Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[ofrhz]

okay the mod checked in so if no hood is created between KKFC and Ircher, something's up

[Bingle]

That’s be a guilty on kkfc, actually.

[xyzzy]

(apologies for my somewhat limited presence this week btw. turns out if you're trying to sell a car that won't start that's parked in a parking garage and therefore needs to be towed by a vehicle that cannot get into a garage, that's actually one of the hardest things you can do and will suck up all your free time)

(okay some of my free time was spent fucking around with my 3d printer. what of it)

[ofrhz]

bc KKFC hooded someone else that isn't Ircher? yeah probs

[ofrhz]

(okay some of my free time was spent fucking around with my 3d printer. what of it)

What did you print?

[ofrhz]

Okay so assuming xyzzy creates the hood, Ircher shouldn't accept KKFC's recruitment.

Instead he should be Skygazer's recruit, right? Or Theta can recruit Ircher and Ircher can then recruit skygazer, but Ircher should be a Theta recruit, whether directly or indirectly

[camelCasedSnivy]

LMAO I HAD A FEELING THIS WOULD HAPPEN

[camelCasedSnivy]

(okay some of my free time was spent fucking around with my 3d printer. what of it)

What did you print?

mod pocketing !!!

[camelCasedSnivy]

i wonder how unforunate you gotta be to get into that situation though

[ofrhz]

LMAO I HAD A FEELING THIS WOULD HAPPEN

Feeling what would happen?

[camelCasedSnivy]

LMAO I HAD A FEELING THIS WOULD HAPPEN

Feeling what would happen?

mod imposed deadline

[Theta Alpine]

oh hey an actual deadline

but uh yeah
bingle did accept the power in our neighborhood

but i do not think actually got any powers or got recruited

[Ranger]

i will vote you out before cook if you want to play it this way

Objectively better than your plan.

Voting outside the guaranteed group of four is suboptimal.

[Ranger]

i find it odd you dropped the readslist thing and are actively pushing reasoning.

My last readslist was 2021. The list still holds, aside from the Ircher tier. Ircher should be up with DragonEater70, and Random Nurse bumped down to around the Alisae slot.

Mentally, I didn't think it was enough to warrant posting. As there's more a change than I thought, you're right about a need for an update.

{KatyKimFanClub, camelCasedSnivy, Political Clout, DKKoba}

(all on the caveats of Meuh/Cook flipping scum)

{DragonEater70, Ircher}
{Bingle, AniX}
{Save The Dragons, Theta Alpine}
{ofrhz}
{Klick}
{Aureal, Skygazer}
{Meuh}
{Cook}

[Ranger]

With that said, your argument for specifically implo making that specific group does seem to hold water.

If the argument holds water, it's guaranteed.

Thanks to the xyzzy-siterules-clarification, I can't risk going into the details. I'm 100% sure Cook is from my group from Cook's posts discussing formatting and knowing it's an exact match to mine. I'm 99% sure KatyKimFanClub and camelCasedSnivy share this group. Their being likely EpicMafia-based roles bolsters the odds all of them being together.

[Ranger]

1. Ranger has been using hyperbolic language when pushing Cook, saying multiple times the cay

guarantee

that Cook is scum, even though they base their evidence on speculation that we have no way of confirming regarding the role groups.

I'd happily elaborate if doing so didn't risk a modkill. I

can't

be anything except hyperbolic about the role PM groupings being guaranteed. My reasons for scumreadking Cook specifically in the group are beyond just my role directly countering hers.

[Aureal]

okay the mod checked in so if no hood is created between KKFC and Ircher, something's up

That's why xyzzy recommended PMing to point out recruitment phrases being used, it's most likely it was overlooked. I

really

doubt Ircher would jump at the open Amway offer just to show that he couldn't get it.

[Ranger]

2. Ranger has explictly stated they wanted to fake claim, and then said that these statements were a breadcrumb to their role? Except I don't really see how it breadcrumbs anything.
Don't see any relation personally.

