mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[DkKoba]

why cant i be rewarded like once when anxious about a flip

[DkKoba]

anyways VOTE: bluesnek

imma have to talk to alisae postgame abt that one but maybe im just washed now (resisting the urge to blame eir xd)

h

[DkKoba]

well this significantly helped my PoV at least in that i won't be poisoned by this flip

now realizing mb my worldview was complete garbage thats why i was getting scumread lol

[DkKoba]

PookyTheMagicalBear - shortcutted this one tbh but they also thought it was vanilla and im taking that slip as real
Skygazer - same as above
Doctor Drew - this one might be wrong but just kinda think this guy was going crazy on something they thought was real tbh
MUSHSHAGANA - strong complex play and nuance that is v engaged with the game, think their progression is super transparant and towny
Meuh - i dunno it just feels good i dont have a good reason sorry
Dannflor - stonks up since bluesnek looking way worse with alisae town world confirmed
Ranger - similar to mush but this player is less polarized
HighPrincessErinys - meh i think ive been just snowed off really logical slots, my last town game i misvoted a townie who looked bad bc the other person sounded very good tone and logic wise but i really dont have a reason to drop atm but i acknowledge this could be a pocket but im by no means letting this go over now
RCEnigma - this is probably the true null point but also i do have this like gth townread based on my experience having to self towncase after replacing into a slot he had based on his approach
ofrhz - kinda a nothingburger slot after all this time but like purer than the ones below
SirCakez - some things feel v off, recalibrated, it feels a bit like a skeleton of cakez?? but also this could be the fact i flooded the game and cakez hates reading lots of posts and this has caused it so kek
sheepsaysmeep - literally has done nothing but also has an excuse for this but also we are running out of players for this
iamveryhappy - kinda feels super disengaged. role claim is being completely ignored here fwiw. disengagement could just be
BlueSnakelet - even more disengaged than the above .ngl this is just a trend for this bottom tier.
xyzzy - yup
Morning Tweet - yeah

???

reeval? but also noticed i basically shoved all the lowposters at the bottom but also maybe its just sort by postcount bc i wasnt thinking about postcount making this


also yeah my b again, it was like the 5% i didnt bother trying to consider of alisae just having an off game i guess, but im not gonna just dismiss everything they said, they tend to have a good gut.

[DkKoba]

for day 2, votes are grouped in "electoral" voting blocs. this means that within each bloc detailed below, the votes of all players in the bloc are allocated to whatever voting target has a majority within that bloc. so for example, if there is a bloc of five players, if three of them vote schadd, then that bloc will be worth five schadd votes. these blocs are not chosen via my discretion.

Spoiler:

vote count 2.0 !

bloc a

BlueSnakelet (1):

DkKoba

not voting (4):

Meuh, HighPrincessErinys, BlueSnakelet, iamveryhappy

bloc b

not voting (5):

Dannflor, Skygazer, Save The Dragons, SirCakez, Ranger

bloc c

not voting (2):

Morning Tweet, RCEnigma

bloc d

not voting (1):

ofrhz

bloc e

not voting (1):

MUSHSHAGANA

bloc f

not voting (1):

xyzzy

bloc g

not voting (1):

PookyTheMagicalBear

bloc h

not voting (1):

sheepsaysmeep

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to rake someone over the coals. day 2 starts now and ends when you make it end. i'm killing hostages.

moderateur notes

• i'm killing hostages

oh this is 100% scum ability

[DkKoba]

so pooky/orf/mush/xyzzy/sheep/mt are unvotable / cant use their votes it seems.

[DkKoba]

im assuming scum HAD to put at least 1 scum into a bloc that can get a majority or else this would be stupidly broken(and i would hate myself)

this is kinda a double edged sword bc we can see like that MT is super obvious scum now bc of being taken out of the pool when it was a free miskill if anything

[DkKoba]

so pooky/orf/mush/xyzzy/sheep/mt are unvotable / cant use their votes it seems.

