Mini 2308 | Deal with the Devil Hydra PT

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I kinda like being a town hydra.

Just getting used to the ol hydra account here.

-Drew

Pre Edit: Well I am drinking for the both of us

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Also, you screwed up my timezone Alcoholic lol

-Drew

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I can change it if it bothers you.

- Alianna

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What are you thinking about for a project?

-Drew

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I’m thinking Trading Outpost and…something else, idk yet.
If we’re doing that, though, we can’t also do Printing Press today as only one development project can be undertaken per day.

- Alianna

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I’m thinking Trading Outpost and…something else, idk yet.
If we’re doing that, though, we can’t also do Printing Press today as only one development project can be undertaken per day.

- Alianna

Or maybe I will just sheep whatever Aureal says instead.

- Alianna

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I’m thinking Trading Outpost and…something else, idk yet.
If we’re doing that, though, we can’t also do Printing Press today as only one development project can be undertaken per day.

- Alianna

Ahh, good point

I do like a good D1 sheep, and Aureal is as good as anyone lol.

-Drew

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Ya, I am prepared to push Snivy

-Drew

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I'm perplexed at how anyone could have reads at this point in the game, but go for it.
Eh, I guess pushing for sacrifice like that could be kind of sus.
Go for it.

- Alianna

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I'm perplexed at how anyone could have reads at this point in the game, but go for it.
Eh, I guess pushing for sacrifice like that could be kind of sus.
Go for it.

- Alianna

So I was going to order this post differently and accidentally left the other "go for it" there and now it sounds weird.

- Alianna

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You were just waiting for that page top weren't you?

-Drew

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Gonna take a stab at a Ranger read list:

Merlyn
Aureal
JasonWazza
SirCakez
RCEnigma
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
HighFlyingDwarf
Roden
Cat Scratch Fever
marcista
Cat Scratch Fever
camelCasedSnivy

Dwarf being the null line since I don't they have posted.

-Drew

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Me sharing a braincell with Aureal makes me want to TR her. Idk if that's a good metric to TR someone, but it is what it is.

- Alianna

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Gonna take a stab at a Ranger read list:

Merlyn
Aureal
JasonWazza
SirCakez
RCEnigma
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
HighFlyingDwarf
Roden
Cat Scratch Fever
marcista
Cat Scratch Fever
camelCasedSnivy

Dwarf being the null line since I don't they have posted.

-Drew

*don't think they have posted

Pre Edit: Oh it is a good reason imo

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Interesting that you have both Cat Scratch Fevers as scummy, why is that?

- Alianna

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Interesting that you have both Cat Scratch Fevers as scummy, why is that?

- Alianna

You never heard of the double scum role?

Or you can just pretend that they are between roden and marci.

-Drew

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Interesting that you have both Cat Scratch Fevers as scummy, why is that?

- Alianna

You never heard of the double scum role?

Or you can just pretend that they are between roden and marci.

-Drew

Those murderous cats must be up to no good.

- Alianna

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I'd make a Ranger readslist of my own but I have other things I should really go do and I barely remember anything that's happened this game.

- Alianna

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Meow
Roden
CSF
Roden
Merlyn
Aureal
Marci
RCEnigma
HighFlyingDwarf
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
camelCasedSnivy

Updated reads, really only feeling Snivy for actual scum now.

Penguin and Nurse are only below the null line, so slightly, because they haven't done much.

Marci I think the issues I have had with them are playstyle, think they are coming off more towny now.

Roden made a great post just now in regards to Merlyn, still feel Merlyn is town but slightly less confident....but much more confident that Roden is town.

And not sure why I had CSF so low beforem feel they are towny.

Loved Meow's entrance and questioning as well.

-Drew

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Mod

Can I copy a paste posts from here into the main game?

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So to be clear, the reason to get printing press, is we can actually determine what to do in a long term way via this, yes we lose 10k tomorrow, i think that is worth it overall.

Thing is we don't know the costs of later items, we don't know the cost of trading outpost 2.0, so investing in these might be a bust, and actually just assist Scum, as i think a few rules haven't really been noted by a few people.

If no project is being undertaken at Night, the Insurgence is free to do its biddings and gain $60,000. If only one project is being undertaken, there will still be little enough traffic that the Insurgence can manage to gain $20,000.
Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them.

