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Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:07 pm

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In post 1123, Civil Scum wrote: If you were one of the top elimination targets in D-1 as a scum, would you ever consider claiming JK and claim a strong read on a townie based on a lack of vigilantes, such that you would be in essence fishing for two counter claims at once?
Only if I were one.
jk is not an easy role to fakeclaim, bear that in mind
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Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:09 pm

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Why is it hard to fake claim?
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Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:18 pm

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In post 1126, Civil Scum wrote: Why is it hard to fake claim?
You’re being a roleblocker AND a doc
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Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:23 pm

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I’m pretty new to a lot PRs. Can you explain this further for a PR newb such as myself?
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Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:23 pm

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In post 1103, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1050, Random Nurse wrote: Bob feels more... different... this game.
I disagree. He seems similar
how confident are you that bob is town?
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Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:41 pm

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Naerys, in your next post after claiming JK, you wrote this.
In post 889, Naerys wrote: I was trying to avoid attention. Especially the scum, since i didnt want to get nked at n1. It doesnt really matter, does it?
Can you explain this a bit more. In what ways might a person tip off scum to their being a PR?
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Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:44 pm

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Looker reaplaces Greeting. Please welcome them to the game!


The deadline resumes. Day 1 ends in
(expired on 2023-08-15 02:44:04).
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Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:04 pm

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We are running out of time. KKFC, please come back and do the right thing. And ask yourself where PC’s “wall posts” are?
In post 1086, Civil Scum wrote:
In post 1075, Save The Dragons wrote: CS can you give a short case of why you think PC is scum

VOTE: Bella for now
What I said about PC mentioning his own rereading while not feeling like saying much is completely out of line with his personality and style.

I believe this assessment will resonate strongly with KKFC who has played with him recently.
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Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:07 pm

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Though many of my scum pairings depend on which way Naerys alignment goes, I will say that in isolation I am very much on the fence with regard to her alignment.

She does sound very genuine at times, such as in this post below:
In post 904, Naerys wrote:
In post 903, Save The Dragons wrote: I think
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Tactical approach to crumbing
Ought to be used
When crumbing
Now
Not everyone is as creative as you.
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Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:47 pm

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There is something to be said about letting the thread breathe and allowing for interactions between other players. At present someone is allowing scum to hide.
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Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:49 pm

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I can't convey just how townie yimmys posts are but it is very clear they are town. If someone suspects yummy they are very clearly wrong or are scum.
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Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:00 pm

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Is starfire getting replaced or...
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Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:00 pm

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In post 1134, Political Clout wrote: There is something to be said about letting the thread breathe and allowing for interactions between other players. At present someone is allowing scum to hide.
Yeah I’ve been overboard but almost no one has posted in like two days so…
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Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:01 pm

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In post 1129, Political Clout wrote:
In post 1103, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1050, Random Nurse wrote: Bob feels more... different... this game.
I disagree. He seems similar
how confident are you that bob is town?
I'm not that confident. I think my other town reads are stronger. But he sounds like last game and he was town then so :lol: at the very least I don't want him today
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Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:02 pm

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i think they are on VLA. there last post said somethign about till wednesday and i assume they meant the 16th as they woldnt have need a vla for last wednesday
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Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:02 pm

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Also welcome Looker!
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Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:02 pm

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In post 1125, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1123, Civil Scum wrote: If you were one of the top elimination targets in D-1 as a scum, would you ever consider claiming JK and claim a strong read on a townie based on a lack of vigilantes, such that you would be in essence fishing for two counter claims at once?
Only if I were one.
jk is not an easy role to fakeclaim, bear that in mind
In post 1126, Civil Scum wrote: Why is it hard to fake claim?
In post 1127, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1126, Civil Scum wrote: Why is it hard to fake claim?
You’re being a roleblocker AND a doc
Yep easier for scum just to claim something like doc/bg, so if naerys was scum it would far more likely that it would be a true claim. And if the player was fishing for roles before their flip then there are better claims too. So either naerys is scum 2 shot jk or rookie town 2 shot jk
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Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:36 pm

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In post 1128, Civil Scum wrote: I’m pretty new to a lot PRs. Can you explain this further for a PR newb such as myself?
I'm not sure what you want me to explain further, sorry
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Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:55 am

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Hello, I'm here - is there anything I should know? Or are you willing to wait until I read all 46 pages? UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:58 am

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In post 1143, Looker wrote: Hello, I'm here - is there anything I should know? Or are you willing to wait until I read all 46 pages? UNVOTE:
Spoiler:
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whats is the airspeed velocity of unladen swallow?
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Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:13 am