What

read the bloc rules

basically pretend the game got split into 7 piece, and each bloc has its own set of players, like a subgame. you can only vote for people within your "subgame", and once 1 bloc gets maj we get an elimination. ergo anyone with 1-2 player in the bloc is unvoteable and its not like theyd self. this was deliberately setup IMO by scum and we can use it to somewhat read scum spew like a nightkill so theres that

[DkKoba]

its just for day 2 tho

[DkKoba]

like block A and B are the only ones that can get maj at 3 votes

[DkKoba]

i think bloc b has high chance of being pure

i feel like im being used so im gonna have to wonder which scum thinks they can put themselves in with me and live


altho.. bluesnek fits that bill perfectly, no way to know me as being a super crazy reevaluator when wrong

[DkKoba]

You can vote outside of your bloc but the bloc as a whole will always vote for the most popular target amongst voters in the bloc

i dont see your MT vote so i think mine is correct?

[DkKoba]

wait im so dumb, you voted after the VC lmao

[DkKoba]

well hopefully its your way so that i am like obvious town via super townslipping an obvious scum mech

[DkKoba]

players can vote any other player

pog i townslipped

[DkKoba]

hmm imagine we have 3 scum in ours to prevent our block from voting the others?

[DkKoba]

ok now the choices make less sense than the mechanic i was thinking of so maybe my worldview is trash again

[DkKoba]

someone carry me and solve the game ty

[DkKoba]

solo blocs = free votes

grouped blocs can be mixed scum, possible 1 maj to gain 2 votes with 3?

rce probably town implicitly based on the mech bc MT slot is dead weight there, seems deliberate

pooky getting vote agency feels pro scum, i feel like pooky would want to be in a group of 5 to get the big vote bc he is charismatic

idk lets get more thoughts from other ppl, this is a great way to spark discussion thats aligment telling

[DkKoba]

VOTE: ofrhz

lol now that alisae is dead this slot doesnt even try to pretend its town

[DkKoba]

how about we respect alisae's well reasoned townread on orf? that is like not that wild bc I myself reached it earlier than em

[DkKoba]

to the others voting there - HPE, with alisae being town, did you not have any reads change? for me the flip literally shook the foundation of my worldview, as like building from alisae scum is fundamentally different than alisae town, and I feel that should be the case for others

[DkKoba]

i do think ranger is town for suggesting the purge

ya i think scum are kinda piling onto ranger's idea for a quik elim lol

knowing the mech isnt scum controlled but schadd controlled is disappointing tho lol

but also the reactions to the mech are good info at least so.

[DkKoba]

it would be stupid to just keep eliminating the same list of people after the supposed leader of that scum pile just flipped town

Alisae wasn't a supposed leader of the scum pile.

Alisae was a compromise.

The purge has a focus on the slots coasting by and doing nothing. It's a bit subjective what qualifies. Mine continues to be ofhrz->xyzzy->RCEnigma->sheepsaysmeep. It eliminates slots doing nothing and eliminates slots outside the towncore.

why is bluensek outside of this

[DkKoba]

bluesnek has been literally like declining in activity like their first posts were good, then it was like meh, then bad, and now their last contribution was literally an empty vote.


and rce isnt doing nothing lol

are u woofing after all?

[DkKoba]

why orf first and not a slot like MT

[DkKoba]

why is bluensek outside of this

Because BlueSneklet is semi-cleared for TheBulge being the target of schadd's execution, as well as simply: I don't buy the scum case against them. I see BlueSnakelet's content as town, I don't buy the scumcase, and there's reason for clearing the slot.

i saw bluesnek's early content as probable from town and leaned scum bc of alisae positioning, but now thats out the window. there is nothing obvious town about the slot and they have fallen way off

so again, why orf, who was townread by conftown now, a conftown who explained why they townread it, over a slot like MT?

[DkKoba]

and rce isnt doing nothing lol

Check again. He's literally done nothing and

confessed as much

.

RCE did not similarly shift because I get the impression that RCE isn't engaged with the game and has no intention of figuring it out right now.

I disagree with this take. That RCEnigma isn't engaged with the game's clear enough. I would lump him in with xyzzy for still being readable off what he

has

produced, and it being +scum. I don't think he's making genuine pushes.

This is correct.

RCEnigma is a player capable of matching your posting, Koba. He can produce hundreds of posts.

He has

seventeen

.