These 2 rules actually give us a lot of information on what the Insurgents can likely do.

First note, Insurgence gaining money is a key thing to note, odds are they get a %age of everything we spend, spending more might not be worth funding them, but also there is a risk of unspent money being just as bad.
Second note, the fact they can bid at night is interesting, as this is clearly giving them enough for an assassination, therefore they might not have a standard kill, given they have the ability to fund their own.

So the reason to get Printing press follows on that we want to know if there is anything worth potentially giving the scum more money and kills for, rather then to just potentially spend recklessly, because for all we know, none of the deep investigative options are worth it (especially since the one we have access to is 50k for a terrible ability.)

Scum probably also needs to spend $ to unlock more actions like we do then right?

No i think they have the same action list, but might not have access to sacrifice.

But this list actually give a scum team a decent chunk of power with things like this.

Appointed Jury ($20,000)-- 3 targets Utopians get a PT during the next Day to decide for an extra shared vote to cast for execution.
Injunction ($30,000) -- the vote for execution of target Utopian will be worth only one-half tomorrow. This project can only be bought if there are at least 5 players.

For relatively cheap, the scum team can get the ability to hammer privately, or disable a strong players voting power, while also just being able to kill, otherwise why does this exist for town

Election Security ($10,000) -- tomorrow, there will be no voting tricks (all vote weights will be one, secret extra votes won't count, etc.)

P-Edit: I think a hint is helpful to tell us if we care, if we aren't getting something like a cop, do you really want to fund a kill?

first of all, i don't

think

this has been brought up, sorry if i missed it, but it seems likely that many of the projects, if not all, have some kind of drawback which aid the insurgents. this is because, firstly, the mod explicitly " Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them." and secondly, if we don't choose projects the insurgency gets given money as compensation, which implies that otherwise not choosing projects would be a viable strategy that the mods want to discourage. unfortunately, i'm not really sure what these would be, but it seems likely that it's mostly just based on the amount of money we spend on the project which is somehow siphoned off by the insurgents, given the use of the word 'financing.' but perhaps there's something else for the 'sacrifice' project?

Really tinfoily theory: something is up with the consistency and with meow not realizing or not mentioning it's been brought up.

[Deal With The Devil]

So to be clear, the reason to get printing press, is we can actually determine what to do in a long term way via this, yes we lose 10k tomorrow, i think that is worth it overall.

Thing is we don't know the costs of later items, we don't know the cost of trading outpost 2.0, so investing in these might be a bust, and actually just assist Scum, as i think a few rules haven't really been noted by a few people.

If no project is being undertaken at Night, the Insurgence is free to do its biddings and gain $60,000. If only one project is being undertaken, there will still be little enough traffic that the Insurgence can manage to gain $20,000.
Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them.

These 2 rules actually give us a lot of information on what the Insurgents can likely do.

First note, Insurgence gaining money is a key thing to note, odds are they get a %age of everything we spend, spending more might not be worth funding them, but also there is a risk of unspent money being just as bad.
Second note, the fact they can bid at night is interesting, as this is clearly giving them enough for an assassination, therefore they might not have a standard kill, given they have the ability to fund their own.

So the reason to get Printing press follows on that we want to know if there is anything worth potentially giving the scum more money and kills for, rather then to just potentially spend recklessly, because for all we know, none of the deep investigative options are worth it (especially since the one we have access to is 50k for a terrible ability.)

Scum probably also needs to spend $ to unlock more actions like we do then right?

No i think they have the same action list, but might not have access to sacrifice.

But this list actually give a scum team a decent chunk of power with things like this.

Appointed Jury ($20,000)-- 3 targets Utopians get a PT during the next Day to decide for an extra shared vote to cast for execution.
Injunction ($30,000) -- the vote for execution of target Utopian will be worth only one-half tomorrow. This project can only be bought if there are at least 5 players.

For relatively cheap, the scum team can get the ability to hammer privately, or disable a strong players voting power, while also just being able to kill, otherwise why does this exist for town

Election Security ($10,000) -- tomorrow, there will be no voting tricks (all vote weights will be one, secret extra votes won't count, etc.)

