In post 834, Aristeia wrote:
well you're voting for her and pushing for her to be eliminated right? whereas she's not really doing the same to you?
I guess maybe we have different opinions about scum motivation and how meow would play scum because you think she would be like you and I'm not sure that would be the case.
hm, if i am voting her and pushing for her to be eliminated and scum!her goes all in on doing the same
(which i would definitely not say i am all in here or anything currently reconsidering / your input is valuable to me et cetera)
but if scum!meowmeow does so do you think scum!meowmeow would think that'd be likely to have an outcome in her favour?
i think what I'm trying to convey is
I think her comments about you feel more like town!her saying to be careful of you because she is worried a lot of the thread is just default reading you as town and she knows you're perfectly capable of being mafia
rather than trying to actively mis-elim you?
I guess I think if scum!her is worried about town!you it'd be easier to deal with you by not engaging or just omgusing because it fits neatly into her town meta.
as to whether scum her pushing you in this game would lead to you being yeeted, I don't really know and I can't begin to guess at what she would think if she were mafia in this game state
I think her comments about you feel more like town!her saying to be careful of you because she is worried a lot of the thread is just default reading you as town and she knows you're perfectly capable of being mafia
rather than trying to actively mis-elim you?
I guess I think if scum!her is worried about town!you it'd be easier to deal with you by not engaging or just omgusing because it fits neatly into her town meta.
i do not feel like she is trying to actively mis-elim me right now but i guess i also do not feel like scum!meowmeow would be trying to actively mis-elim me here regardless,
idk to me it feels maybe less like that and more like, beware you can't trust it treat everything it says as nai like not as means to get me eliminated but as means to create paranoia make the things i push for more suspicious less trustworthy and her able to oppose those things on grounds other than disagreeing with them if she desires
In post 520, Aristeia wrote:
people need to actually post and interact with Bell so I can refine my read on him
like this doesnt work if ya'all don't post
In post 525, Aristeia wrote:
I already think you're mafia so it probably would not be productive
You seem to be contradicting yourself here. You either think Bell is mafia or you want others to interact with them so you can refine your read on them.
In post 520, Aristeia wrote:
people need to actually post and interact with Bell so I can refine my read on him
like this doesnt work if ya'all don't post
In post 525, Aristeia wrote:
I already think you're mafia so it probably would not be productive
You seem to be contradicting yourself here. You either think Bell is mafia or you want others to interact with them so you can refine your read on them.
well if i'm wrong about bell being mafia I would like to see that from how he interacts with other people
and if i'm right it would only increase my confidence in the read if the interactions feel off.
partnered with shadi1337 then? or meowmeow? or just not take those opportunities ? or?
No wrt me? I'm the biggest wagon
right but meowmeow would be the biggest if doctor drew was voting there instead, so if simply opportunistic scum, i am asking why this opportunity and not those in your opinion
In post 712, Aristeia wrote:
wdym by the way i am clarifying is townie? can you give like an example and why it is townie?
264 Wants to clarify 354 Does not want to clarify 362 Back to clarifying
I find that towny. If you wanted to just slap a SR you could have if you wanted to just fight criticism you could have. Changing back and forth based on what you think is helpful is town
530 and 538 if you want something recent. (Admittedly this had to be prompted w/ backlash to your "do work for me town" which takes away cookie points)
Bell is TOT wallposting but trying to boil that down into something nice and readable is in the best interest of town imo.
It's not just that series of posts but is writing an essay on every nuance of my read on you what you want? I could have literally just said "Feel" and it would mean the exact same thing as what I'm writing.
It's not 1 or 2 or 4 posts that pinged me nor is it specifically only this attribute of clarity/obfuscation its an overall impression of your mindset.
like if you think me/datisi/meowmeow all town i feel like would maybe be likely a scums?
or at least that's how i feel when i assume datisi/meowmeow both town so i wonder
not that it would make sense for scum!you partnered with shadi1337 to try to show me meowmeow is town or anything here so mostly just asking why shadi1337 not likely alongside bell/superbowl9/dunnstral to you
In post 604, yekaterina wrote:
does datisi being upset with me for not voting feel like,
right? to you
like it is logical and reasonable of course and he is probably correct regarding why my play bad
but does the way in which expressed feel like, town?
