mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[DkKoba]

Koba bringing up an ancient ass game pings super weird when they most likely have much more recent experience with scum!Ranger but otherwise this one still doesn't super get the Koba wagon.

i literally did this with Ythan in team mafia, i will always find the most recent game I can. The most recent Ranger scumgame was 2016. i must use that game then. I have no other choice.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

imagine pulling meta from a game 7 years ago and claiming its accurate this is wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont even remember what I was like 7 years ago ngl

[HighPrincessErinys]

Koba bringing up an ancient ass game pings super weird when they most likely have much more recent experience with scum!Ranger but otherwise this one still doesn't super get the Koba wagon.

i literally did this with Ythan in team mafia, i will always find the most recent game I can. The most recent Ranger scumgame was 2016. i must use that game then. I have no other choice.

Fair enough. This one is mostly curious though if you went looking for a Ranger scumgame you were in to compare to, or if you were picking up similar vibes from Ranger compared to that nine year old game and went to grab it to prove it to others.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Cause those two intents feel REALLY different from one another.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea ofc theres no point looking at town games when you have an agenda amirite

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i havent read a single ranger game and i dont plan to btw

[DkKoba]

imagine pulling meta from a game 7 years ago and claiming its accurate this is wild

it is accurate for a baseline at minimum. people's playstyles dont change that drastically unless its the difference between a young teenager and adult

[HighPrincessErinys]

i havent read a single ranger game and i dont plan to btw

Me neither!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im way too lazy to meta someone in a baseball nightless where the scum r like heavily behind in setup balance and their only saving grace is TOMMY EDMAN

[DkKoba]

yea ofc theres no point looking at town games when you have an agenda amirite

yea ofc theres no point in reading my posts when you have an agenda amirite

Ranger feels NAI at best to me, I'd want the top tier in 930 explained

Peregrine's play has impressed. I don't see any hints of being informed on aspects of the game, any agenda, or any scum motive/intent behind their posts. I do see signs of solving. I believe the claim, and think it +town.

WhemeStar's been looking progressively more +town as the game unfolds. I've seen evolution in WhemeStar's thoughts and contributions, producing nuanced posts.

Here There Be Dragons are both displaying promising approaches in their perspective. While both are longstanding players capable of faking their contributions thusfar as scum, I've vibed with their...well, vibes, fairly consistently.

an example of town ranger actually capable of elaborating on a read

[Ranger]

old meta is still relevant meta.

It certainly can be. I'm not one to judge. However, selecting meta from one of my first scumgames onsite rather than my most recent one is sure an interesting choice. I can literally point to evidence from that game of my play this game being nothing remotely like my play here. There's certainly some similarities, which have survived the test of time. Still, arguing as you have is akin to saying "Ranger made repeatedly changing readslists in an old scumgame, Ranger is making repeatedly changing readslists in this game, therefore Ranger is scum".

While I've no say on how players judge my meta, I can certainly point the egregious nature of cherrypicking specific aspects from my oldest scumgame and arguing those playstyle elements being present indicate I'm scum here. I was quite literally, not figuratively, literally a different person back then. I remember precious little of my Blitz-era game days, because I wasn't playing them. Our system has undergone massive changes. Pretending those can be ignored and cherrypicking one instance of a vague similarity is disingenuous, and we know you know better than that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea ofc theres no point looking at town games when you have an agenda amirite

yea ofc theres no point in reading my posts when you have an agenda amirite

Ranger feels NAI at best to me, I'd want the top tier in 930 explained

Peregrine's play has impressed. I don't see any hints of being informed on aspects of the game, any agenda, or any scum motive/intent behind their posts. I do see signs of solving. I believe the claim, and think it +town.

WhemeStar's been looking progressively more +town as the game unfolds. I've seen evolution in WhemeStar's thoughts and contributions, producing nuanced posts.

Here There Be Dragons are both displaying promising approaches in their perspective. While both are longstanding players capable of faking their contributions thusfar as scum, I've vibed with their...well, vibes, fairly consistently.

an example of town ranger actually capable of elaborating on a read

thats cherrypicked

does town ranger elaborate on every read she has ever made?

[DkKoba]

old meta is still relevant meta.