P-Edit: I think a hint is helpful to tell us if we care, if we aren't getting something like a cop, do you really want to fund a kill?

first of all, i don't

think

this has been brought up, sorry if i missed it, but it seems likely that many of the projects, if not all, have some kind of drawback which aid the insurgents. this is because, firstly, the mod explicitly " Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them." and secondly, if we don't choose projects the insurgency gets given money as compensation, which implies that otherwise not choosing projects would be a viable strategy that the mods want to discourage. unfortunately, i'm not really sure what these would be, but it seems likely that it's mostly just based on the amount of money we spend on the project which is somehow siphoned off by the insurgents, given the use of the word 'financing.' but perhaps there's something else for the 'sacrifice' project?

Really tinfoily theory: something is up with the consistency and with meow not realizing or not mentioning it's been brought up.

Well, when I replace in to a game a rarely read the posts of who I repped into.

Especially this early in the game.

[Deal With The Devil]

So to be clear, the reason to get printing press, is we can actually determine what to do in a long term way via this, yes we lose 10k tomorrow, i think that is worth it overall.

Thing is we don't know the costs of later items, we don't know the cost of trading outpost 2.0, so investing in these might be a bust, and actually just assist Scum, as i think a few rules haven't really been noted by a few people.

If no project is being undertaken at Night, the Insurgence is free to do its biddings and gain $60,000. If only one project is being undertaken, there will still be little enough traffic that the Insurgence can manage to gain $20,000.
Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them.

These 2 rules actually give us a lot of information on what the Insurgents can likely do.

First note, Insurgence gaining money is a key thing to note, odds are they get a %age of everything we spend, spending more might not be worth funding them, but also there is a risk of unspent money being just as bad.
Second note, the fact they can bid at night is interesting, as this is clearly giving them enough for an assassination, therefore they might not have a standard kill, given they have the ability to fund their own.

So the reason to get Printing press follows on that we want to know if there is anything worth potentially giving the scum more money and kills for, rather then to just potentially spend recklessly, because for all we know, none of the deep investigative options are worth it (especially since the one we have access to is 50k for a terrible ability.)

Scum probably also needs to spend $ to unlock more actions like we do then right?

No i think they have the same action list, but might not have access to sacrifice.

But this list actually give a scum team a decent chunk of power with things like this.

Appointed Jury ($20,000)-- 3 targets Utopians get a PT during the next Day to decide for an extra shared vote to cast for execution.
Injunction ($30,000) -- the vote for execution of target Utopian will be worth only one-half tomorrow. This project can only be bought if there are at least 5 players.

For relatively cheap, the scum team can get the ability to hammer privately, or disable a strong players voting power, while also just being able to kill, otherwise why does this exist for town

Election Security ($10,000) -- tomorrow, there will be no voting tricks (all vote weights will be one, secret extra votes won't count, etc.)

P-Edit: I think a hint is helpful to tell us if we care, if we aren't getting something like a cop, do you really want to fund a kill?

first of all, i don't

think

this has been brought up, sorry if i missed it, but it seems likely that many of the projects, if not all, have some kind of drawback which aid the insurgents. this is because, firstly, the mod explicitly " Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them." and secondly, if we don't choose projects the insurgency gets given money as compensation, which implies that otherwise not choosing projects would be a viable strategy that the mods want to discourage. unfortunately, i'm not really sure what these would be, but it seems likely that it's mostly just based on the amount of money we spend on the project which is somehow siphoned off by the insurgents, given the use of the word 'financing.' but perhaps there's something else for the 'sacrifice' project?

Really tinfoily theory: something is up with the consistency and with meow not realizing or not mentioning it's been brought up.

Well, when I replace in to a game a rarely read the posts of who I repped into.

Especially this early in the game.

I read them, but it's not that. I just did a double take at the fact that they jumped to talking about the exact same mech stuff independently of each other.
I don't know that it actually means anything. I'm just using this PT to post the thoughts that are too tinfoily to post in the gamethread lol.

- Alianna

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So to be clear, the reason to get printing press, is we can actually determine what to do in a long term way via this, yes we lose 10k tomorrow, i think that is worth it overall.

Thing is we don't know the costs of later items, we don't know the cost of trading outpost 2.0, so investing in these might be a bust, and actually just assist Scum, as i think a few rules haven't really been noted by a few people.

