solve but aaaaaaa

[KatyKimFanClub]

First, I feel bad voting for Kitty right before he made a readslist, but I don't know if there's enough in their townread of me to overcome the inertia of removing my vote yet. Like why do they sheep Delta for his read but not for his presumable townread (by virtue of sending the message to her) on Daisy?

[KatyKimFanClub]

Responding to RN's 892 now.


210, 214: Basically, the way I read it, PP voted for me in 165 and then said that Skygazer might be scum in 166. That made me think he thought the team was me/Skygazer, so when I asked in 205 and he replied in the affirmative with the "yes" GIF in 207 that was my logic in 210. As for 214, it was my defense against that, saying that if we were partners I doubt he would put me at the top of his readslist and so he shouldn't be expecting a team of us. If anything, I thought he would expect Skygazer to be scum and me to be town who Skygazer townread for any sort of nefarious reason. Sort of long-winded but I hope this makes sense.


388: By bussed I mainly mean when scum is on their partner's wagon. I noticed in 385 that Daisy basically had all my possible partners as people who weren't there to actively put votes on me during my wagon. Hence my confidence in Daisy's confidence that I was not being bussed.

Answer to question about PP manipulating the game: Maybe, but I think I have an inherent distrust in people who are better than me at Mafia. I think, as of now, I get more town-vibes from PP steering conversations and putting pressure on people than I do manipulative-scum vibes.


549: this post is kind of long, what parts do you want me to elaborate on?


649: The way I see it, this game is already be lost if both wagons were pure, and so it's fair for me to assume that they weren't, because the level of discussion is good enough to assume that town wouldn't come to two misvotes in Day 1 so readily. It's also a good assumption from my understanding of how scumteams work. Either way, yes, I think your hypothesis that IAVH presented a super straightforward wagon for scum is true. Also, it probably helped that he had like 5% PR equity at that time that he flipped.


660: I see what you mean now, especially after I remember you're an alt!


667: I feel this way in games where I have too many town/nullreads.


668: Sort of a weird POE thing where I think Elements is town and I haven't had time to sort you, so I felt like putting my vote on Kitty isn't that bad.

I liked this post, and what I've read out of your posts on other people. I think I'll save one particular question for when you write up the other people you're sorting (I'll send it on Wednesday worst case so you have time to respond before V/LA).

Questions for you:

1) So I think I know where PP is going on your readslist, but if he's scum do you support my assumption that his partner would probably be distanced from both wagons in Day 1?

2) My flash wagon didn't have much resistance, but it happened at a time that I don't think IAVH, you, or Kitty were very active. If someone were to defend me, would you assume they were more likely than not scum-aligned? Or would it just make me more scummy by virtue of someone defending me (maybe town, maybe my partner, either way my partner doesn't have to?). I'm only asking this because ultimately this seems a little WIFOM-y, since I don't think I was getting hammered either way and one could argue an IAVH wagon was pretty inevitable.

3) I guess a lot of your questions/commentary on me is coming from a lot earlier in the game, and in the context of your argument with PP I wanted to ask if you just prefer to give later reads for any particular philosophical reason?

Last note: I noticed you asked for reasons people voted for IAVH. Truthfully I put it on him very early in the day because he seemed a little too open-wolfy / anti-town, and I already had null-to-town reads a decent number of people, so it was a safe vote to park. Then, he sort of imploded and got wagon'ed while I wasn't checking the thread / busy IRL. My activity after the wagon was sort of an atonement for that.

[RH]

vc incoming
sorry for lateness

[RH]

Flavour

Roar

Day 2 Count I

Random Nurse (2) - PenguinPower, Skygazer
OopsieDaisy (1) - Elements
KittyTacky (1) - KatyKimFanClub

Not Voting

- OopsieDaisy, KittyTacky, Random Nurse

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 7 remaining, it takes 4 to form a majority.
  
• Let me know of any errors or queries.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-08-07 17:34:00).

[OopsieDaisy]

Ok gonna talk about the KKFC post I mentioned yesterday.

In the interest of being a little more decisive, I'm going to make a few assumptions to help me try to solve the game from there. This isn't really something I've tried before but in a smaller game it might be helpful?