it's not really something i think is ai, i think datisi could write that easily as both alignments
it's not about
could
write that easily as either alignment of course it could
like i pretty strongly believe that anyone could write pretty much any post as any alignment if they wanted to (like if i can post somewhat competently as a scums anyone can)
i guess maybe i just have zero understanding of how you go about determining which alignment posts might be coming from it felt like datisi was upset with me for how i was playing (justified) but was also threatening a scumread for this when it has been scumreading me and pairing me with whoever throughout anyway and also felt maybe disproportionate and also like, it probably knows helping me to who to vote more effective if town if datisi feels he has a better idea who to eliminate than i do
i mean, of course he theoretically could write that post as both alignments? i just think that in addition to that, it could just... easily come from town datisi or scum datisi. it is really not difficult to imagine either scenario for me. i do not see it as a particularly alignment indicative post. etc etc
but it just feels like there is perspective issue with regards to her reads and approach to me (and i guess also get the same feeling with her reads of datisi as well though presents itself differently of course)
like it's just like, 'i have noted these specific scummy things and noted nothing that could potentially be towny from you and even if i did it wouldn't count because! you won this recent scumgame even though none of the things i have noted are scummy about you in this game have comparables in that game or anything'
and its pretty hard to see town!her just finding nothing at all to be towny about town!me i guess doesn't even feel like she wants to
i mean i don't particularly want to find things to townread about you. i could have found things that are slightly +town if i tried hard enough? your talking to me about datisi was maybe + town
i don't really see the point in writing things that don't especially stand out to me just for a balanced analysis or whatever, that post was long enough as it is
In post 797, Aristeia wrote:
I don't know - I think it's kind of weird to think one scum would use another scum as a "honeypot" because highlighting a partner in such a way is p ???
maybe as an anti-associative? but even then the risks do not really make that much sense with the reward which is p bleh?
but like I don't see why town!ausuka can't think it - I think scum tend to make more sense than town usually because town just say what they think whereas scum tend to first double triple check things to make sure what they say "makes sense"
the read was based on the fact that i think pushing on shadi there would have happened like exactly the same regardless of if she made the incredibly non-commital honeypot or not. i think scum like making a show of pushing or at least interacting with their partners at some point, and i thought the way she made the interactions with shadi about her and this weird honeypot thing was very
like if they're scum together i think it makes more sense from the pov of 'i want to make the situation look like i had more to do with the pressure building on my scum partner than i actually did'
In post 806, yekaterina wrote:
like it feels like if meowmeow is town is likely following datisi's logic in terms of 'if can't follow her thought process, then a scums' which comes from datisi mostly being familiar with 2020-21 me and like, shouldn't be applicable for meowmeow? based on her own experience
it kind of factored into my thinking at the start but has not been a big thing for me for most of the game
In post 807, Aristeia wrote:
well if she read 1087 I would think she is familiar with your scumplay and has reason to be wary of it.
she's not really trying to get you voted off so what is the point of the read if she is mafia?
does me doing things that 'don't make sense' or whatever, such as with the honeypot, seem likely to come from scum!me based on that game though? or the other things she has found issue with?
like it felt to me like she was citing that game to say, 'look the things i am saying make sense, i am wary of it and everyone else should be too it just won this game' without actually taking anything from that game to apply here alignment wise
and to counter a narrative that doesn't really exist about me being town for saying vaguely towny things and such
could be longer term thing like i backburner plenty of things like that as a scums i assume meowmeow does as well could be to because finds it an easier interaction axis could be to push things in opposition to me while not trying to eliminate me, like there are plenty of options and it's probably a combination of many if she's a scums
idk i can't just start townreading everyone who pushes me at any point because they're unlikely to get me eliminated and they probably know that
and she started off townreading me in a preemptive way anyway
and much of the other things predate completion of micro 1087 so i don't know when the 'wariness' might have even started applying into thoughts if town
i mean, micro 1087 did not play into my scumread you at all
i don't actually know *exactly why* people are townreading you but i felt it was happening too quickly and i didn't understand it so i felt like it was worth bringing up
again, there is like... not a downside to bringing this up. like there isn't a downside to voting someone i scumread. i'm not sure why the standard is that i have to 'need' to do things for me to do them
expectation isn’t that you have need to but rather that you’d have reason to and scum reasons seem at least as likely as town reasons for this one at least based on application of