I never actually pointed out all of my breadcrumbs. 32 was admitting I wasn't going to lie in my claim. 34 lays out I'm not just a miller. 45 was saying I was going to lie and claim my real role but say it's a fakeclaim. 95 was saying fakeclaiming's a bad habit. 131, I answered I should be aiming at town, because removing town modifiers/passives usually works as a +town buff. 133, I was fishing for negative utilities to claim, because I wanted to target negative utility players. 309, I kicked off massclaim because I selfishly wanted to know the best players to target. 1002 was meant to be posted the day after 309 yet was delayed due to my partner's situation, and was me following through on the prior breadcrumbs because the questions I asked about my 'fakeclaim' were me asking questions about my real role. I sent five questions to xyzzy to clarify the nature of my ability.

[Ranger]

Until they got really angry about Cook being in the same grouping as them.

My only emotion regarding Cook is annoyance I'm not being followed to an elimination.

We have a guaranteed group of four which

certainly

contains scum, and it's a group with relatively active players who most slots have given commentary on. It's not a wagon on lurkers who give little information, it's a wagon on a player who has plenty of interactions which could break the game wide open if we actually flipped her.

If Cook were town it'd reveal one of {KatyKimFanClub, camelCasedSnivy} as scum, when that's against most players' expectations (throw in Ranger if being objective), and if Cook's scum then it conftowns all three within.

I've not towncased KatyKimFanClub or camelCasedSnivy, yet I

have

laid out why I believe Cook's scum by play.
Cook had a strong initial entrance, universally thought of as town.

I suggested Cook as deepscum.
Cook's demeanor instantly shifted as I began to push her.
She went from not paying attention to me at all to consistently portraying me negatively and trying to discredit me.
Cook's interactions with the Meuh slot heavily suggest they're scumbuddies.
Cook's play has gotten more anti-spew and more defensive as the pressure ramped up against her.

Cook's stances also shifted in response to 2043(first draft, 1972).

Throw in Cook's role is positive utility for scum to use (tacking on negative-utility modifiers to town players) and my role directly counters her (removing negative utilities), and there's a very high chance Cook's scum. Doubly so, if you think KKFC/CCS are town.

Could

I be wrong? It's possible. Still, this is the most sure I've ever been on a scumread.

[Ranger]

Chess doctor was wild. And we freaking ate it up.

I like playing theme games, particularly bastards, because they allow my creativity to flow.

Still, not every game will have a banger fakeclaim. Here I had to claim the miller part and I didn't think it smart to lie about my role in a massclaim I proposed, so I couldn't flex this game. Alas. Next time, perhaps.

[Ranger]

VOTE: meuh
ok I think I have enough to say to flash wagon this

This is a good wagon and I'd join you there, as Meuh has a high chance of being scum. Not as guaranteed as Cook, yet high enough to warrant risking a D1 elimination, should we fancy it.

[DragonEater70]

Okay so assuming xyzzy creates the hood, Ircher shouldn't accept KKFC's recruitment.

Instead he should be Skygazer's recruit, right? Or Theta can recruit Ircher and Ircher can then recruit skygazer, but Ircher should be a Theta recruit, whether directly or indirectly

This is true

[DragonEater70]

Ranger I will read your bazillion quotes of me later

[DragonEater70]

So right now, is the MLM like this? can someone confirm?

Code: Select all

              Aureal
             /       \
           /           \
KatyKimFanClub      Theta Alpine
   |                        /  
   |                      /
Ircher (?)               Bingle (hooded but not recruited?)
                        /
                       /
                  DragonEater70 (hooded but not recruited?)

I am not hooded since Bingle's role prevents them from acquiring new powers.

[Ircher]

Okay so assuming xyzzy creates the hood, Ircher shouldn't accept KKFC's recruitment.

Instead he should be Skygazer's recruit, right? Or Theta can recruit Ircher and Ircher can then recruit skygazer, but Ircher should be a Theta recruit, whether directly or indirectly

I'm confused. What difference does it make?