Newbie 2129 - Postgame

[Alianna]

2.02

Votecount 2.02

humaneatingmonkey (E-2): TheHoldSteady, SzmarzLeek
Merlyn (1): SmileyDude1
The Bulge (1): Merlyn

Not Voting (3): patchwork, humaneatingmonkey, The Bulge

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-08-27 21:29:34).

[SzmarzLeek]

is the idea she's scum because she's avoiding to eliminate happy?
if scum!seveneyes identified the pr, why would she need to avoid pushing the slot if the opportunity presented itself? doesn't she want to push the slot?

the thing is, she scumread it but "forgot" to push it

and the whole game was scummy, playing to avoid the prods and mostly talking when pushed to that

[humaneatingmonkey]

hello Merlyn, nice to have you here

my reads hasn't changed because we didn't have much content

townleans


Bulge (very adamant to lim innocent Steve)
Smiley (I like the engagement and attempts to break the silence and move the game
patchwork (when Geek wasn't feverish he played well)
THS (overall low volume but decent observations)


scumreads
Merlyn
humaneating monkey

scummy game from Civil Scum and Seven, avoiding the game much, especially with Seven dancing around happy; also it seems like they only provided input to the game when prodded to do so or questioned by other, no own thoughts

ehhh

are your townreads just activity-based?
except for THS, interesting, you think their observations are decent? what about their observations are decent?

[humaneatingmonkey]

is the idea she's scum because she's avoiding to eliminate happy?
if scum!seveneyes identified the pr, why would she need to avoid pushing the slot if the opportunity presented itself? doesn't she want to push the slot?

the thing is, she scumread it but "forgot" to push it

and the whole game was scummy, playing to avoid the prods and mostly talking when pushed to that

that doesn't sound like scum, but rather just a player who wasn't really that interested in playing the game

[humaneatingmonkey]

come on guys, who's been running the show. i want intuitive answers. type a name in your reply box and then hit submit. ultra instinct. go.

[SzmarzLeek]

and Seven's approach to happy was kinda inconsistent, especially now we know it was a PR

first she said he's leaning scum in her eyes

then I'd asked who she'd lim, and she didn't mention him

when I reminded her that she scumreads him, she said she'd be okay with limming him after all

kinda dancing around the person they knew they'd nkill?

and if Seven had been town, how would you have explained it? or have you stopped figuring out an alternate explanation here?

I'd explain it with weird towny play

anyway if Seven is/was scum they wouldn't be an experienced one from what I saw, could be that she didn't know what to do with power role the more experienced guy pointed out

anyway it's weird to me how you don't notice that Seven was scummily lurking and giving forced, weird answers

first thing you join you try to defend this slot

[humaneatingmonkey]

leek, it's my slot. i know it's town. do you want me to pussyfoot around the obvious?

[SzmarzLeek]

it's not obvious to me, it was my priority lim

can you really tell me looking at Seven's iso that it's an obvious town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

seven being "scummily lurking" and giving "forced, weird answers" is your opinion and the story you're telling.

i clearly see a newbie who thought she'd try mafia, was uninterested, and politely excused herself out of the game.

[The Bulge]

with the green flip we can pretty much guarantee there was at least 1 scum on the wagon, maybe 2. fmpov i think its likely the scum on steve's wagon were also on mine/brassherald's.

Votecount 1.FINAL

MagicalSteve

(ELIMINATED):

iamveryhappy

,

The Bulge

, SmileyDude1, TheHoldSteady, Civil Scum

Votecount 1.06

brassherald

(E-1): KawaiiMikuStan,

MagicalSteve

, Civil Scum, TheHoldSteady

i solidly tr szmarz (kawaii slot) and smiley so will be looking at how viable a cs/holdsteady team is today, but just from the wagon analysis id bet money its at least one of them.

Did a joint ISO of the CS/Holdstady slots, and I think I slightly lean towards unviable. HPE didn't interact with Hold before they replaced so i'm mostly going off of interactions between Civil and Hold. Civil's 201 agrees with Hold's 131 in regards to 113 being perfomative. Civil's 231 asks Hold to expand on their take in 217 which they do in their 240 leading to Civil's response a post later. Up to this point I'd say that the interactions between the two slots fall into the realm of fakeable through good coordination. The interaction afterward throws a wrench into the slots viability as a pair. Hold's 384 criticizes Civil and their predecessor for not advancing the game along saying they feel more favorably towards CCGeek due to them progressing the game. Civil doesn't respond to this despite posting afterwards. This feels like the type of thing where i'd think a Civil/Hold pair would likely have coordinated better than it wound up being. Like i'd expect either a response on the subject from Civil or for Hold to just bite their tongue on the criticism entirely.

I think of the two Civil is more likely to flip red in isolation for reasoning I mentioned earlier, and in an effort to get the game moving again

VOTE: Civil Scum

note to self to come back to this after catching up

[humaneatingmonkey]

can you really tell me looking at Seven's iso that it's an obvious town?

yeah man, it's a town iso. she's been nothing but off-the-cuff replies. it's the stream-of-consciousness shit that makes it obvious.

