Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Theta Alpine]

you know what

i will paraphrase the amway info i got when i get back to a computer

[ofrhz]

What's the VC? I'll vote either cook or yimmy

[ofrhz]

Spoiler: Amway summary

Aureal's Amway role:

1. Use a sales pitch to create a hood. Up to two neighborhoods a day can be created. (1623, 2303)
Specifically, the process to open a hood is:

• quote someone to target them
  
• write a sales pitch phrase in the post
  
• if they respond, a hood is created. (1881)

**note: the sales pitch does not have to be in the game thread. So scum can give each other Amway amongst themselves** (2519, 2524)

2. In the hood, the recruiter can bring the hooded person into the MLM and the recruitee would get a copy of all Amway abilities, including ability to hood and recruit people (Aureal - 1564)

3. Once recruited into Amway, original night actions can't be used unless you leave Amway, which costs the leaver's vote the next day. Day actions, passive attributes, and roles are otherwise retained. (1623)

4. People in Amway can continue to recruit after Aureal is dead, and dead Amway still count towards number of recruits (2382)

5. xyzzy will answer whether there's enough recruits to perform an action. The # of recruits is determined at the start of night (2535)

Abilities unlocked:

(an ability can be used once a night - Aureal 2872)

Recruit 1 to send a message
3 to neighborhood
6 to roleblock and open a neighborhood and autorecruit (same target)
10 to vig and recruit -

is this the same target

?

* Neighborhood creation/recruitment should fail if targeting another Amway (2838, 2845). This could be used to detect unknown Amway if scum secretly Amway themselves .

List of hoods and recruits:

1. Aureal hooded Anix (per 1564), who hasn't accepted recruitment
2. Aureal hooded KatyKimFanClub, who accepted recruitment (2230, rationale is in 2219)
3. KatyKimFanClub hooded Theta Alpine, who accepted recruitment (2261, 2316)
4. KatyKimFanClub hooded Ircher, who hasn't accepted recruitment (2279, 2835, 2925)
5. Theta Alpine tried to hood Skygazer, who accepted recruitment (2360, 2938)
6. Theta Alpine hooded Bingle, who accepted recruitment into Amway (but recruitment should fail due to Bingle's role) (2359, 2364)
7. Bingle pitched to DragonEater70 to demonstrate that he can't hood others (2538? or maybe 2536?)
8. Skygazer will recruit Ircher
9. Ircher will recruit Save the Dragons

* some of the linked posts should have recruitment phrases

Special interactions:

Bingle - can't recruit anyone else to Amway, can be neighborized, can accept recruitment to Amway but probably doesn't count as a recruit in terms of total recruit numbers (Aureal - 1564)
Theta Alpine - with the desperate modifier, she can use neighborhood ability like a cop check

This is aureals role

[Cook]

What's the VC? I'll vote either cook or yimmy

its mostly wagon on me right now

[ofrhz]

Several people moved off to vote yimmy

Anyway let's yeet yimmy. We should have two copchecks if yimmy is scum. One person checks bingle bc he claimed bp, and the other should check aureal bc y'know kind of a hot topic

[Yimmy]

we decided that theta's desperate modifier still affects amway actions?
sorry i am super lost in the weeds of mech. this is horrible

[ofrhz]

It affects Amway night actions, not the recruitment actions

[Yimmy]

ok i believe you

[Theta Alpine]

okay yeah when i get back to computer has been complicated by car battery dying so uh yeah

[Theta Alpine]

the vig and recruit action are on the same target yes
but otherwise ofrhz has an accurate summary it looks like

[DkKoba]

fine. i will consolidate on yimmy as it helps my worldview too as its in my "must be scum" pile and anyone flipping town in there at least prompts me to read more slots closer

VOTE: yimmy

[Meuh]

Sure VOTE: Yimmy E-something

[Yimmy]

in an act of blatant self-preservation i will post some of my catch-up notes before i have even finished catching up

[Yimmy]

DragonEater70
2946 hard to see scum making this post
3077 yeah this is way sincere
3087 townpost
3096 is hard to parse (in a towny way)
DkKoba
2955 banger post
2990 banger again
3015 what? townpost though kinda
3161 want to call this town, but probably just banger
3219 would be weird if the post was just defending cook but actually there's an ircher push hiding inside of it which makes it make a lot more sense (like he's not just defending some guy)
3222 yeah dkkoba is looking good
AniX
3063 really want to know what's going on here (he's explained de. no lim is still weird)
3196 seems like a lame way to plant themself on a vanity wagon. i think there's a case on aureal at least (he also kinda changes his argument once the cases are spelled out for him)
3201 i think i can understand his dislike for cook and klick wagons but the dragon case is still bad
3217 is kinda bad
p130 i don't like anix basically refusing to scumhunt but i can believe it (it's for a different reason than 3196 though. maybe i can't believe it)
Skygazer
2983 why does that matter?
3103 town?
Bingle
2931 icky. might just not like his style
2979 maybe agree with aureal that bingle is being a little obtuse
2985 yeah (do't remember why i made this note. just didn't like the post i guess)
Aureal
3009 bad post
3026 absolutely bonkers of aureal to point to a post that's exclusively mech when pushed about having no reads. like only having mech-based reads is textbook scumplay
doesn't read sincere either (not sure why it'd be insincere. whatever)
3181 okay i've decided this frustration isn't sincere
Cook
3089 i like this post for some reason
camelCasedSnivy
3152 don't like this post
3162 why pacifizer snivy?
3165 this feels fearmongery and not real
KatyKimFanClub
3108 town?
p126 not sure scum responds like this to a rando scumread. doesn't feel natural either way
3204 "unique is an indicator of fake" ????
3205 is coherent but i don't agree

i don't want to compile anything into, like, a readslist until i've at least finished the 20 pages i committed to.
2809 is why i am being pushed? i think it is lame mostly

