mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[Ranger]

where I could be wrong is that Ranger might not be complicit in all this(ie not scum), and legit is trying to defend her point.

If ever you wonder if I'm complicit in theater, the answer is I'm not.

[DkKoba]

Internet cut out and I had a big post ready to go but I can't send it now, not gonna bother retyping and will send tomorrow when internet is back

[DkKoba]

dkkoba and ranger are scum together

VOTE: dkkoba

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[Ranger]

this is a policy push for disrespecting the players and refusing to engage in a way that is better readable

I've no problem being plenty readable to players. I've also little issue in most games with focusing on fun over winning. I'm quite certain your portrayal of your push on me as policy is a favored scum tactic of yours, although I've not the time to verify tonight.

[Ranger]

not_mafia is more readable than this bc at least his actions show his intentions

So do mine.

I've provided readslists.

When engaged, I've provided the reasons for changes in them.

I've explained the basis of those reads as what they are, primarily gut.

And normally, you would be able to see this.

That you don't this game, I find suspect.

[Ranger]

holy shit can we please wagon ranger until they actually start playing

I started playing on P1.

We should consider wagoning DKKoba until they are engaging in good faith.

[DkKoba]

this is a policy push for disrespecting the players and refusing to engage in a way that is better readable

I've no problem being plenty readable to players. I've also little issue in most games with focusing on fun over winning. I'm quite certain your portrayal of your push on me as policy is a favored scum tactic of yours, although I've not the time to verify tonight.

whatever I decided that u are probably town I just wanted u to give me something I can actually argue against

Literally have SEVERAL people voting me with very poor reasoning or none at all and it's fuckjng frustrating bc it's just giving scum a free fucking pass to do what they want bc there is no critical thought involved

VOTE: drew

[DkKoba]

holy shit can we please wagon ranger until they actually start playing

I started playing on P1.

We should consider wagoning DKKoba

until they are engaging in good faith.

What a load of hypocrisy

[DkKoba]

no one gives a fucking shit about seeing things from my pov and then when I flip town it's like "oh no how did we Misread koba"

[Ranger]

Granted, that page is very outdated

Actually far less so than you'd think. I went through and updated it

mostly

. A computer crash caused me to lose my work on verifying the accuracy. There was a potential numbers discrepancy I was aiming to fix, and I lost my work before finishing. Still, if I didn't mess up, all pre-2022 games should be listed. Many descriptions are cringe, due to how pretentious and entitled they are. They're still largely accurate anyway.

[Ranger]

yeah something I can agree on because you dont have one to examine.

I

do

. That you can't see it here is suspect.

[DkKoba]

koba cant:
Not post on their bday to not stress over mafia
Decide to approach a game chilled because it's meant to be long-form
But also don't tryhard, that's extra scummy because clearly you're pushing agenda
Oh also don't expect people to have explanations for anything , that's just bad faith
Oh but if koba doesn't explain that's super scummy
Voting koba = towny because koba scummy because koba scummy

Do u fucking see what I am seeing from my pov

Like what am I supposed to see

This is it.
This is what I understand to be why people are thinking I'm scum

I just wanted to fucking enjoy a game

does this LOOK like a gamestate where I have 4 buddies to help me??

[DkKoba]

yeah something I can agree on because you dont have one to examine.

I

do

. That you can't see it here is suspect.

Name something I have done that isn't suspect

[Ranger]

half the reason yall reach wrong conclusions in mafia is bc you dont care about seeing how someone else is perceiving what theyre doing and why

That you've not applied this to me is a large factor in why I believe you're scum.

[Ranger]

Okay, this one can believe how you found that PT, but it just speaks to a complete lack of effort to ACTUALLY find the most recent game.

Almost like the 'effort' was made in bad faith and not genuine.

[DkKoba]

I have dealt with people who tunnel like you my whole time playing forum mafia
Whether that's someone like donempire, or quick, or furtiveglance, or whoever else.

