Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[camelCasedSnivy]

yeah

[Cook]

crazy stuff went down so i hear

wiki's still around we can verify roles still

[AniX]

but if we want to give dragoneater an actual shot at using their ability in order to chain ability confirmations we could no lim to be safe

What do we gain from letting DragonEater70 investigate by nolimming? Assuming it goes through, a single town player, statistically speaking. If DragonEater70 hit scum, it'd be better, sure; by the odds, still unlikely.

What do we lose from nolimming to guarantee it? Assuming scum shoot, a single town player.

A nolim breaks even

if

nothing goes wrong.

Personally, I'd prefer eliminating scum today. If we get it right, DE70 still gets an invest anyway. If we get it wrong, then at least we didn't put the game on hold for a single investigation where we likely break even.

I suppose the question then is simply this; do you believe the

chance

of getting a guilty warrants a

guaranteed

loss of eliminating scum today?

I don't. I'd prefer a chance to eliminate scum, which if right, gives a chance of a guilty still.

It is also a

guaranteed

gain of not eliminating another town player.

[Cook]

so no lim?

[AniX]

I am still in for no lim, yes. I'll switch my vote if needed to get it done.

[Cook]

if you vote for no lim for 24 hours can you track the no lim since it's technically still alive

[Deltabreedy]

I am currently on a work trip, but will catch up when I return.

I can see the forum every so often but I shan't be too useful until Thursday 12am or so (UTC+1).

If anyone has anything they have said, or that they thing especially needs looking at, feel free to highlight it, else I'm going to be mostly skimming the last bajillion posts that I've replaced into haha

[Deltabreedy]

But yeah hi folks, looking forward to seeing how this pans out over the next three to four years.

[DkKoba]

aureal->delta->cook

At least 2 mafia die here

[Deltabreedy]

Is that a statement or something you want me to look into?

[Cook]

think it's a poe

[Bingle]

Okay I guess Bingle did suspect you but you were acting as if were EVERYONE doing this and not just Bingle.

Both DK and I suspect Aureal.

Aureal still has not talked at all about why she needed to claim last, to the best of my knowledge, and her claim was more akin to scavenger hunt than a claim. I frankly don't see a town benefit to making your ability incredibly difficult to parse AND strongarming your way into being able to claim at the very end of the process when your role doesn't have any aspects that would change other people's claims.

[Bingle]

aureal->delta->cook

At least 2 mafia die here

I read that as Alisae Delta Cook for a minute and was super confused.

[Aureal]

And Bingle continues to be an unabashed liar, trying to get people to forget the multiple ways my role can affect others that have already been identified. But hey, he's scum, that's what he's gotta do. Guess he's just pissy that he claimed a role that mine can disprove.

[DragonEater70]

I doubt they get any additional information on what they're getting beyond what I say. Why do you bring that up? Do you think I'm lying about what accepting the Amway offer means? What sort of negative effects do you think could happen if I were?

I got no clue but you can never be too careful. I was just asking.
I really don't understand your defensiveness though. Wouldn't you ask the same question in my position?

Well maybe you should go re-read the crap Bingle has been pulling out because you just seem like you're trying to reinforce his "this is SOOOOO BAD no I can't explain HOW" narrative designed to instill doubt in town so they won't care about losing out on the potential from my role.

How was I doing that? Honestly I'm starting to want to vote you just for this annoying misrepresentation. I was not once saying your claim was scummy, I literally said it was TOWNIE.
What I did say was that IF you WERE scum, then your claim probably was partially true and your role would allow you to "confirm" yourself in a fake way. I didn't say I thought your claim was scummy. Another thing I said was that your claim was very vague, and asked that you clarify it. This is at all not the same thing as reinforcing Bingle's "this is sooooo bad".
But what I would say is that your PLAY is VERY anti-town. Can you quit complaining about people disliking your claim and not cooperating with you, and start working in the direction of solving the game? I don't care if we use your role for that or not, but by George can you PLEASE find me someone who is scum in your eyes? Thank you.

[DragonEater70]

Yeah, I already acknowledged that you guys can't be sure that my role is actually entirely the same as the abilities I give to others. I understand that and fully expect that I'm not going to be surviving deep into the game, it's just a matter of whether scum or town kill me off first. What is not acceptable is just waving it all away so I can get killed tonight and leave none of it behind for town when they see in the morning that it all came from town in the first place so they didn't need to be paranoid but OOOOOPS TOO LATE NOW. I will
be using my other neighborhood on someone today so it'd be really cool to get some feedback from others on this stuff but that's not happening because Bingle's been yelling about it being scum.

I told you already: I think you should neighborize Ranger.

[DragonEater70]

In looking at the claims again though, I've noticed that Nurse's claim is semi-confirmable by my abilities as well though, as a neighborhood is something both parties will know exists. So if I get 3 recruits to get the neighborhood ability, Nurse and I can target the same player, but the neighborhood should fail. If we get a neighborhood anyway, something has gone wrong with Nurse's power- either he got blocked or didn't have it. I don't know that this is very useful, but it's something.

VOTE: Aureal

This is not townie. I'm sorry but it's not.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: de70

?? Why

seconded

[DragonEater70]

I'd be ok with no lim, since it is the limited case where we can lock DragonEater into using his cop ability.

I disagree. We have no protectives, so I'll just get killed and we wouldn't have achieved anything.

[DragonEater70]

So? Putting the mafia into a position where they either need to sink a kill into a role that is on the precipice of useless or letting a cop investigation go is a position I want them to be in.

But we wouldn't have gained anything. Like assuming we decide on a no-lim, and then scum kills me, the net result of D1 + N1 would have been 1 less town player, with no information gained. It's not useful. If we had more investigatives then maybe it would have been useful.

(Sorry, I know there's a tracker but I don't think one town death is worth one tracker result when the scum is probably quite able to use crazy roles which we do NOT know about.

[DragonEater70]

Like unless we get lucky, we are going to lim a townfolk, lose the cop ability anyway, AND lose an actually useful role tonight. No lim saves us at least one townie, likely two, AND gives us a shot at a investigation.

This makes no sense because we'll be in the same position but with one less townie.

Like unless we get lucky, we are going to lim a townfolk, lose the cop ability anyway, AND lose an actually useful role tonight. No lim saves us at least one townie, likely two, AND gives us a shot at a investigation.

This seems reasonable. I'm on board with it.

This is a confession from Ircher that they are scum (as if we needed any more)

[DragonEater70]

CCS roleblocks three people in the same phase.

Maybe I misunderstood CCS claim, but doesn't the target decide if they want to be roleblocked? Which makes it a useless role?

[DkKoba]

O ya kkfc is mafia too

[Cook]

O ya kkfc is mafia too

?? how ??

[camelCasedSnivy]

CCS roleblocks three people in the same phase.

Maybe I misunderstood CCS claim, but doesn't the target decide if they want to be roleblocked? Which makes it a useless role?

you can force the people with baked goods to eat