If no project is being undertaken at Night, the Insurgence is free to do its biddings and gain $60,000. If only one project is being undertaken, there will still be little enough traffic that the Insurgence can manage to gain $20,000.
Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them.

These 2 rules actually give us a lot of information on what the Insurgents can likely do.

First note, Insurgence gaining money is a key thing to note, odds are they get a %age of everything we spend, spending more might not be worth funding them, but also there is a risk of unspent money being just as bad.
Second note, the fact they can bid at night is interesting, as this is clearly giving them enough for an assassination, therefore they might not have a standard kill, given they have the ability to fund their own.

So the reason to get Printing press follows on that we want to know if there is anything worth potentially giving the scum more money and kills for, rather then to just potentially spend recklessly, because for all we know, none of the deep investigative options are worth it (especially since the one we have access to is 50k for a terrible ability.)

Scum probably also needs to spend $ to unlock more actions like we do then right?

No i think they have the same action list, but might not have access to sacrifice.

But this list actually give a scum team a decent chunk of power with things like this.

Appointed Jury ($20,000)-- 3 targets Utopians get a PT during the next Day to decide for an extra shared vote to cast for execution.
Injunction ($30,000) -- the vote for execution of target Utopian will be worth only one-half tomorrow. This project can only be bought if there are at least 5 players.

For relatively cheap, the scum team can get the ability to hammer privately, or disable a strong players voting power, while also just being able to kill, otherwise why does this exist for town

Election Security ($10,000) -- tomorrow, there will be no voting tricks (all vote weights will be one, secret extra votes won't count, etc.)

P-Edit: I think a hint is helpful to tell us if we care, if we aren't getting something like a cop, do you really want to fund a kill?

first of all, i don't

think

this has been brought up, sorry if i missed it, but it seems likely that many of the projects, if not all, have some kind of drawback which aid the insurgents. this is because, firstly, the mod explicitly " Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them." and secondly, if we don't choose projects the insurgency gets given money as compensation, which implies that otherwise not choosing projects would be a viable strategy that the mods want to discourage. unfortunately, i'm not really sure what these would be, but it seems likely that it's mostly just based on the amount of money we spend on the project which is somehow siphoned off by the insurgents, given the use of the word 'financing.' but perhaps there's something else for the 'sacrifice' project?

Really tinfoily theory: something is up with the consistency and with meow not realizing or not mentioning it's been brought up.

Well, when I replace in to a game a rarely read the posts of who I repped into.

Especially this early in the game.

I read them, but it's not that. I just did a double take at the fact that they jumped to talking about the exact same mech stuff independently of each other.
I don't know that it actually means anything. I'm just using this PT to post the thoughts that are too tinfoily to post in the gamethread lol.

- Alianna

Hmmm.

Didn't even see that aspect, might not be that tinfoily tbh. Would make more sense if Meow came in like 'As Jason said.....'

But hey presented it as their own independent thought, might actually be good to bring up in the game thread.

-Drew

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I'm currently making a primitive readslist, might post that take in thread after.

- Alianna

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I'm currently making a primitive readslist, might post that take in thread after.

- Alianna

Well, I was going to, and then I got sucked down a rabbit hole of mech.

- Alianna

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I'm currently making a primitive readslist, might post that take in thread after.

- Alianna

Well, I was going to, and then I got sucked down a rabbit hole of mech.

- Alianna

Better you than me lol

-Drew

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Meow
Roden
CSF
Roden
Merlyn
Aureal
Marci
RCEnigma
HighFlyingDwarf
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
camelCasedSnivy

Updated reads, really only feeling Snivy for actual scum now.

Penguin and Nurse are only below the null line, so slightly, because they haven't done much.

Marci I think the issues I have had with them are playstyle, think they are coming off more towny now.

Roden made a great post just now in regards to Merlyn, still feel Merlyn is town but slightly less confident....but much more confident that Roden is town.

And not sure why I had CSF so low beforem feel they are towny.

Loved Meow's entrance and questioning as well.

-Drew

Now there's two Rodens and no Cakez.

- Alianna

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Meow
Roden
CSF
Roden
Merlyn
Aureal
Marci
RCEnigma
HighFlyingDwarf
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
camelCasedSnivy

Updated reads, really only feeling Snivy for actual scum now.