Assumptions:
1) There was at least one scum on my wagon.
2) There was at least one scum on IAVH wagon.
3) Between the two wagons, it was more likely for scum to be on my wagon since it was earlier and the IAVH wagon seemed more likely to happen (maybe circular logic but still)
4) The scumteam was not on both wagons.

People on my wagon: Daisy, iavh, Skygazer, PP
People on IAVH wagon: Delta, KKFC, Elements, PP, Daisy

I think I can throw out a Daisy/PP team, but I might be suspect of one of them individually.
Does a Skygazer/Elements team make sense so far? Going to think about that overnight.

First things first, love the first sentence. Again this is showing the progression that KKFC is having in this game as a player. KKFC wanting to be decisive is not something I would ever expect to hear come out of his mouth when seeing them play early day 1.

However I take issue with some of the assumptions at play here. Maybe it's because you've got the bias of one of the wagons being on you, but I don't think these are great boundaries to set on our scumhunt. Particularly with 1) and 3), imo you're putting way too much weight onto how your wagon formed because whilst your wagon got big and El's "intent to hammer" sent a scare, the pressure eventually eased off as people got interested in IAVH and if anyone actually hammered that early it would've been a shockingly scummy play if you're town.

[OopsieDaisy]

2) and 4) I think are fair, but IAVH I think was getting pushed through so easily that I can see a world where scum that knew he was town just sorta sat back and let town take him out.

Also I'm gonna be afk for most of today, going to a trans pride thing.

[OopsieDaisy]

Tho there were only 3 people off the wagon [Kitty, RN, Skygazer] so that's rly not a big pool if that's what I'm looking at.

VOTE: Kitty

Blehhh I'm gonna park my vote here I was expecting a lot more from Kitty's return. I rly don't like how noncommital this slot is feeling, especially on their one scumread (me). Plus to me they fit as a partner to literally every player in the game (bar I guess El because of the El shenanigans I've talked about).

[PenguinPower]

kitty is a bad vote

[Skygazer]

i'm quitting cigarettes today so i'll try not to be a jerk and if y'all cut me a lil slack for the brain fog that would be well appreciated

[Skygazer]

cut me a lil slack for the brain fog

that's right, she can become stupider

[KittyTacky]

First, I feel bad voting for Kitty right before he made a readslist, but I don't know if there's enough in their townread of me to overcome the inertia of removing my vote yet. Like why do they sheep Delta for his read but not for his presumable townread (by virtue of sending the message to her) on Daisy?

I don't think it's strong enough of an indicator to me.

[KittyTacky]

i'm quitting cigarettes today so i'll try not to be a jerk and if y'all cut me a lil slack for the brain fog that would be well appreciated

Good luck!

[Random Nurse]

Hey, so I slept through my night off due to exhaustion. I will be back tonight to read through and answer questions.

If I had to tell you who both Scum are from gut alone, it'd be Skygazer and Penguin. I don't get the feeling it's Elements or KKFC. The others I don't gut either way. I'll be back later.

[PenguinPower]

shocking you scum read the two people on your wagon with no further comment

simply shocking

[Random Nurse]

shocking you scum read the two people on your wagon with no further comment

simply shocking

I had no further comment in that post because I'm getting ready to go to bed, and I already said I'd be back tonight, so I can see you trying to twist my words.

[PenguinPower]

you said you'd be back to read through and answer questions, not provide further explanation so....no twisting of words needed!

[Elements]

PP and KT can be town for today

Why specifically these two?

What does this question mean?

[Elements]

consider my vote spiritually on RN

[Skygazer]

might be time to examine potential pairings. my scum pool right now is something like random nurse, katykimfanclub, oopsiedaisy, elements. i trust penguin and i trust penguin's read on kittytacky for some reason. oopsie probably the towniest of the remaining four.

random nurse / katykimfanclub
random nurse / oopsiedaisy
random nurse / elements
katykimfanclub / oopsiedaisy
katykimfanclub / elements
oopsiedaisy / elements

do any of these scream "lol no" to anyone?

[PenguinPower]

mmmm

no

no lol no