And most are lazy, zero-level takes with no deeper thought present.

you dont need to explain to me how RCE plays town because I had to explain it in a 3way i replaced into to towncase my own slot

[DkKoba]

i went to refresh myself on RCE and his posts are super insightful into how he is thinking about the gamestate and its such a misrepresentation to say he is doing nothing wow.

i drove the overall postcount of active players to the extreme, but rce isnt an active player like that always and will fall behind easily, but he is still keeping up.

regardless, bluesnek/mt are 2 good targets today unless another emerges thats more obvious or they both obvtown themselves in some way

[DkKoba]

iamveryhappy, HighPrincessErinys, BlueSnakelet are getting b2b killed on orf town flip

[DkKoba]

also goodluck getting dann to vote orf over bluesnek lol

[DkKoba]

u rly think that the minority

on a town elimination wagon

is getting this close to a scum elim on a slot that was called town by dead town


get real

[DkKoba]

i went to refresh myself on RCE and his posts are super insightful into how he is thinking about the gamestate and its such a misrepresentation to say he is doing nothing wow.

I've been watching all seventeen of RCEnigma's posts and am familiar with what he's capable of doing.

His takes this game are lazy and demonstrate zero depth of thought. He literally opened with "ranger is efforting, that means ranger scum", and then never followed through on this thought, despite it being discussed as something I do every game.

Lazy yes, because I wasn’t really willing to go through the 30some pages before I was able to get active. But I’ve followed along since. No depth of thought is disingenuous.

You can’t see why it would be mildly suspicious given this game setup how you opened? In the context of how almost every other slot opened?

And my stance on meta is that it’s useful for some instances, but each new game is just that, full stop.

this stance being justified by my major miss on alisae slot despite good meta evidence that implied the wrong conclusion

[DkKoba]

Meuh sell me on my Bloc buddy.

can you do a test vote for like me to see if you have absolute control so long as they arent voting

[DkKoba]

to the others voting there - HPE, with alisae being town, did you not have any reads change? for me the flip literally shook the foundation of my worldview, as like building from alisae scum is fundamentally different than alisae town, and I feel that should be the case for others

This one is content to continue the purge plan, and it has to admit that it's been... a hot minute and this one kind of forgot the cases Ali made for ofrhz and Snakelet, which complicates matters. This one will check later but it does want to know what about Ali being town makes Snakelet's slot become scummy? This one might be willing to vote Snakelet pending looking into that stuff.

You can agree with a purge plan but if you're following it with 0 critical thought about the order thats super pro scum

[DkKoba]

Cause this one has to admit the claim Snakelet made is uh, fuckin weird, like why wouldn't you just instantly use that.

This also lightly implies scum would be immune to getting killed as hostages. Unless schadd was being very literal about "the scummiest

townie

" then this is a non-role. If schadd WAS, then maybe we

should

be rushing to get elims.

Fwiw it's extremely clear this is a super bastard game at this point. Possible it's a scum role that protects a townie from being home runnable

[DkKoba]

Well it's not exactly the most "I was town" preflip comment lmao

[DkKoba]

But also if this flips green : I was gonna unvote at the e-1 when i realized rip
If it flips red: ok cool good thing I wasn't around

[DkKoba]

In other news i just went shopping for puppy stuff for my new friend coming on Monday (:

[DkKoba]

shrug its not the worst miskill if it is bc it really opens up what the gamestate was this whole game and also forces the bluesnek pushers to reeval too, and helps them in a similar way alisae helped me

[DkKoba]

uh oh am I getting venged

[DkKoba]

i owe alisae an apology

[DkKoba]

(but also its pretty standard for anyone to be wrong -> right in mafia esp on d1 so peepee poo poo )

[DkKoba]

BlueSnakelet has been wiped! it was a

mafia goon

.

this would not have happened without me

u r chronic busser and didnt do anything to reach this naturally so no credit 4 u

[DkKoba]

reminder tho that bussing is like number 1 best longertm nightless strat so no one gets 100% townlocked off this for the entire game, just a pass for a little while

[DkKoba]

thats hilarious

[DkKoba]

i basically dont have a vote ROFL

[DkKoba]

VOTE: sleep

[DkKoba]

now that pooky slot is almost certainly town i can now hold it over pooky's head that he cannot consistently read me early game even when i try to be findable ggez

[DkKoba]

swing battah battah suh WINGGG

[DkKoba]

skygazer looking at bulge and praying

[DkKoba]

xyzzy/orf/MT/happy are the death pool IMO and if it goes outside that we murder those 4

[DkKoba]

ok maybe not murder as hard as if RCE were to die but still i feel like u can make a better case on happy scum based on RCE actually having takes

[DkKoba]

i think schadds metric for scumminess may not always align with the towns tbh

ya but like if he kills outside of those 5 (all of who were off the scum wagon, i think we can use flipped scum as a metric now) it is like ??

