Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Cook]

ooh, another pagetop!

[Cook]

drew's last game was fire more fire, right?

[Bingle]

Weird dreams. Fire more fire was before that by a little bit.

[Bingle]

Koba, what are you thonking about snivy?

[Cook]

actually lemme read snivy

[camelCasedSnivy]

ok cook

kkfc is probably town but that's prolly because I've never seen them play scum

[Doctor Drew]

drew's last game was fire more fire, right?

Last scum game, if you want specifics.

Weird dreams. Fire more fire was before that by a little bit.

Fire more Fire was my high school metal band.

[Cook]

ok cook

kkfc is probably town but that's prolly because I've never seen them play scum

i've seen him play scum. i was on the wrong end of him playing scum.

[DragonEater70]

Dang now I have 20 pages to catch up on. I blame Cook.

[DragonEater70]

kkfc is probably town but that's prolly because I've never seen them play scum

I totally agree with this.

[Cook]

Dang now I have 20 pages to catch up on. I blame Cook.

feigning outrage

[DragonEater70]

Dang now I have 20 pages to catch up on. I blame Cook.

feigning outrage

Are you saying that I am feigning outrage? I wasn't even trying to sound outraged, I was saying this with a playful tone.

[Cook]

Dang now I have 20 pages to catch up on. I blame Cook.

feigning outrage

Are you saying that I am feigning outrage? I wasn't even trying to sound outraged, I was saying this with a playful tone.

nah i was feigning outrage in the least energy-consuming way

i'm

really tired

[DragonEater70]

Oooh oki

I hope you get a good rest soon!

[Cook]

thank you

[Alisae]

let cook cook

[DragonEater70]

Dang now I have 20 pages to catch up on. I blame Cook.

Actually nvm before I do a catchup I just wanna make a scumcase for AniX, having thought the situation over while V/LA.

SO:

Regarding this readlist:

Reads, from most town to least town:
AniX (confirmed)
Skygazer
Bingle
DkKoba
Aureal
camelCasedSnivy
Cook
KayKimFanClub
Ircher
Random Nurse
JasonWazza
DragonEater70
Theta Alpine
Random Nurse
Doctor Drew
Alisae
Ranger
Save the Dragons

I never really SCUMREAD StD, If I felt "StD is basically confirmed mafia" I would have just said that. But lists only work in the two dimensions and someone has to be at the bottom. Given the way StD had been acting, my trust was towards him the least.

I do not understand why would a town player make a readlist where the bottom player is another null players (Theta and Jason who hadn't posted at the time) but is not being scumread. Like what was town!AniX even trying to achieve with this readlist? It doesn't make sense to me. I kinda get the feeling that the readlist is just faked to appear townie.

With regard to the vote on me based on my usage of hurt tags:

I can understand a town player missing an inside joke and thinking that it is cover for something more sinister, but I cannot understand a townplayer apparently not understanding the concept of an inside joke or CONTEXT. I have directed them to the game I was referencing, and their response was this:

How convenient that Weird Dreams Mafia seems to have a joke to cover every single suspicious thing a user has done today. Truly the swiss army knife of games.

All of this setting aside that a list mod making one or more abilities off this game that everyone seems to know about already would be perfectly mundane. Hell, I would say it would even be expected.

I am very comfortable with where my vote is right now. Either you haven't been reading the game (sus) and thus didn't know to be careful with post triggers or your post triggers on Hurt.

Like do they think I went back in time and asked Korina to use hurt tags for nightmare voting just so I can excuse my "slip"? What in the actual hell is going through that player's mind?

DkKoba post restriction saga:

I feel that AniX claiming that DkKoba's posting (which she cearly disagrees with) is a "post restriction" rather than straight-up scumreading Koba (at least to begin with) does not sound like a natural or townie thought process. It feels like a fake read development because they realize the wagon on me wasn't gaining traction so they needed a new target. And it also feels like abway to negate someone's opinions without having to commit to a scumread. Later this changes to a vote but that is only natural for both alignments to develop this into a vote.

VOTE: AniX

[DragonEater70]

Am now in catchup mode:

I mean like to me anix is doing that kind of blatant mafia thing of having 0 read depth and all their pushes are based on things that appear negative and antitown on the surface but are easily explained via any level of context.

Anix has yet to explain beyond dragon's role thing and my supposed "stilted tone" why we are scum. Like I'm kinda sure they froze up hard when called out for how they pushed dragoneater tbh

(Also just realized we have 2 Dragons and it's gonna be rough for me tbh tbh)

I see the same thing

You can call me DE70 I guess, and you should probably call the other dragon Fenrir to distinguish.