Penguin and Nurse are only below the null line, so slightly, because they haven't done much.

Marci I think the issues I have had with them are playstyle, think they are coming off more towny now.

Roden made a great post just now in regards to Merlyn, still feel Merlyn is town but slightly less confident....but much more confident that Roden is town.

And not sure why I had CSF so low beforem feel they are towny.

Loved Meow's entrance and questioning as well.

-Drew

Now there's two Rodens and no Cakez.

- Alianna

Ironically that is how I feel about Cakez lol, he could be town or scum.......not worth having him on a list and shitting it up haha.

-Drew

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Reads:

{Deal With The Devil}

{meowmeow, Aureal}

{Merlyn}

{RCEnigma, Roden, Cat Scratch Fever}

{Random Nurse, HighFlyingDwarf, SirCakez, marcistar}

{PenguinPower}

{camelCasedSnivy}

{

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}

These are actually not too different from yours.
Aureal just has a vibe.
I can't read CSF so I'll probably leave that call to you.
marci is dead null because it's almost 1 AM and I really don't want to look at one last ISO.

- Alianna

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And I will take another pagetop.

- Alianna

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I am feeling better about Marci, but like you still hate Snivy.

Penguin seems a bit sketch as well.

378 is ironic, considering Penguin isn't actually doing much himself.

I took it as a joke tbh

-Drew

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Not voting (4): Random Nurse, HighFlyingDwarf, marcistar,

y'all need to do something

is this sarcastic?

absolutely not.

they haven't voted at all so far.

- Alianna

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I'm pretty sure my stance on votes and d1 play is both consistent and apparent so I won't be answering.

How do you even respond to a post like this? I guess maybe you don't?

Idk, I thought 378 was weird.

- Alianna

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Idk, I thought 378 was weird.

Reminder that using [post

]378[/post] from here won't work correctly, but you can use post tags to link to the post directly by id, like this: 378

Code: Select all

[post=#13859079]378[/post]

I did that out of habit, thanks!

- Alianna

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I'm pretty sure my stance on votes and d1 play is both consistent and apparent so I won't be answering.

How do you even respond to a post like this? I guess maybe you don't?
Idk, I thought 378 was weird.

- Alianna

Ya his response to your questioning of him was odd there.

I just can't see scum acting this way though, seems too risky.

But, I only Penguin as a mod, not a player lol.

Yeah, it does lean town. You could post that in thread if you wanted.
I've played with him once, but I was only alive in that game for a day real time so I don't remember much.

- Alianna

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I want to push him a bit more, clearly I crossed a line though?

I thought my joking was obvious.....but maybe there is more to the story why he is stepping down from being a mod and it is a sore subject.

But, never want to make someone feel shitty.

Buuut, I do want to keep pressure on him.

-Drew

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I want to push him a bit more, clearly I crossed a line though?

I thought my joking was obvious.....but maybe there is more to the story why he is stepping down from being a mod and it is a sore subject.

But, never want to make someone feel shitty.

Buuut, I do want to keep pressure on him.

-Drew

I couldn't tell if you were joking or not. Tone just doesn't translate well over text sometimes.
I have mixed feelings about keeping pressure there. On the one hand, that post does raise some questions. On the other hand, I don't know how much you'll actually get out of the push, given that Penguin hasn't exactly proven himself willing to answer questions, and the abrasiveness feels mildly +town. On the other other hand, I don't know him well as a player either and maybe that isn't +town for him.

- Alianna

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I want to push him a bit more, clearly I crossed a line though?

I thought my joking was obvious.....but maybe there is more to the story why he is stepping down from being a mod and it is a sore subject.

But, never want to make someone feel shitty.

Buuut, I do want to keep pressure on him.

-Drew

I couldn't tell if you were joking or not. Tone just doesn't translate well over text sometimes.
I have mixed feelings about keeping pressure there. On the one hand, that post does raise some questions. On the other hand, I don't know how much you'll actually get out of the push, given that Penguin hasn't exactly proven himself willing to answer questions, and the abrasiveness feels mildly +town. On the other other hand, I don't know him well as a player either and maybe that isn't +town for him.

- Alianna

I will never be an asshole unless pushed that way, he made jokes about himself so I played off that........sometimes I don't read things correctly though, and I thought making the jokes about him stepping down as mod was pretty clearly for the lulz.

