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Post Post #4275 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:55 am

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Post Post #4276 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:07 am

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No theyll be reading that and still think that anyway that's how scary good skitterscum is
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #4277 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:33 am

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so far skitt's sr on fire feels a bit like she's wrestling with herself to justify it rather than knowing it's correct

i actually do townread isis but i'm impossibly biased and i think it would be funny if she was like "i told you i was scum with skitt" at the end of the game

why are people voting tris
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Post Post #4278 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:40 am

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Skitter chainsawed tris
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #4279 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:40 am

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Some others tell me it was a gentle chainsaw
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #4280 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:56 am

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i think there's a few gamestate read things that make me think it could be tris

1) tris was universal townread pretty quickly (except for by shea), and skitter didn't seem too concerned about pushing herself into the coalition early on (and was pretty content being left out). either she knew we weren't getting a coal anytime soon, or she was comfortable with her partner's position

2) at end of coalition phase skitter wasn't really making any sort of active push to do anything or decide on a coalition, while her and tris (and shea) were most townread and were core to almost every proposed coal. i guess she could have played like this with anyone, so maybe this isn't much of a point in favor of tris being scum. arguably though she could have been trying to stall on completion because she wasn't happy with having 2 scum in. im not sure if i believe this

3) when we went to elim someone, the thread mostly turned on tris. skitter's play in response i think was kinda weird, and felt like she was avoiding committing to pushing anywhere in particular. she was townreading tris and was vocal about that but didn't seem to want to take action to stop her from being limmed (with her main suspicion being sheep). i thought this mostly made sense as either a) wanting to let town push tris while she maintains her bus on sheep for the next day, or b) trying to make it look like she's white knighting town tris and getting flipped herself

individually i still think she's kinda towny. but the lack of original scumhunting is probably the most concerning. i think she doesn't have a lot of trouble townreading people who are town as scum, but may have more trouble coming up with good scumreads. and she's focused a lot more on the former

for reasons to townread her, she's vibing decently well, there's been places that have felt uninformed, and part of me kinda just believes her when she says things lol
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Post Post #4281 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:00 am

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The worst thing about this game is when fire posts towny content when I want to confbias
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #4282 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:00 am

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i think my issue with some of my points is that i don't think skitter really would want to play to get scumread? it just doesn't seem like her style. and it's awkward if tris ever does get limmed (which is possible with strong/loud players in the coalition) because it looks bad for skitter

so it does seem reasonable that what she said about how she would have bussed tris is true. that is probably the best path in general for a scum skitter. it's also possible that she was planning to but the thread turned on tris before she had a chance to (she was v/la at the time) and she didn't want to just pile on afterwards since that's not much cred, so she had to try to be flexible and pivot to a different approach?

or it just isn't tris
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Post Post #4283 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:07 am

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It is tris and the last sentence is like bingoz
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #4284 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:07 am

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I mean it's not tris it's me
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #4285 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:08 am

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Post Post #4286 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:09 am

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A psychic Mawile and a steel Mawile completes whimsy clang
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #4287 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:10 am

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@fire was there anyone else who could be scum who was widely townread early?

your points don't seem to be very Occam's razor-y
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Post Post #4288 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:13 am

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Post Post #4289 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:16 am

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Aristeia was widely townread early, could be scum maybe
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #4290 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:20 am

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In post 4287, Infinity 324 wrote: @fire was there anyone else who could be scum who was widely townread early?

your points don't seem to be very Occam's razor-y
hellbooks was kinda townread i guess and then relatively happily allowed herself to be shuffled onto the fun trolley. i guess maybe there's a world where skitter at some point was like "okay your majesty hellbooks, my being content to be left out is getting me townread so let's swap places". it's probably more possible than id like to believe

but yeah my tris points are the alternative to occam's razor which is your slot lol
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Post Post #4291 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:23 am

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In post 4290, fireisredsir wrote: i guess maybe there's a world where skitter at some point was like "okay your majesty hellbooks, my being content to be left out is getting me townread so let's swap places"
they call this theory the "occam's laser"
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Post Post #4292 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:27 am

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Post Post #4293 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:28 am

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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #4294 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:32 am

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In post 4254, fireisredsir wrote: - how skitter + others played d1 elimination phase (start of it is ~107 to ~116, end of it is ~130 to ~140)
thank you for also including one of the greatest flavor solves of all time on p.134
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Post Post #4295 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:34 am

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In post 3345, fireisredsir wrote: town:

[ari hellbooks isis shea me]

scum:

[sheep tris skitter brassherald]


hm this doesn't seem right

this shakes out to be one scum in the top group and one in the bottom group at least 8 times out of 10 imo
currently stubbornly moving forward with flipping skitter into sheep into tris into brassherald and hoping we're in the 2/10 surely this can't go wrong
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Post Post #4296 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:40 am

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Oh fire is mafia in the top group! This is like sudoku
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #4297 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:46 am

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i actually, think we're gonna win this game
here's what it says
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Post Post #4298 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:48 am

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im feeling more and more confident that is bulgebrassinfinity, and even if i die here, that slot will be gotten tomorrow
here's what it says
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Post Post #4299 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:49 am

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but theres several ifs there, so maybe the percentages multiply badly
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