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[jjh927]

I guess I can clarify that the reason I'm scumreading Wheme so much after today's interactions are that he dug down rather than shrugging and going off in a different direction after being confronted by the weakness in his thought process. I remember town!Wheme being amenable to having it pointed out when he's using bad reasoning and going in a more logical but still Wheme-driven direction, whereas scum!Wheme has more resistance to moving stance.

In short, I think town!Wheme is much more fluid than scum!Wheme, and I believe experiments with pressure have determined his state of matter

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, i didn’t even realize.

Thanks.

[ina marija]

and i wouldn't say katykimfanclub has been particularly towny to me

though it's certainly noteworthy that this was one of the slots whemestar pointed out as it's not like he is at the very top of ranger's reads or anything

[jjh927]

Like, the reason I was grilling Wheme about his Ranger read wasn't because it wasn't a reasonable stance to have on the game. It was because his reasoning to get there was bad, which presented the opportunity to take him through it in a way where I think I know how town!Wheme would respond. Quizzing Wheme about his reasoning is a good way to see how he's thinking, and he would have shown a different thought process if he was town

[ina marija]

I guess I can clarify that the reason I'm scumreading Wheme so much after today's interactions are that he dug down rather than shrugging and going off in a different direction after being confronted by the weakness in his thought process.

specifically with regards to past experience bottom of readslist thing or with regards to entire ranger read in general?

[jjh927]

jjh I take it that was meant for me? So you agree with some of my SRs? I’m glad you’ve changed your mind on Aristeia, though when reading your inquisition around #449 and the confidence you expressed in 480, I had alarm bells ringing.

I'm mainly leaving you to your catchup. My posts right now are primarily for ina

[ina marija]

i guess maybe outside of bottom of readslist thing i wouldn't expect town!whemestar to have thought 'oh this reasoning is bad' coming out of conversation with you in order to be more amenable

kinda worried about narrow focus and whemestar not trying to address issues with me despite numerous opportunities to do so having already presented themselves tho

[jjh927]

I guess I can clarify that the reason I'm scumreading Wheme so much after today's interactions are that he dug down rather than shrugging and going off in a different direction after being confronted by the weakness in his thought process.

specifically with regards to past experience bottom of readslist thing or with regards to entire ranger read in general?

It's more about my understanding of Wheme's general attitude as a person and the way his thought process and behaviour differs when he is town

The points I was asking about were irrelevant to my read- I wanted to see how he would respond, particularly under a middle to growing level of pressure

[ina marija]

but digging in on bottom of readslist thing i can kinda see how you would think that but! like i said before you're also pushing that point so its not like whemestar is naturally bringing that up as part of thought process regarding

[jjh927]

Town!Wheme would probably have disregarded it and be looking at something else though

For scum!Wheme right now his collection of Ranger related nonsense is all he has

[ina marija]

I guess I can clarify that the reason I'm scumreading Wheme so much after today's interactions are that he dug down rather than shrugging and going off in a different direction after being confronted by the weakness in his thought process.

specifically with regards to past experience bottom of readslist thing or with regards to entire ranger read in general?

It's more about my understanding of Wheme's general attitude as a person and the way his thought process and behaviour differs when he is town

The points I was asking about were irrelevant to my read- I wanted to see how he would respond, particularly under a middle to growing level of pressure

ah, hm

my past experience with whemestar is very limited and almost wholly inapplicable here unless third party is a jester variant and whemestar has rolled it

still hard for me to see why town!whemestar would have been super likely to be amenable to oh my reasoning doesn't make any sense there when the differences in readslists do seem significant to me

[ina marija]

Town!Wheme would probably have disregarded it and be looking at something else though

For scum!Wheme right now his collection of Ranger related nonsense is all he has

but beyond just noting it whemestar did disregard it as far as i can tell only brought up again because you specifically asked about it

[ina marija]

my past experience with whemestar is very limited and almost wholly inapplicable here unless third party is a jester variant and whemestar has rolled it

which i would say is very unlikely i do not think whemestar is a jester here based on my experience with whemestar

[jjh927]

The readslist difference thing was a latter point I asked about, not the first and more important thing for the reaction

[ina marija]

The readslist difference thing was a latter point I asked about, not the first and more important thing for the reaction

i was talking about the bottom of the readslist thing there as that was your engaging point if i remember correctly

[jjh927]

Oh right, you did mean that then. So you think that argument had merit?

[ina marija]

Oh right, you did mean that then. So you think that argument had merit?

no but i do not think whemestar was presenting it as if it did

like whemestar noted it and it felt like throw away thing to me

if whemestar later brought it up and was like, 'oh also this!' while presenting a scumread it would have been !!! to me

but whemestar only brought up again/dug in on whatever because you brought it up and that's much harder to weigh

[Sail]

What do you guys think is more likely, knowing Osuka’s character and playstyle?

Taking a look at a few of osuka's previous games I definitely think that's an osuka!scum thing to do.

you can't read me

It's not that I think it's in your scum meta to do something like that, but based on your personality I could imagine scum!you doing that more than town!you.

[ina marija]

What do you guys think is more likely, knowing Osuka’s character and playstyle?

Taking a look at a few of osuka's previous games I definitely think that's an osuka!scum thing to do.

you can't read me

It's not that I think it's in your scum meta to do something like that, but based on your personality I could imagine scum!you doing that more than town!you.

did you ever answer guiltylion question about which osuka games you looked at and what specifically you took from them

[Sail]

What do you guys think is more likely, knowing Osuka’s character and playstyle?

Taking a look at a few of osuka's previous games I definitely think that's an osuka!scum thing to do.

you can't read me

It's not that I think it's in your scum meta to do something like that, but based on your personality I could imagine scum!you doing that more than town!you.

did you ever answer guiltylion question about which osuka games you looked at and what specifically you took from them

No, I just saw that osuka replied to me in a notification and I clicked on it, responded, and now I'm reading.

[Sail]

What do you guys think is more likely, knowing Osuka’s character and playstyle?

Taking a look at a few of osuka's previous games I definitely think that's an osuka!scum thing to do.

which games did you look at?

Divide and Conquer, Fire and More Fire, (towngames) and a random large normal from 2 years ago (scumgames)

I didn't intent to obtain a metaread, I was more trying to get a general feel for his personality.

[Sail]

Or for another example - in regard to osuka, they've positioned a few times with reasons to suspect him (700, 1117) but there's no vote accompanying either of these callouts. I would normally want/expect town to vote osuka there

In 700 I was voting Norwee, in 1117 I was catching up and I usually don't like to vote while I'm in the process of catching up.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Caveat, I have not yet read the surrounding conversation and I'm sure it will make sense later, but my first impression is that jjh putting Ari at the top of his town readslist is particularly edgy and doesn't seem that town-motivated.

[jjh927]

Edgy how?

[jjh927]

As a general rule, it is better to ask about things you don't get rather than just pointing it out and saying you don't understand as though your lack of understanding makes it scum indicative.


If it helps in this particular case, the first thing that got me with Ari was when she said I was like the lead character of a bad detective novel. That is basically exactly what I was doing and what I generally do when I am pushing someone like that on day 1. I felt very called out. Channeling that kind of persona ups the pressure because of how unreasonable it is. I don't think that scum!Ari, observing a player behaving as such, decides to add more fuel to the fire with a line like that, given the likely reaction. Reality is that I respected it a lot. I suppose the comment was possibly inspired by my avatar, but at any rate it was around that point in time that to me, Ari's town thought process was transparently visible