[DkKoba]

schadd has actually been training tommy edman and knew that he was going to go nuts

[DkKoba]

according to twitter this is his 3rd multi-homer game of his career(and hopefully his last of the season!!)

[DkKoba]

inb4 pooky dies so schadd doesnt have to repalce him... tbf

hey pooky has done nothing but tunnel and has no discernable thought process on his reads, and it seems like he had a pretty bus looking vote on snek when that wagon built over mine [/meta]

there u go schadd helping out the game mod not need to replace more people o7

[DkKoba]

surely edman wont hit a 3rd in the 9th

[DkKoba]

ok the game is over gg

[DkKoba]

we got francis

[DkKoba]

gg go next VOTE: sheep

[DkKoba]

I'm alive and richer 1 puppy

[DkKoba]

sheepsaysmeep iso. thats it, thats the post

[DkKoba]

heeere's tommy

[DkKoba]

xyzzy has been detonated. they were a

mafia hostage negotiator vulnerator

wow the person who wolfily hopped on my wagon was a wolf...

pretending to b shocked

[DkKoba]

3/5 scum down. I'll vote sheep if people still think that's the way to go, but my preferred solve right now is Ranger and ofrhz.

mfw u reminded me there are 5 and not 4 and i thought we were in the

home

stretch.

also shoutout tommy edman, all my homies love tommy edman

[DkKoba]

how boring all they did was vote pooky and then me

if i were on the outside looking in id smell a possible bus lmao

but also.. fmpov i was the only one majorly pushing xyzzy and they were never put in danger so scumteam probably is more asleep at the wheel here rather than actively playing?

[DkKoba]

do we just win via sort by postcount lmfao

[DkKoba]

me sorting by postcount in overview: oh wow all 3 flipped scum at the bottom, this must be reliable

[DkKoba]

rce and sheep are above bulge... who's low postcount was solely due to being the first victim....

[DkKoba]

dont mind me im just confbiasing the solution

[DkKoba]

definitely one of the worst 80 pages of mafia out there

I'm most of them wtf

[DkKoba]

VOTE: rce

[DkKoba]

VOTE: iavh

[DkKoba]

I could make the case for designating sky and I as locktown for rest of the game bc of vanilla slipping and maf have confirmed pr (pooky would be a 3rd but uhh yeah)

[DkKoba]

i still got that town vibe on orf but they also kinda fell off like bluesnek and i was wrong on that so i will hold defending them until they come back and post (but i am more open to defending bc of alisae)

[DkKoba]

i think my vanilla slip is probably within my scumrange tbh

I agree.

I don't think you're scum OR cleared.

On the subject of the slip; I was also operating under the assumption this game was vanilla, and it informed my opinion on slots. I thought everyone claiming roles was {in jest, ignorant of mechanics, desperate scum}. Since it wasn't explicit I understand it not showing clearly in my iso.

i am pretty obstinate about what is clearing and would take skygazer to f3 freely just based on that so

[DkKoba]

ya i reread orf and he feels distinctly unpaired from both blue and MT

[DkKoba]

i wouldnt go there first over maybe like a slot like StD(who was drew) or rce

[DkKoba]

If we speedlim Morning Tweet, we can spare the mod the trouble of having to find any replacements

VOTE: MT

I don't get how it matters, but I will show my solidarity

[DkKoba]

The town world can't exist, because no one reads the Koba/Ranger 1v1, decides its SvS, and votes Koba without further explanation. They have to elaborate on that, because they have to know they're alone in thinking it -- especially when every active slot says "wow, openwolfing" in response and they STILL have nothing to say.

