Newbie 2128 - Manila Noir - Postgame

[Alianna]

Unofficial VC for reference:

DkKoba (E-2): Starfire, Deltabreedy
Starfire (1): SmileyDude1
Deltabreedy (1): DkKoba

Not Voting (3): Alianna, ender, iamveryhappy

[Alianna]

Delta/Jason is the only slot who has not done anything that makes me want to townread them this game, so I'm fine putting a vote there.

VOTE: Deltabreedy

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE COUNT 2.2

TO BE CONTINUED.

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Deltabreedy (2):

DkKoba, Alianna

DkKoba (2):

Starfire, Deltabreedy

Starfire (1):

SmileyDude1

Not Voting (2):

ender, iamveryhappy

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to eliminate someone.

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-08-10 18:15:00)

[SmileyDude1]

Alright we have less than 2 days left so I think it's best to start consolidating here.

I've been thinking about the gamestate and atm I feel pretty confident in the current towncore I have of myself,happy,and DK. I need to figure out Alianna/Ender though, I entered today leaning Ender as the final member of the towncore, but I'm liking Alianna's day 2 and the lack of content from Ender this day phase is starting to raise some doubts.

I've been paranoid about the Delta slot since I saw the flip today, and I don't think Delta has really done anything to assuage my concerns so
UNVOTE: Starfire
VOTE: Deltabreedy

E-1

[Deltabreedy]

From what I can see Koba's only motivation for voting me boils down to:

- I'm voting for them
- Faulty meta reads

Alianna, how you're townreading Koba despite a fraudulent claim (which frankly, I place no stock in) and no desire to solve (hence the faulty meta reads to force a mislim) is beyond me.

[Deltabreedy]

Koba seems to enjoy playing games other than this one, but can't actually list anything I've done this game (or indeed that Jason did this game) that's actually a reason to lim? They defaulted to meta from EIGHT YEARS AGO for Jason, and they started with a conclusion that I'm scum and have worked backwards to try and paint my meta game as a reason for painting me as scum.

I've decided that I'm not going to engage directly with Koba this game because they've made clear that they want to make it an unpleasant environment for me, between them and their 'friends' out of game (Gee, I hope you didn't discuss my involvement in the game outside of this thread!). If someone wants to be toxic, I shan't be rising to it again, I shan't be engaging with them. It's their business.

A few things to think about:
- Why is Koba seeking to manipulate and to bully rather than solve?
- Why does Koba rely on faulty meta reads and very obtuse lies about my character in order to assert that I'm scum?
- Why are they -ok- with you being suddenly nice to them, Alianna when really that'd frequently be seen as rather odd?

@Smiley I want you to look at this as well. You're reasonably blindly sheeping Koba's vote and your reasoning whilst better is flimsy as hell.

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Koba's playing a lazy game that relies on lies, deceit and manipulation. None of these are town markers, or even particularly pleasant. I won't accept any other lim today.

[DkKoba]

well maybe look harder mate

[Deltabreedy]

I'm not your mate.

[DkKoba]

I think 4 people are way townier than u, wazza was p scummy in their approach, it's p simple.

You just described aspects of my play in general tho lmao. My sig mentions manipulation for a reason, that quote is from a towngame from someone who townread me.

[DkKoba]

I think 4 people are way townier than u, wazza was p scummy in their approach, it's p simple.

You just described aspects of my play in general tho lmao. My sig mentions manipulation for a reason, that quote is from a towngame from someone who townread me.

[DkKoba]

I'm not your mate.

did you look mate

[iamveryhappy]

that looks so much like me dropping nonexistent softs in PS lol
get summaried: I need to eat a muffin aaaa

[iamveryhappy]

that appeal to enotion though

[Deltabreedy]

To be crystal on this, I think you're a dick, Koba. Just so that we know where each other stands, after your behaviour this game I categorically do not like you. You've deliberately sought solely to antagonise as well as lie about my person and I think your sole aim since I joined the game has been to try and make me replace back out due to some pre-conceived slight despite never having spoken before.

So no, not your friend and you can't overturn my point, so you're now just trying to antagonise and lie more. 'Oh I'm just like this' doesn't excuse your behaviour, and that's the last thing I'll say on this before you blow this up into a big thing.

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There's no truth to anything Koba is saying, be that about my meta, or even the reason that they voted me. They thought Alianna was scum but then have dropped off of that and through complete fabrication have sought to push this on me instead. It's frustrating because Alianna's gone and sheeped them and so has Smiley.

