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[DragonEater70]

Sorry Alianna but this one is mine

How dare you.

- Alianna

[Civil Scum]

See, PC says that reaching is about facts and logic. He knows I wasn’t disputing any facts he’s provided, just suggesting that his presentation of the conclusions that can be drawn was I don’t know “far-fetched”, “blown out of proportion?”

“Likely scum motivated”, “Clearly lashing out” “A testing of the waters”

If you reach any harder your damn arms are gonna fall off.

I think it’s clear I was taking issue with his conclusions and assignment of motive, not facts or chronology.

Like, he’s also just putting too much stock in his own impressions of behavior from Bob, behavior I don’t think is all that scummy.

Maybe reaching wasn’t the best word, but I’m struggling to think of what else to call it.

But it’s clear from my post where I call it reaching that I was not taking issue with the facts in any strictly logical sense, so is was strange for him to suggest that I was.

[Hu Tao]

Yimmy - PC says “this is the exact definition of reaching” and you can’t show that I’ve done this. And therefore you were also wrong to say I was reaching.

Problem is, reaching has many definitions for different people.

This is as clear an instance of strawmanning as I have seen in this game.

All 3 scum seem to just be in the: PC, Greeting, Starfire, Yimmy group. I seem to have a reason to somewhat Town read everyone else.

Why are you townreading Bellaphant, KKFC, RN, and IAVH?

Bella happy and KKFC are all on tone. RN is mostly claim since I believe it at the moment. Either way I wouldn't want him at the moment being voted out

[Civil Scum]

Let’s assume Naerys is JK, do y’all think she should target me?

[Civil Scum]

bro pc never defined reaching. he wouldn't have. he was the first person to use the word. the only point in his original post was how obvious it seemed to you (by my interpretation). like if we are talking about self-serving interpretations maybe it's not the guy who used maybe vague language but actually it's you cs
is "derailing" when someone wants to talk sbout something that's not what you are talking about?

ignore my questions, im logging off

I’m sorry you feel that way. Maybe we can try again later when PC doesn’t feel like interrupting.

[Civil Scum]

sorry when we're you accused of reaching cs? the post you quoted was pc defending himself against you accusing him of reaching
nobody cares how many meanings the word has. answer the question. play the game please pretty pretty please

Since I never said I was accused of reaching, I realized you must have been confused.

I traced your confusion to my very confusing placement of quotation marks in my paraphrase of PC below.

Yimmy - PC says “this is the exact definition of reaching” and you can’t show that I’ve done this. And therefore you were also wrong to say I was reaching.

Problem is, reaching has many definitions for different people.

This is as clear an instance of strawmanning as I have seen in this game.

All 3 scum seem to just be in the: PC, Greeting, Starfire, Yimmy group. I seem to have a reason to somewhat Town read everyone else.

Why are you townreading Bellaphant, KKFC, RN, and IAVH?

Which I tried to rectify here.

Yimmy - PC says “this is the exact definition of reaching and you can’t show that I’ve done this. And therefore you were also wrong to say I was reaching.”

Problem is, reaching has many definitions for different people.

This is as clear an instance of strawmanning as I have seen in this game.

All 3 scum seem to just be in the: PC, Greeting, Starfire, Yimmy group. I seem to have a reason to somewhat Town read everyone else.

Why are you townreading Bellaphant, KKFC, RN, and IAVH?

I moved the quotes in paraphrasing PC. Does that help?

I was trying to make a good faith effort to answer your questions.

[Civil Scum]

You know Yimmy, in reading over PC and mine’s latest spat. I can’t quite figure why you wanted to get in the middle of it. Presumably PC and I are two of your top suspects arguing back in forth, yet you seem decidedly on the side of PC…

[Political Clout]

I've changed my mind again.

I want to lock town these people
Random Nurse - claim
Yimmy - clearly solving
Civil Scum - just a bad townie causing chaos
Political Clout - obvious town
Naerys - claim
KatyKimFanClub - interaction with nearys

lean town
hu tao - I can see them trying to solve
happy - gut read
dragons - gut read

poe scum is in any order
greeting
bella
starfire
bob

[Civil Scum]

I've changed my mind again.

I want to lock town these people
Random Nurse - claim
Yimmy - clearly solving
Civil Scum - just a bad townie causing chaos
Political Clout - obvious town
Naerys - claim
KatyKimFanClub - interaction with nearys

lean town
hu tao - I can see them trying to solve
happy - gut read
dragons - gut read

poe scum is in any order
greeting
bella
starfire
bob

In any order? Are you joking me?

[Political Clout]

I've changed my mind again.