there's pages and pages of dkkoba and ranger spewing nonsense back and forth at each other. this game has the illusion of urgency because, my god, tommy could whack that ball right outta the park at any moment, but the truth is that this is mathematically super town-sided and we do not need to panic. dumping that many posts in the thread that quickly is a great way to clog the whole game up while also making people feel like a lot has happened and surely we must've talked this through enough to end the day. and, like, i could contribute to that and quote a hundred posts and say "here's why this one's bullshit, and here's why this one's bullshit, and here's why this one's double bullshit," but who needs that? the point is that the entire corpus of dkkoba v ranger is scummy.

i just read xyzzy's ISO and now i remember why i had it low b4 the vote on me, and it was bc like there was a *single* game related post in all of it, now theres a total of 3 only.

i'm takin it easy breezy on purpose. i did not join a nightless deadlineless game with baseball-triggered modkills because i wanted to write one hundred thousand posts a day

I lied, I’ve read this one singular page and I’m sleeping xyzzy as long as it isn’t on ranger
VOTE: koba sorry dk, tell me why I’m wrong.

VOTE: rce

[DkKoba]

this game, mechanically and flavorfully, has been maybe my favorite of all time so far

i mean like how can you beat an IRL event thats somewhat unlikely affecting the game? and then getting 2 of those events in 1 night?]

AND one of those random events being able to take out a mafia, so its not all bad.

[DkKoba]

i dont think its enough by this point + i found the post bogus at the time wrt the reasoning of sheeping ? it makes sense to me most when its 2 scum in a scumchat trying to bounce off eachother

[DkKoba]

there are 2 paths here

1 path is that of we assume mafia didnt have the opportunity to distance properly. this leads to slots like sheep/rce

the other path is that scum distanced somewhat. this leads to slots such as my own, mush, etc.

i am not going to currently entertain a world where scum hard distanced - that includes people like dann

[DkKoba]

My gut says this isnt as easy as killing lowposters and someone who pushed blue/xyzzy/Mt are scum who positioned well

[DkKoba]

does tommy play today

[DkKoba]

ur lying he plays tomorrow vs the mets

i will vote when he's at bat

[DkKoba]

SPECIAL VOTING OPTION

during this phase, players will be granted the ability to VOTE: sicko mode. if sicko mode reaches a majority, SirCakez and sheepsaysmeep will be executed; as well, every player who votes this option will be spared from hostage murders for the next nine days after the execution is posted. this pair of players was selected either by the mafia team or by my own discretion.

Spoiler:

vote count 5.0!

sicko mode (0):

not voting (11):

Skygazer, DkKoba, RCEnigma, MUSHSHAGANA, SirCakez, HighPrincessErinys, sheepsaysmeep, Save The Dragons, Ranger, Dannflor, Meuh

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to mail someone's fossil. day 5 ends when you make it end. i'm killing hostages.

moderateur notes

• bort

does anyone claim this as an ability

[DkKoba]

also nice, game is easy, its just sort by postcount

[DkKoba]

VOTE: rce

[DkKoba]

idk schadd killed a mafia id say his reads are p good

[DkKoba]

since he isn't allowed to kill mafia and all that normally

[DkKoba]

we are 4/5 down im autopiloting until someone im pushing actually pushes back

[DkKoba]

(or well, until effort is warrented)

[DkKoba]

tommy edman hitting 2 homers in 1 game was quite the highlight

[DkKoba]

ggs

[DkKoba]

Also! Very glad to not have had to claim because going "yeah i cant be killed by tommy actually" would have raised some eyebrows.

probably apt to claim it start of game/as a miller tbh - but not claiming it did lead to mechslips

[DkKoba]

a little upset drew wasn't scum and was actually just being a prick to you. maybe got out of hand with pooky but also just did not like how he was treating you.

Lol, I was the prick?? And you are somehow blaming Pooky as well???

Ok, sure....believe that

thats a weird way of saying "my b was very wrong, egg on face, etc."

i know a confbiased one when i see it

fwiw i kinda felt u were town b4 i stated it in thread i just wanted to kinda tank ur threadpull, lowkey a tactic of mine to manipulate gamestate into my favor as either alignment

[DkKoba]

i blame the mafia team for not hyping up tommy edman more