It certainly can be. I'm not one to judge. However, selecting meta from one of my first scumgames onsite rather than my most recent one is sure an interesting choice. I can literally point to evidence from that game of my play this game being nothing remotely like my play here. There's certainly some similarities, which have survived the test of time. Still, arguing as you have is akin to saying "Ranger made repeatedly changing readslists in an old scumgame, Ranger is making repeatedly changing readslists in this game, therefore Ranger is scum".

While I've no say on how players judge my meta, I can certainly point the egregious nature of cherrypicking specific aspects from my oldest scumgame and arguing those playstyle elements being present indicate I'm scum here. I was quite literally, not figuratively, literally a different person back then. I remember precious little of my Blitz-era game days, because I wasn't playing them. Our system has undergone massive changes. Pretending those can be ignored and cherrypicking one instance of a vague similarity is disingenuous, and we know you know better than that.

i search for scumgames by looking for scum PTs, i ignored the purgatory game bc that is not mafia

[Ranger]

you certainly are obligated to elaborate if you respect the other players in the game

I respect the other players in the game.

I respect my time and life more than those of others in a forum mafia game. My obligation is to my life first and a game only as I can.

[DkKoba]

yea ofc theres no point looking at town games when you have an agenda amirite

yea ofc theres no point in reading my posts when you have an agenda amirite

Ranger feels NAI at best to me, I'd want the top tier in 930 explained

Peregrine's play has impressed. I don't see any hints of being informed on aspects of the game, any agenda, or any scum motive/intent behind their posts. I do see signs of solving. I believe the claim, and think it +town.

WhemeStar's been looking progressively more +town as the game unfolds. I've seen evolution in WhemeStar's thoughts and contributions, producing nuanced posts.

Here There Be Dragons are both displaying promising approaches in their perspective. While both are longstanding players capable of faking their contributions thusfar as scum, I've vibed with their...well, vibes, fairly consistently.

an example of town ranger actually capable of elaborating on a read

thats cherrypicked

does town ranger elaborate on every read she has ever made?

i dont care bc if u are town here u dont even respect my arguments bc you arent even considering them or reading things I say seriously.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Koba bringing up an ancient ass game pings super weird when they most likely have much more recent experience with scum!Ranger but otherwise this one still doesn't super get the Koba wagon.

its dawning on me koba joined in 2020 and was very much not in bloodborne mafia.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: DkKoba
This one apologizes but that is such a weird fucking move to pull.

[DkKoba]

you certainly are obligated to elaborate if you respect the other players in the game

I respect the other players in the game.

I respect my time and life more than those of others in a forum mafia game. My obligation is to my life first and a game only as I can.

explaining a natural thought takes very little time.

i would think your page by page readslist method takes more effort than just having thoughts


like what are u unable to verbalize any sort of thought, like "oh this led me to this"

its antithetical to the game of mafia and u are basically throwing as town by doing this to make your scum games easier. u want me to figure out which of your changes might gleam some AI information. but when i pressed you for reasoning on why you read me your answers were lame things like : "all the posts", "radiate scum", etc. all generic and bogus reasons.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: DkKoba
This one apologizes but that is such a weird fucking move to pull.

what is weird and why is it scummy

[Doctor Drew]

It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.

At least make it look like a real fight at this point.

[DkKoba]

It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.

At least make it look like a real fight at this point.

youre not helping with comments like this, go away unless you have something to contribute

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont care bc if u are town here u dont even respect my arguments bc you arent even considering them or reading things I say seriously.

ok koba correct me if I'm misunderstanding you ok?


your argument is that ranger is mafia because she is not elaborating on her read on you and if she were town then she would elaborate on her read on you.

for your evidence you've provided one example of ranger!town in a completed game elaborating on a read.

now for that evidence to be conclusive - it would also have to be true that ranger!town in every completed game would have to elaborate on all of her reads[or reads when asked]

now if you think that's true we can go on to the next step of asking ranger if she's ever not elaborated on a read as town in a completed game.

Any issues?

[DkKoba]

im trying to push people to explain their thought processes

it is NOT my fault that people want to fight back against it

[Doctor Drew]

It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.

At least make it look like a real fight at this point.

youre not helping with comments like this, go away unless you have something to contribute

I am contributing, this is such contrived theater between you two.