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In post 1143, Looker wrote: Hello, I'm here - is there anything I should know? Or are you willing to wait until I read all 46 pages? UNVOTE:
Spoiler:
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I'd like you to read up yourself and tell us you think.
Welcome!
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Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:18 am

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In post 1142, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1128, Civil Scum wrote: I’m pretty new to a lot PRs. Can you explain this further for a PR newb such as myself?
I'm not sure what you want me to explain further, sorry
I still don’t understand why it’s harder to fake claim JK than BG or Cop.
In post 1141, bob3141 wrote:
In post 1125, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1123, Civil Scum wrote: If you were one of the top elimination targets in D-1 as a scum, would you ever consider claiming JK and claim a strong read on a townie based on a lack of vigilantes, such that you would be in essence fishing for two counter claims at once?
Only if I were one.
jk is not an easy role to fakeclaim, bear that in mind
In post 1126, Civil Scum wrote: Why is it hard to fake claim?
In post 1127, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1126, Civil Scum wrote: Why is it hard to fake claim?
You’re being a roleblocker AND a doc
Yep easier for scum just to claim something like doc/bg, so if naerys was scum it would far more likely that it would be a true claim. And if the player was fishing for roles before their flip then there are better claims too. So either naerys is scum 2 shot jk or rookie town 2 shot jk
So let me get this straight, JK can also be a scum role, therefore Naerys might have “truly” claimed complex JK. This means she might have done so without realizing that it ran counter to her assumption about vigilantes.

That’s interesting and might mean that I need to adjust my scum pool for PC-Naerys-X since the third scum no longer need be a mastermind. I think I got on that idea based on how newbie the earlyness of the claim seemed coupled with someone saying they thought the complex modifier running counter to her vigilante assumption was further evidence of her newbie-ness.
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Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:31 am

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In post 1146, Civil Scum wrote:
In post 1142, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1128, Civil Scum wrote: I’m pretty new to a lot PRs. Can you explain this further for a PR newb such as myself?
I'm not sure what you want me to explain further, sorry
I still don’t understand why it’s harder to fake claim JK than BG or Cop.
In post 1141, bob3141 wrote:
In post 1125, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1123, Civil Scum wrote: If you were one of the top elimination targets in D-1 as a scum, would you ever consider claiming JK and claim a strong read on a townie based on a lack of vigilantes, such that you would be in essence fishing for two counter claims at once?
Only if I were one.
jk is not an easy role to fakeclaim, bear that in mind
In post 1126, Civil Scum wrote: Why is it hard to fake claim?
In post 1127, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1126, Civil Scum wrote: Why is it hard to fake claim?
You’re being a roleblocker AND a doc
Yep easier for scum just to claim something like doc/bg, so if naerys was scum it would far more likely that it would be a true claim. And if the player was fishing for roles before their flip then there are better claims too. So either naerys is scum 2 shot jk or rookie town 2 shot jk
So let me get this straight, JK can also be a scum role, therefore Naerys might have “truly” claimed complex JK. This means she might have done so without realizing that it ran counter to her assumption about vigilantes.

That’s interesting and might mean that I need to adjust my scum pool for PC-Naerys-X since the third scum no longer need be a mastermind. I think I got on that idea based on how newbie the earlyness of the claim seemed coupled with someone saying they thought the complex modifier running counter to her vigilante assumption was further evidence of her newbie-ness.
being a jailkeeper fakeclaim is 100% harder than being a cop/doc/bg fakeclaim
now
jk does both doc and rb
so basically you are fucked when a investigative pr claims and tells you to rb them to test if you are real, you get turboed if
1. they die
2. they don't get a NO RESULT (action failed)
while cop is easier because you can pull NOT MAFIA/MAFIA inspects out of your ass
doc=I don't care I'm literally going to put I docced this n1 docced that n2 and because doc doesn't know if action failed it's p easy to fakeclaim
tbh I have never seen a mafia jk in my mafia career, not even in closed setups
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Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:41 am

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In post 1147, iamveryhappy wrote: tbh I have never seen a mafia jk in my mafia career, not even in closed setups
And you´ll not see it this time either.
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Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:12 am

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Okay I’m beginning to understand, thought I think that’s could serve as more evidence of my industrial strength theory.

IAVH, in your example, couldn’t the mafia roleblock the JK, allowing the investigative PRs action to go through, thereby making the JK look guilty?

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