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[Hu Tao]

Why is merlyn your biggest scum read?

[Merlyn]

like Merlyn and I have 2 of the same top town reads, and then there's meow, who could be town, and if so, scum will play up to them for sure.

Devil is like the person meow was pushing the most even.

i actually would bet the game on Merlyn being scum here over anyone else.

quoting this for posterity

[Flavor Leaf]

merlyn and aureal are both playing behind Meowmeow. it's either a ringleader support on meowmeow, or trying to stay on townMeow's good side.

[Hu Tao]

So regardless of if meow is town or scum?

[Hu Tao]

Based on what I've seen FL so far this is what I'm used to seeing from him, so he could be town. But I've never seen him scum

[Merlyn]

My readlist:

Meow, CSF, devil
Marci, RCE
Hu Tao, Aureal
Snivy, FL

Can you explain your read on me? Or is it from who I replaced

I was a little higher on Roden, you just haven't done anything much since replacing in

[Merlyn]

lol I just realized I forgot about Cakez

[camelCasedSnivy]

im too lazy to check if the "damage control" meta on merlyn is true or not so ill asssume youre not bullshitting

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is merlyn your biggest scum read?

my main thing right now is im confident with my town reads.

Roden and I had a back and forth that I just feel never is coming from ScumRoden with you.

CSF has absolutely no agenda, and personally, I don't think it makes sense for scum to push torture on me the way they have.

Devil and I have been kinda soul reading each other here, and I feel they were being targeted because of it, and the need to weaken a town block forming between the two of us.

This leaves 7 other slots, and we know 4 are scum.

Cakez and Enchant while I wouldnt bet the game on them being town, has had a mixture of seeming like having no agenda, kinda existing, but then when they do a few things, it comes across townie.

Like i really dont think Enchant pushes or leans scum on me here as scum after last time. it feels more like townie Enchant.

Cakez back and forth on me gamestate from Day 1 looked like scum were trying to take advantage of Cakez vs FL.


Onto Merlyn, I believe Merlyn's been actively hiding behind, and I believe the way they joined the torture wagon looks like scum who has to join in for the sake of being townie. I've played with scumMerlyn twice recently, and they are a Support Scum type, and often looking to just be happy, and they way they pushed certain things off as TvT looks like they are supporting RingLeader Meowmeow, or trying to get in TownMeowMeow's good grace.

Their reads are also politically setup, and they keep trying to act like i'm going to wiggle my way out of something, almost to too much of an extent, when like, there's really nothing to wiggle out of here. If I don't push a scum today that ends up me being obv town, then we should always just torture me.

I believe scum don't want me tortured, and that those who have been against it, such as Aureal/Marci have scum in it. Not all scum would oppose, there has to be some that would hop on. CSF and Cakes were on torture a long time ago, and Devil slot, while actively town reading me, says that they feel I should still be tortured. That makes sense. Seeing it is likely to go through, scum generally have to hop on somewhere.

With Aureal, theyre town reading me and thus trying to get me not to be tortured, even when there's multiple people now trying to say I'm scum (meow, merlyn).

I feel the fact I'm pushing for my Torture so much does not make sense at all from a scum perspective.

[Flavor Leaf]

So regardless of if meow is town or scum?

yeah, i dont like to pre associate too much. im scum reading all the slots individually as well. RCEnigma has been better for me today.

Alternatively, I do see the potential for me being in a Devil pocket.

That being said, I did mention that if Devil flips town, and then we torture me and I become conf town, Meow should always be the fade, and Meow has now moved onto SirCakez, which I find odd.

I'm trying not to tunnel onto Meow, though, but I do feel like they are scum right now too, but yes, Merlyn regardless of Meow's alignment, is most likely scum here. I'm pretty confident in it.

[Merlyn]

VOTE: Snivy I think FL is pulling your strings from behind the scenes.

Something that's interesting here is that I keep expecting FL to at least mention that I played pretty differently in both dividing connor and in pokemon. In both those games I was a lazy and unprolific player. Even if it was something he mentioned like 'I still sr Merlyn here even though it was different because bloppity blop', he should at least bring it up.

I can link to the games, but there's also people here besides FL who've played in them.

[Merlyn]

they keep trying to act like i'm going to wiggle my way out of something, almost to too much of an extent, when like, there's really nothing to wiggle out of here. If I don't push a scum today that ends up me being obv town, then we should always just torture me.