I do feel that pushing someone is always correct though, I am definitely the 'bad cop' in that regard, I will try to force you to show your hand.

I do agree though, does feel ever so slightly town.

-Drew

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Ugh, you thought I was scum in weird dreams??

-Drew

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Merlyn is acting real suss now, I don't understand her motivation here

-Drew

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Ugh, you thought I was scum in weird dreams??

-Drew

I did at first, then you posted that theory about KKFC and I cooperating to get post 1000 and I realized you weren't.

- Alianna

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I take full responsibility.

Alianna, I wouldn't waste energy trying to sort FL on a D1, especially when repping in lol.

I've moved on from that, instead I'm wasting energy debating mech. At least debating mech is fun and not paranoia-inducing.

- Alianna

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Also, just realized that I definitely was the asshole....now I feel terrible.

Re: Penguin

:(
At least you didn't mean it that way.

- Alianna

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Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

Strongest town read???

- Alianna

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Cakez' page 26 vibes town but I have not yet figured out an explanation for that.

- Alianna

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Every time I ask about a vote and someone responds, "because they're scum," it makes me want to call them informed and accuse them of bussing. Not because I actually think it, it's just...that's what the post suggests if I take it literally.

- Alianna

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Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

Strongest town read???

- Alianna

Ya I just read that, I definitely could see FL open wolfing like that.

Openwolfing as in blatant pocketing or they're partners or...?

- Alianna

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Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

Strongest town read???

- Alianna

Ya I just read that, I definitely could see FL open wolfing like that.

Openwolfing as in blatant pocketing or they're partners or...?

- Alianna

I was thinking partners, but it could be just pocketing as well.

Yeah, I could go either way on that.
Merlyn seems to have noticed something's up with them too.

- Alianna

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I just flat out said it, I feel like FL will give some sort of tell with the type of post I made

-Drew

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Reading now.

Cakez scumspect on me is forced.

They say no initiative with me when they know as scum i have zero issues giving initiative

I really didn’t think I’d hop on, but that was just poor analysis, so I’ll sheep there

And yeah, I haven’t read first 20 pages of this game still.

VOTE: SirCakez

Let’s go to Day 2

I'm lacking context as I haven't played with scum!FL, but this looks pretty bad for Cakez if true.

- Alianna

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DwtD 180 definitely feels weird considering how in they went in defending me against Marci earlier

I don't remember us doing that?

- Alianna

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Merlyn continues to feel like town.

- Alianna

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Just as I start to come around on Cakez, the push there starts disintegrating.

- Alianna

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It is mainly gut on Roden, I think I even see myself in them lol. Just feel like they are being earnest and open, like not too worried about how they look.

Also more leaning FL for town now.

That's fair enough. I haven't taken issue with any of their other posts so I think I'll just leave it.

- Alianna

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Where are you at for scumreads right now? I'd switch to Cakez, would also be fine staying on Snivy though. Not feeling the marci wagon.

- Alianna

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Where are you at for scumreads right now? I'd switch to Cakez, would also be fine staying on Snivy though. Not feeling the marci wagon.

- Alianna

I am not feeling Marci as well.

I am fine on Snivy

We can stick to our vote then.

- Alianna

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You know what, it's whatever. I'm just skeptical that a plan like that will turn out well.

- Alianna

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I should probably post something along those lines in the public thread but I haven't decided what exactly I want to post yet.
If for some reason you don't think Sacrificing today is a bad idea, I could be convinced, but idk. I don't like this lol.

- Alianna

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meowmeow also had something they wanted you to respond to.

oh, i don't think i actually responded to this. i know the one online is alianna and can't respond but like oh well

I feel like it's a complete waste of time talking to you since you just called my cancelled Penguin push scummy then admitted you haven't even read a Penguin post

I meant to answer the questions/concerns last night, but then got tired and the bed called my name(530 am wake up call).

Just seemed over the top to me and trying to find any angle to discredit FL. I hate when someones defense is finding even the tiniest of smoking guns, and I get getting upset(town or scum). But I also feel Cakez showed signs of frustration being run up as scum, even if he doesn't agree with the reasoning......trust me I have been there.