I want to lock town these people
Random Nurse - claim
Yimmy - clearly solving
Civil Scum - just a bad townie causing chaos
Political Clout - obvious town
Naerys - claim
KatyKimFanClub - interaction with nearys

lean town
hu tao - I can see them trying to solve
happy - gut read
dragons - gut read

poe scum is in any order
greeting
bella
starfire
bob

In any order? Are you joking me?

Why don't you jusy say what problem you have instead of me having to ask you because you clearly don't answer any questions.

[Civil Scum]

Sorry, it just really jumped out at me since I personally can’t think of a time that I didn’t have a top suspect at this stage of the game.

[Civil Scum]

However, I will also note that I have gone on to try to explain what I meant. In rereading that page I also see myself making it clear prior to your post defining “reaching” that I was not accusing you of exaggerating facts. And I gotta tell ya, I’ve been thinking about it a little and I’m not even really sure what an “exaggerated fact” is.

[Civil Scum]

VOTE: srarfire

Can you expand on your vote please?

[Political Clout]

However, I will also note that I have gone on to try to explain what I meant. In rereading that page I also see myself making it clear prior to your post defining “reaching” that I was not accusing you of exaggerating facts. And I gotta tell ya, I’ve been thinking about it a little and I’m not even really sure what an “exaggerated fact” is.

Brother in Christ...just why?

Just quote your post and say I actually meant this or I was trying to say this. I can't read your mind and I'm not going to guess at what you are trying to actually say since you refuse to actually say it. To me it just reads as you trying to own me for whatever reason. Why we spent like 4 pages on this I will never know. Why you refuse to just say what you actually meant I will probably never know.

[Political Clout]

In the case a bit of pressure on you to see how you react and the after that reaction see who aligns but never realy has a justification behidn there read. In this case PC who went after LnHF but never actualy tried to sort you


so odds are very high that PC is scum

Like this post for example it's weird that we're consolidating so he throws out my name and pairs it with a very high chance that I'm scum. Where is the vote the deadline is frozen why not push me? It feels like they just threw out my name to see what other people would think before they vote me. A testing of the waters. Bobby already has civil scums vote surely. The whole thing is weird and likely scum motivated.

And yet i normaly always solve the game :-P

Saying im not solving is just weak sause.

VOTE: Political Clout

Notice now that I push boberino does he actually vote. This is the same.logic he is using that he defended hi tao with. If it was deserving of a vote now why wasn't it deserving of a vote them? Bob-o is clearly lashing out here since I dared attack his slot.

“Likely scum motivated”, “Clearly lashing out” “A testing of the waters”

If you reach any harder your damn arms are gonna fall off.

Likely scum motivated is a contention

The basis for this belief is that before this I posted a short snippet of why I thought Bob was potentially scum. Bob later posts that I have high scum equity because of low hanging fruit. In this he did what I accused him of he "revealed" what he was doing all along and tada found scum. I said it was weird because it is weird that he just did what I accused him of to me. It's weird because if I have such high scum equity why didn't he vote me then and their? It's weird because the deadline is frozen so why not push my slot more therefore it is likely scum motivated which is my contention with the supporting facts the basis for that belief.

Clearly lashing out is an assertion.

He then votes me because it's weak sauce that I say he's not solving the game. He saw me post and say what I said about him not voting me and to me it is clear that he is lashing out at me for calling out his slot as demonstrated by his what I think is an emotional post as he is angry that I said he wasn't solving further evidenced by him saying he usually solves the entire game saying he is a mafia god.

Testing of the waters in an assumption.

This is an assumption because while I do believe that Bob is testing the waters I don't have clear evidence for this and am interpreting his post as such because one he doesn't vote me and simply says this slot has a high chance of being scum without elaboration and when challenged on it votes me for another reason that I'm accusing him of not solving.

So please civil scum tell me what the idiomatic saying if you reach any harder your arm is going to fall off means.

[Random Nurse]

I've changed my mind again.

I want to lock town these people
Random Nurse - claim
Yimmy - clearly solving
Civil Scum - just a bad townie causing chaos
Political Clout - obvious town
Naerys - claim
KatyKimFanClub - interaction with nearys

lean town
hu tao - I can see them trying to solve
happy - gut read
dragons - gut read

poe scum is in any order
greeting
bella
starfire
bob

You're gonna put me in LockTown just because of my claim? Your reaction seems much different from the paranoia CS exudes in response to my claim.

[Political Clout]

I've changed my mind again.