Always the fucking same boring ass circular arguments that can't be overcome because the person with the read refuses to listen and is so far up their tunnel they forgot that it's ok to admit they're wrong

[DkKoba]

Okay, this one can believe how you found that PT, but it just speaks to a complete lack of effort to ACTUALLY find the most recent game.

Almost like the 'effort' was made in bad faith and not genuine.

Ironic considering your last post NGL

[Ranger]

ok well protip: when someone is getting obviously frustrated at how you are playing because they want to actually read your slot and are showing that, that person is probably town

True!

You don't look frustrated.

You look argumentative.

The two, while similar, aren't the same. I've seen no signs of frustration from you. I've seen consistent signs of arguing from you.

[DkKoba]

ok well protip: when someone is getting obviously frustrated at how you are playing because they want to actually read your slot and are showing that, that person is probably town

True!

You don't look frustrated.

You look argumentative.

The two, while similar, aren't the same. I've seen no signs of frustration from you. I've seen consistent signs of arguing from you.

what the fuck is wrong with yoh

[DkKoba]

"I've seen no signs of frustration from you"

The post you replied to is a sign, maybe you're just not reading bud

[Ranger]

how do you expect a townie who is being accused of things they know are false to react? (yes i realize this is also tied into my meta argument - but my counter is that I presented it and am using it to push you to explain things)
how do you expect a townie to react to people pushing them for unsubstantiated reasons?
how do you expect a townie to react to another player refusing to give specifics?

These differ by player being pushed, players doing the pushing, and even game. There's no universal answer.

I'll say the way you've reacted is how I'd expect scum-you to react and not town-you. This is mental memory of your meta, and I confess will require research when I'm able to. (

Soonest

would be Wednesday.)

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.3 !

DkKoba (7):

Doctor Drew, Ranger, PookyTheMagicalBear, Meuh, Alisae, HighPrincessErinys, xyzzy

ofrhz (4):

The Bulge, Dannflor, MUSHSHAGANA, Skygazer

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):

RCEnigma, SirCakez

SirCakez (1):

iamveryhappy

Ranger (1):

Morning Tweet

iamveryhappy (1):

ofrhz

Doctor Drew (1):

DkKoba

not voting (2):

BlueSnakelet, sheepsaysmeep

with 19 alive, it takes 10 to rake someone over the coals. day 1 ends when you make it end. i'm killing hostages.

moderateur notes

• ranger is VLA at various times in the near future per 292

[DkKoba]

VOTE: pooky
Did not realize I was alone on finding pooky obvious scum

[DkKoba]

how do you expect a townie who is being accused of things they know are false to react? (yes i realize this is also tied into my meta argument - but my counter is that I presented it and am using it to push you to explain things)
how do you expect a townie to react to people pushing them for unsubstantiated reasons?
how do you expect a townie to react to another player refusing to give specifics?

These differ by player being pushed, players doing the pushing, and even game. There's no universal answer.

I'll say the way you've reacted is how I'd expect scum-you to react and not town-you. This is mental memory of your meta, and I confess will require research when I'm able to. (

Soonest

would be Wednesday.)

Should I scumread you for assuming my meta without reading it?

[DkKoba]

ok internet is back on PC, post which was drafted :

bc getting caught in this kinda circular feedback loop where its like "ok i think this person is scummy so i need to take what they are doing doing find a reason for why its scummy. ok cool i have a reason, theyre still scummy" etc.

i think u are actually way better than this as town seeing your townplay and seeing u get into a tunnel like this is uncharacteristic of you and that is why i am highly critical of the logic you used to find it bc you dropped me low when i had a low amount of posts -> during a time i was clearly just not online. i do not believe you found players like Meuh to have a "vibe' that good off those 4 posts.

it doesnt add up, the reads dont make sense in context to what was going on in thread, and holding back reasoning is just scummy af here. ofc doubling down on not explaining and just copping out with "its just how i play" doesnt help. what do u think im supposed to do as town in this scenario? say "oh my bad i guess ill let you slide for free, youre extra special after all and deserve special treatment over other players who i also expect to explain things with some level of logic"