And I came after FL initially because I thought I could suss him out a bit, and it was probably more his back and forth with Cakez tbh, but I feel pretty good that I am seeing townFL.

-Drew

how do you differentiate 'town being frustrated at getting voted for bad reasons' from 'scum being frustrated at getting voted for bad reasons'?
can you elaborate on why you think cakez was like, trying to find any angle to discredit FL, and how does this work along with the idea that he's getting angry at being pushed for bad reasons?

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I'm going to regret calling FL obvtown, but asking to get sacrificed

is

pretty obvtown.

- Alianna

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Well. This is going...interestingly.

- Alianna

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I like meowmeow, Merlyn, FL for town.

- Alianna

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I like meowmeow, Merlyn, FL for town.

- Alianna

Maybe Roden too.

- Alianna

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Would you vote Infinity?

- Alianna

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Would you vote Infinity?

- Alianna

Just came in here to say their last post seemed defeated, yet still holding onto the read.

They aren't acting in good faith imo.

Hey look, we are discussing reads!! Lol

XD
Are you referring to 1411 or 1412?

- Alianna

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what are you hoping to gain from this interaction? i think you're more likely to recognize town!me by engaging us on something we haven't tried to explain yet

Why do they think I should be trying to see them as town?

- Alianna

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Done and done

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I'm fine with the marci wagon, definitely wouldn't defend her at this point, but I'll leave it up to you if you want to jump on.

- Alianna

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I kinda am not liking how Snivy joined the wagon, and how you pointed out a bit, FL reaction to it.

Gonna let it work itself out for now.

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Snivy looks like he can't get his story straight. I wouldn't be opposed to voting there.

- Alianna

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Oof, can't really have a hammer right now so I'm going to take that off for a second. I need to address some mech stuff.

- Alianna

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Sorry I didn't mention that until now.

- Alianna

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I'll also take this pagetop. My goal is to take every pagetop in this PT.

- Alianna

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Okay, I put marci back at E-1.

- Alianna

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Lol.

Alianna bringing up that they brought it up with the mod is super townie

Does this have weird vibes or am I being paranoid?

- Alianna

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Unvoting again to check some math because it seems Leaf didn't do it.

- Alianna

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Spoiler: mathy mech stuff, you don't need to read this post

town execution D2, town kill N2:

8v4 D2 ---> 6v4 MeLo D3
town execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 = 3v4 scum majority D4
town execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 = 4v4 parity D4
scum execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 = 4v3 ELo D4
scum execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 = 5v3 MeLo D4

scum execution D2, town kill N2:

8v4 D2 ---> 7v3 D3
town execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 = 4v3 ELo D4
town execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 = 5v3 MeLo D4
scum execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 = 5v2 D4
scum execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 = 6v2 D4

Spoiler: expanded mathy mechpost that you also don't have to read

town execution D2, town kill N2:

8v4 D2 ---> 6v4 MeLo D3
town execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 3v4 scum majority D4
town execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 4v4 parity D4
town execution D3 + no sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 4v4 parity D4
no execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 4v4 parity D4
no execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 5v4 ELo D4
no execution D3 + no sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 5v4 ELo D4
scum execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 4v3 ELo D4
scum execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 5v3 MeLo D4
scum execution D3 + no sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 5v3 MeLo D4


scum execution D2, town kill N2:

8v4 D2 ---> 7v3 D3
town execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 4v3 ELo D4
town execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 5v3 MeLo D4
town execution D3 + no sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 5v3 MeLo D4
no execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 5v3 MeLo D4
no execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 6v3 D3
no execution D3 + no sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 6v3 D3
scum execution D3 + town sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 5v2 D4
scum execution D3 + scum sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 6v2 D4
scum execution D3 + no sacrifice N3 + town NK N3 ---> 6v2 D4

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:D

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I really don't think my fearmongering was unjustified...

- Alianna

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Pagetop!

- Alianna

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If they actually knew our plan had a flaw like that and let us go through with it, that's not a good look.

- Alianna

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I'll be V/LA through Thursday because I'm not going to have computer access and phoneposting is painful.

- Alianna

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Maybe we’re less screwed than we thought we were?

- Alianna

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Pagetop!

- Alianna

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Of all the mafia games I have ever played, this is one of them.

- Alianna