Btw why did you randomly claim a part of your role? Like what's the benefit of claiming that?

[DragonEater70]

Hey if we're considering mass claiming, how about mass claiming the color of our role PM?

If you want an honest answer, text's red.

[DragonEater70]

I don't think talking about formatting is fine

I actually agree, sorry for the above post.

[DragonEater70]

Ranger
AniX
Skygazer
Cook
JasonWazza
DragonEater70
JasonWazza
DkKoba
Save The Dragons

These are my reads so far. If your name isn't present it means you didn't leave an impression.

I am actually scumreading STD.

VOTE: STD

oh no
bingle is mafia
its cuz he has jason listed twice

That's why Bingle is town.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Bingle
I'll probably also vote Anix

this towncore that's forming is kinda lit ngl

Do we have a towncore?
*looks around in confusion*
Where?

[DragonEater70]

Damn guys page 16 is lit.

[Aureal]

also small little detail: i feel that the scum team received PMs that had different colors, as the fact that they are guaranteed to be formed of a team with a different designer for each role, which is what may have prompted the cook discussion about role PM colors. this is just theory crafting but how I explain that whole thing in a scum!cook world.

What happened to it being unethical to talk about PM colors?

Also what cook discussion?

[DragonEater70]

Yeah, ok. That's what I thought, DkKoba. And another substantive well-sourced accusation, StD. I'm not sure if you are Mafia, but you are definitely acting antitown.

Moving on to what I think will ACTUALLY help the town, I'm tempted to go very Danixian about this and say we might want to consider limming me (revealing roles on death are still standard, right?). I originally wanted to get at least one of my one-shot abilities off but game proceedings took me away from my activation clauses (I think one is still potentially available but not yet activated). And I don't think my abilities are SO good they need to be preserved at all costs (and honestly their activation clauses are a bit tricky so I might never actually get them off) but I do think my role represents a good cross-section of speculated parts of the game board that limming me will prove exist and give support to those who were claiming or hinting they exist as part of their role too.

I think I'd only want us to do this if we get a mass claim or at least a partial mass claim going because that's when it's most effective: confirming the possibility of certain elements within the game state with users already committed to supporting or denying their knowledge and participate in that element of the game state, rather than me dying and AFTERWARDS mafia being able to go "oh what a coincidence, that element is part of MY role too". (Obviously, I reserve the right to be like "Hmmm, that claim is so very sus I think we should switch to XYZ" but don't read into that as me disagreeing this plan is still with merit and we can still kill me if my arguments don't really go anywhere)

It might be a very old school perspective (although honestly, I don't really recall THAT much mechtalk even then), but I think mechbreaking this game is how it is going to be won and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is on that.

I'm okay with going for this tactic.

I feel like I've seen scum bingle not make a single joke and in this game jokes are literally pouring out of every orifice

I'm not sure what to make of it ultimately but I did tr bingle for it

nah they're mafia w/ anix

Please elaborate on this read

tbh bingle with anix is exactly the level 1 combo that gives me pause if it's not too easy and they're just kinda just happening to hit those notes rn, but it's not like for anix that they've attempted to be any more open about their reasoning (although to be fair players are readable beyond this but certain ways of going about this make me doubt this?

Like one has to wonder how I went from one of anix's top townreads into a scumread that is a vote coincidentally after I clarified my stance on them.)
Like the argument that I white knighted dragoneater doesn't really hold up bc I said the slot was obvtown b4 anyone pushed it

In fact it's odd that anix was not curious about that either bc where did that peogrssion go like why did the read just change and nothing that looks unresolved from a pov of someone starting to suspect our 2 slots makes sense from a genuine pov

No offense but I couldn't understand the grammar here, could you please clarify?

I think Cook spiritually vibes w/ me

if anix mafia we got a towncore of StD, you, me, cook, and dragoneater ez game

I think theta is pretty obviously town bc of that role madness town vibe where townies will sometimes talk about their role in a way that's just super natural and genuine. (The geneal lean is always that in a role madness game, townies with not OP roles will be open about their role, and mafia will be closed about their role unless they got some part that can be proven and can seem townie)

I do like this towncore actually

off the top of my head, here’s people i think have been making an impact and in what order

Koba
AniX
Alisae
Fenrir
DragonEater
Bingle
Ranger
Theta
CamelCasedSnivy
Ircher
KKFC

if i am missing your name you haven’t posted recently or i straight up forgot you existed

The fact you forgot Aureal existed is exactly the reason why I am reading Aureal as nullscum.