[The Bulge]

and Seven's approach to happy was kinda inconsistent, especially now we know it was a PR

first she said he's leaning scum in her eyes

then I'd asked who she'd lim, and she didn't mention him

when I reminded her that she scumreads him, she said she'd be okay with limming him after all

kinda dancing around the person they knew they'd nkill?

imo it's a bit of a fruitless effort to speculate too much about reasons for a nightkill. scum didnt necessarily know iavh was doctor, and we have no way of knowing if they did or didn't

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think we can slightly speculate that iavh was probably tempting the kill a lot by softing clumsily in the beginning

[SzmarzLeek]

and Seven's approach to happy was kinda inconsistent, especially now we know it was a PR

first she said he's leaning scum in her eyes

then I'd asked who she'd lim, and she didn't mention him

when I reminded her that she scumreads him, she said she'd be okay with limming him after all

kinda dancing around the person they knew they'd nkill?

imo it's a bit of a fruitless effort to speculate too much about reasons for a nightkill. scum didnt necessarily know iavh was doctor, and we have no way of knowing if they did or didn't

lol they why would scum murder him otherwise

I think the strongest town reads at the time were Geek and me, and they didn't murder any of us, so that's why chance that they were aiming for the role is high

unless they were playing around a Doctor

do they know if there's a Doctor in the game judging by their own roles?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm finding it hard to believe that leek would really think that seven is scum for not pushing what leek thinks is an obvious PR slot. surely it's more beneficial for scum to push for a TPR elimination, and then seal the deal with another chance at a TPR during the NK?

i'm reaaaally finding the reason to be forced.

[The Bulge]

yea could be, but it was public information and scum isnt exactly going to telegraph their pr reads in-thread

pedit: scum would only know which column we are in, not which row. though with the doc flip now scum does know the setup.

[SzmarzLeek]

hello Merlyn, nice to have you here

my reads hasn't changed because we didn't have much content

townleans


Bulge (very adamant to lim innocent Steve)
Smiley (I like the engagement and attempts to break the silence and move the game
patchwork (when Geek wasn't feverish he played well)
THS (overall low volume but decent observations)


scumreads
Merlyn
humaneating monkey

scummy game from Civil Scum and Seven, avoiding the game much, especially with Seven dancing around happy; also it seems like they only provided input to the game when prodded to do so or questioned by other, no own thoughts

ehhh

are your townreads just activity-based?
except for THS, interesting, you think their observations are decent? what about their observations are decent?

e.g. regarding me, he thought I avoided the wagon to play "at least I didnt lim an innocent person" card, such idea although false is towny I think

and in this game he asked a lot of questions to other people and gave some original thoughts like here

viewtopic.php?p=13879444#p13879444

or how they point out inconsistencies in other people's plays

viewtopic.php?p=13885741#p13885741


most incriminating thing for THS is how he subtly switched to Steve's wagon, I think he was the person who did it because "it was popular" most

especially here

Bulge raises good points about Steve. Maybe I was about to be fooled

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm going to sleep. tomorrow i'll iso everyone (or at least start with Bulge, SmileyDude, THS, and CS). if i got too busy, then let's hope i survive until day 3.

good night guys

[The Bulge]

lol they why would scum murder him otherwise

my point is, while this may be true, it's not a pursuit that is likely to lead anywhere. if someone robs a bank we can presume its for the money, but how does that presumption narrow the search down?

[SzmarzLeek]

i'm finding it hard to believe that leek would really think that seven is scum for not pushing what leek thinks is an obvious PR slot. surely it's more beneficial for scum to push for a TPR elimination, and then seal the deal with another chance at a TPR during the NK?

i'm reaaaally finding the reason to be forced.

it was about not pushing

it was about having this push/not-push attitude

say it's a scumlean but not being placed in their 3 candidates to lim (where she even put someone they townlean)

and don't talk like it's the only reason I found seven scum, you're being manipulative and deaf to my arguments now
I wanted to lim seven d1, before the kill happened

[SzmarzLeek]

it wasn't about not pushing*

[humaneatingmonkey]

woah there

what truths am i manipulating, my dude

i hear you, you wanna eliminate seven because of activity
but what i'm concerned is that you're reinforcing your activity-based scumread with speculations about dancing around a slot seven wants to NK

[The Bulge]

Otherwise CS is completely null to me. Most of his content is just coming in and agreeing with what others have already said

what makes that a null-read to you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

and just now, you've tried to call me scum for defending my own slot and being manipulative and deaf about your arguments

it's hard not to feel like you've decided i'm your elimination, and just inventing reasons to justify that now

[SzmarzLeek]

i'm finding it hard to believe that leek would really think that seven is scum for not pushing what leek thinks is an obvious PR slot. surely it's more beneficial for scum to push for a TPR elimination, and then seal the deal with another chance at a TPR during the NK?

i'm reaaaally finding the reason to be forced.

also

1. happy wasn't easily pushable
2. where do I think it's an obvious PR slot? I had no idea
3. happy would have claimed if it came to limming him

this post makes no sense