The question now with this is who is the partner? Is it Alianna whose slot I still struggle to reconcile the previous occupants actions, is it Star who I previously suspected or is it Smiley who's piled onto the wagon with scant justification?

I won't accept a lim on anyone other than Koba today. They need to go. Beyond that and into tomorrow, my lim pool as of right now would look like Star/Alianna I think, with a side eye cast at Smiley and Ender in my peripheral but not really there.

[iamveryhappy]

Who do you mean by Koba's friend

[Deltabreedy]

I need people to explain their townreads on Koba, now.

If I'm missing something that's pretty key, tell me. I think the reasoning behind the Doc claim is a crock to be honest, so I shan't really be accepting that as a sole justification.

[DkKoba]

I hope u know I read the entirety of every post you make, none of them are towny, just emotional arguments about "oh woe is me koba bulli me and totally has 0 reason to push me"

Yeah I pushed aliana and stopped bc I did this thing called "reevaluation" bc they stayed steadfast in heat and didn't waver despite what I threw at then which implies heavily a lack of a guilty mindset (plus they have the best posting pit of any slot here atp)

[DkKoba]

Who do you mean by Koba's friend

he thinks there are scary conspiracies against him in a game they chose to replace into

[DkKoba]

I need people to explain their townreads on Koba, now.

If I'm missing something that's pretty key, tell me. I think the reasoning behind the Doc claim is a crock to be honest, so I shan't really be accepting that as a sole justification.

Kinda crazy, offering doc cover to potentially get a cop report or at least force the kill onto a VT yknow

[Deltabreedy]

i have heard not so great things from friends about delta's play so im kinda resigned to that we are on the back foot

This post, IAVH - where Koba intimated that people in the community external to this game have suggested that I'm not nice to play with or whatever.

After this, they sought to deliberately antagonise (which they admitted to in #902) and from there knew exactly what to say to get under my skin - I.E referring to my last game in the Newbie queue in which I defended myself against a mafia member that intimated that a vast amount of MS doesn't like me - something which was pretty horribly emotionally manipulative.

I'm very open and have said several times that I play off a lot of emotion - all Koba has really looked to do is make my angry so that I can't form a coherent argument against them, because they're scum, I'm town and forcing a mislim today benefits them greatly.

[Deltabreedy]

Yeah they're going to lie to you as well now IAVH, get ready for it.

[Deltabreedy]

Who do you mean by Koba's friend

he thinks there are scary conspiracies against him in a game they chose to replace into

You admitted to talking about me with friends of yours, and used that as a basis for attacking my character when again, there is zero truth to it.

Nothing that you've said about me, intimated about my character, or inferred about my meta is actually true and yet you cling to this argument because it's all you have. Who are you going to turn on tomorrow?

[Deltabreedy]

You also deliberately sought to get under my skin, but then scumread me not because of the reaction, but because of faulty meta. Your intention to rile me up then wasn't part of some scumhunting agenda, it was just a ploy to render me ineffective as a replacement in, with fresh eyes and the ability to read the thread unburdened by 2 weeks or so of gameplay.

[DkKoba]

if i supposedly have a grudge against u that makes the argument of me being scum pushing you kinda moot, doesn't it?

[Deltabreedy]

None of this is AtE, Happy. This is just a truthful representation of what happened, because I've no ulterior motives unlike Koba.

I see no evidence of scumhunting whatsoever, just an arbitary decision on my scumhood which they've had to scramble and stretch in order to justify.
I see no reason to believe their claim of Doc was designed to draw away a kill. At best, it was an attempt to draw a CC and guide the shots.
They've worked to render me ineffective as a player by making me angry. They succeeded for a while - but why would Town!Koba need to do that? They tried to assert that it was part of their scumhunting, but then their sole justification on me was through meta, and now the justification is 'everyone else is town'. So the antagonistic behaviour was solely a screen to prevent me from holding any legitimacy or coherency in my arguments.

Ninja'd:
Not really - how you feel about me and your alignment don't interact in that way, but would give a good cover for you to push on me in the way that you are. Again, you've not yet brought up one reason from -this- game to vote me. You're yet to decide who you think a partner is because you're playing in a very short-sighted manner, designed solely to push -today's- mislim. Your play is, to me, objectively scummy, and then there is also the context and the reason that you happened upon this character read and how you're using it that suggest scumhood. If you were town, you wouldn't use it as justification and take it as truth - I imagine (and this is just how I would approach it), you'd find out for yourself and actually engage rather than skip straight to antagonising me fruitlessly.