I want to lock town these people
Random Nurse - claim
Yimmy - clearly solving
Civil Scum - just a bad townie causing chaos
Political Clout - obvious town
Naerys - claim
KatyKimFanClub - interaction with nearys

lean town
hu tao - I can see them trying to solve
happy - gut read
dragons - gut read

poe scum is in any order
greeting
bella
starfire
bob

You're gonna put me in LockTown just because of my claim? Your reaction seems much different from the paranoia CS exudes in response to my claim.

I've thought it over a lot. I decided to take a leap of faith. Also I don't think you are remembering our initial interactions.

[Random Nurse]

I've changed my mind again.

I want to lock town these people
Random Nurse - claim
Yimmy - clearly solving
Civil Scum - just a bad townie causing chaos
Political Clout - obvious town
Naerys - claim
KatyKimFanClub - interaction with nearys

lean town
hu tao - I can see them trying to solve
happy - gut read
dragons - gut read

poe scum is in any order
greeting
bella
starfire
bob

You're gonna put me in LockTown just because of my claim? Your reaction seems much different from the paranoia CS exudes in response to my claim.

I've thought it over a lot. I decided to take a leap of faith. Also I don't think you are remembering our initial interactions.

A leap of faith? In a game of Mafia.

Are you open to limming Naerys or Greeting Day 1 currently?

[Political Clout]

I've changed my mind again.

I want to lock town these people
Random Nurse - claim
Yimmy - clearly solving
Civil Scum - just a bad townie causing chaos
Political Clout - obvious town
Naerys - claim
KatyKimFanClub - interaction with nearys

lean town
hu tao - I can see them trying to solve
happy - gut read
dragons - gut read

poe scum is in any order
greeting
bella
starfire
bob

You're gonna put me in LockTown just because of my claim? Your reaction seems much different from the paranoia CS exudes in response to my claim.

I've thought it over a lot. I decided to take a leap of faith. Also I don't think you are remembering our initial interactions.

A leap of faith? In a game of Mafia.

Are you open to limming Naerys or Greeting Day 1 currently?

I'm voting greeting

[Random Nurse]

I've changed my mind again.

I want to lock town these people
Random Nurse - claim
Yimmy - clearly solving
Civil Scum - just a bad townie causing chaos
Political Clout - obvious town
Naerys - claim
KatyKimFanClub - interaction with nearys

lean town
hu tao - I can see them trying to solve
happy - gut read
dragons - gut read

poe scum is in any order
greeting
bella
starfire
bob

You're gonna put me in LockTown just because of my claim? Your reaction seems much different from the paranoia CS exudes in response to my claim.

I've thought it over a lot. I decided to take a leap of faith. Also I don't think you are remembering our initial interactions.

A leap of faith? In a game of Mafia.

Are you open to limming Naerys or Greeting Day 1 currently?

I'm voting greeting

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Are you open to limming Naerys today, or Hu Tao?

[Random Nurse]

Also, please do explain to me your leap of faith.

As they say, the Devil is in the details.

[Civil Scum]

I would think you’d be voting for Bob.

So you’re admitting that I was taking issue with your “contentions, assertions, and assumptions” not with your facts?

Great I’m glad we cleared that up.

[Political Clout]

Also, please do explain to me your leap of faith.

As they say, the Devil is in the details.

It is very boring and very simple. Statistically you are probably town. paired with a miller claim gives you more town equity as I said before what gave me pause was the fact that you didn't claim immediately but eventually did claim miller toe the more I think about it the more I realize people play differently but ultimately you decided it was better for town to know your role very early in the game makes me believe you. Paired with the fact that if I just believe your claim the game gets a lot easier for me. And I do like easy.

[Political Clout]

I would think you’d be voting for Bob.

So you’re admitting that I was taking issue with your “contentions, assertions, and assumptions” not with your facts?

Great I’m glad we cleared that up.

You're just embarrassing yourself now lil bro. Someone needs to put you out of my misery.

[Political Clout]

I've changed my mind again.

I want to lock town these people
Random Nurse - claim
Yimmy - clearly solving
Civil Scum - just a bad townie causing chaos
Political Clout - obvious town
Naerys - claim
KatyKimFanClub - interaction with nearys

lean town
hu tao - I can see them trying to solve
happy - gut read
dragons - gut read

poe scum is in any order
greeting
bella
starfire
bob

You're gonna put me in LockTown just because of my claim? Your reaction seems much different from the paranoia CS exudes in response to my claim.

I've thought it over a lot. I decided to take a leap of faith. Also I don't think you are remembering our initial interactions.

A leap of faith? In a game of Mafia.

Are you open to limming Naerys or Greeting Day 1 currently?

I'm voting greeting

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Are you open to limming Naerys today, or Hu Tao?

I don't see those wagons happening at all. But no I'm not open to it.