To people who aren't FL:

Remember how on day 1 he offered to be sacrifice? And then he told Roden that he never meant for it to be day 1?
Remember how today he said, yeah, torture me! And now there's a string involved- you should torture me tomorrow if I don't push a scum today.

Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle

[Flavor Leaf]

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Look at this post here. Merlyn was defending me, and town reading me, and saying they disagree on Black wagon, my main push that I faked a guilty on. Merlyn and I were scum together.

It was a political positioning, and yet disagreeing on a read, very similar to what's happening with Meowmeow and Meow's read on Devil.

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Now if Meow is town, Dividing Connor Merlyn was scum and effectively spent the entire game town reading me, and pocketing me, showing that they do sit back behind a townie with the ability to get momentum, and this feels similar to what they're doing to Meow if Meow is town here.

[camelCasedSnivy]

VOTE: Snivy I think FL is pulling your strings from behind the scenes.

mm i can see where you get that read from

[Flavor Leaf]

they keep trying to act like i'm going to wiggle my way out of something, almost to too much of an extent, when like, there's really nothing to wiggle out of here. If I don't push a scum today that ends up me being obv town, then we should always just torture me.

To people who aren't FL:

Remember how on day 1 he offered to be sacrifice? And then he told Roden that he never meant for it to be day 1?
Remember how today he said, yeah, torture me! And now there's a string involved- you should torture me tomorrow if I don't push a scum today.

Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle

If I push through a scum today, I should never be tortured, because Scum me never loses a scum partner this day phase.

I never meant for a sacrifice on me to be Day 1. This is a fact, and the basis of what Roden and I were arguing about. This is you misrepping me.

The deal was to fade Marcistar, and if I was wrong, to sacrifice me on Day 2.

I dont see any wiggling there.

[camelCasedSnivy]

im only trusting FL because majority seems to want to torture FL, and in a town!FL world scum could be getting enough money to kill a 75% IC

[Merlyn]

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Look at this post here. Merlyn was defending me, and town reading me, and saying they disagree on Black wagon, my main push that I faked a guilty on. Merlyn and I were scum together.

It was a political positioning, and yet disagreeing on a read, very similar to what's happening with Meowmeow and Meow's read on Devil.

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Now if Meow is town, Dividing Connor Merlyn was scum and effectively spent the entire game town reading me, and pocketing me, showing that they do sit back behind a townie with the ability to get momentum, and this feels similar to what they're doing to Meow if Meow is town here.

I'm not disagreeing with Meow's read on Devil

[Flavor Leaf]

I should say bus.

But yeah, you're grasping at straws with this wiggle thing, Merlyn.

Feels like it's all you got.

[Merlyn]

im only trusting FL because majority seems to want to torture FL, and in a town!FL world scum could be getting enough money to kill a 75% IC

Only scum know how they get their money

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?p=13835235#p13835235

Look at this post here. Merlyn was defending me, and town reading me, and saying they disagree on Black wagon, my main push that I faked a guilty on. Merlyn and I were scum together.

It was a political positioning, and yet disagreeing on a read, very similar to what's happening with Meowmeow and Meow's read on Devil.

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Now if Meow is town, Dividing Connor Merlyn was scum and effectively spent the entire game town reading me, and pocketing me, showing that they do sit back behind a townie with the ability to get momentum, and this feels similar to what they're doing to Meow if Meow is town here.

I'm not disagreeing with Meow's read on Devil

oh, so you lied in your list?

Meow was pushing Devil as scum the majority of this day phase.

[camelCasedSnivy]

and im like 100% sure the money we spend funds the Insurgents instead of the money we don't spend, because the latter seems very unfair for scum

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Merlyn, if they're town, Torture me.

If they're scum, torture Meowmeow.

[Merlyn]

I should say bus.

But yeah, you're grasping at straws with this wiggle thing, Merlyn.

Feels like it's all you got.

lol okay. Well, I'm fine with going first today if town does decide to follow your lead here. But I want you to go next then.

[camelCasedSnivy]

im only trusting FL because majority seems to want to torture FL, and in a town!FL world scum could be getting enough money to kill a 75% IC

Only scum know how they get their money

well we know scum cant nightkill usually, so unless they have a night restricted nightkill 9v4 nightless with all these powers is far from fair

[Flavor Leaf]

there's like zero wiggle room there.