[Meuh]

I think most people have their own reasoning, my case on you has had a lot more negative than positive attention

[camelCasedSnivy]

3165 this feels fearmongery and not real

im theorizing and either way we need to get rid of aureal so not a good point

[Yimmy]

mod notes: prodding KatyKimFanClub. replacing Klick — once a replacement is found, I will offer the replacement up to extend the current phase by up to 72 hours if it's a phase with a deadline. (in other words, if a replacement is found in the next 33 hours, day 1 could be extended, and if not, night 1 could be extended.)

lol we're going to have a week long night to wait for someone to replace into a doomed slot

We could just wagon Klick? I'm for it

ok now that you guys didn't have to wait a week for someone to replace into a "doomed slot (even though there was another lost at e-1)" can we stop going for the apathy lim. this is crazy

anyway really lost my tempo after the last post. just a few more notes
DragonEater70
3267 is good again
Ranger
2761 when did the implosion group become guaranteed?
DkKoba
3363 good post ugh
KatyKimFanClub
3252 this feels like a different thing than 3247 in, like, an actively misleading way

2685 this is actually more coherent than meuh's case. still don't like it obviously
p111 bonkers that my wagon is in the same league as cooks or aureals. there's a case on aureal and ranger spends half the page explaining (pretty coherently) that cook isn't an apathy elimination. no way town decided jumping on the apathy wagon was the right move
i do not know how i ended up on p111. i got lost i guess

snivy's response is bad but probably isn't worth worrying about without a flip

idk meuh. people (mostly anix) asked for the klick/rn case, like, a dozen times and yours was the only one that popped up in the last 20 pages. like i found ofhrz's case and that's it.

anyway i do not feel like compiling my reads at all cause i've already been reading for like 3 hours. you will just have to guess. i feel like i should have an opinion on cook, but i don't right now. i will think about it more tomorrow

VOTE: aureal

[Meuh]

idk meuh. people (mostly anix) asked for the klick/rn case, like, a dozen times and yours was the only one that popped up in the last 20 pages. like i found ofhrz's case and that's it.

I think that's more because no one's making cases than because my case was particularly compelling (the main case against Cook I see pop up is one that was made before I even replaced in)
VOTE: Aureal if this happens I would be happy

[Ircher]

meuh do you think its natural how aureal outed that supposedly you wouldn't inherit recruits? like it felt like a false assertation at best and TMI of you being town and that you wouldnt inherit the roles and an agenda to keep themselves alive to do what they want with the role, which i pray doesnt autowin the game at this point for scum.

This is quite the stretch. I agree with ofrhz below.

Also it is extremely disingenuous that aureal is trying to claim role inheriting will remove all recruits, how are you sure of that? Sounds like fearmongering to survive as hard as possible.

You misread it. Meuh won't have any power but people like theta will keep their recruits

[Ircher]

You should unvote.

UNVOTE:
Fine, I'll let people take responsibility for their own miselimination vote. But it should not have ever come to this point.

I cannot herd 12 other townies to victory when they are determined to not pay attention.

Like, right now we've got Koba sitting here acting like Meuh will get great power by inheriting my role. This is an obviously untrue position to take as Meuh will have zero recruits and thus zero power, but everyone just sits here in THIS IS FINE mode. Like they have been the entire game while Bingle and Koba constantly spin everything I do as scum, ignoring every rebuttal I make, and just pivoting back to make whichever argument works best for them at the moment as if none of the previous arguments ever happened. And you guys, especially DE, just eat it all up.

Seriously, the guy went "Aureal's question makes a good point and OH MY GOD SHE ACTUALLY THINKS KOBA SHOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION INSTEAD OF JUST ATTACKING HER?!? SCUM!!!!!" It's fucking insane. If DE is actually town here, Koba has him deeply pocketed- saying that DE is "one of the few people who are game state aware" is so ridiculous I'm not sure whether it's scum trying to boost a partner's credibility or scum giving a headpat to the townie who's so deep in their pocket that he's become an attack dog for them.

But sure, let's just go on NOT THINKING about why Koba suddenly decided, appropos of nothing, to start shitpushing me again, when there are so many others doing so much less. Was it the deadline imposition forcing them to take a miselimination back up now rather than risk the wagon on a buddy going through? Was it Bingle telling DE that I would be a good investigation target, risking my slot getting cleared when they want it dead and thought town would do it for them? Who knows? Not this town, because we're not gonna think about it! Not even after you flip me town and know that Koba arbitrarily decided to come up with something to get pissy about to start pushing a townie's wagon while Cook was the lead wagon, are you gonna think about it.

I don't have to look at this game again this phase so I'm just gonnaVOTE: Cook like I promised so long ago, and leave the rest of you to fuck things up however much you feel like. Maybe I'll actually be able to just stop looking at this trainwreck, hoping against hope that this time when I see new posts, it will be from people who actually seem to reside in the same reality as me, instead of people screaming at me for trying to say anything useful.

But probably I won't.

Tldr : melding over being held accountable for focusing on their role doing things rather than playing mafia

Honestly, it rang as more authentic than Cook's reaction to her wagon earlier.

[Ircher]

There are less than 36 hours left, if you wanted Cook as a vote, you had a month to do it

cook has been
a pretty constant wagon throughout the day
and is i think the only other viable option for an elimination besides aureal

in fact cook has gotten up to e-2 i think as well

Yes, and this is a good sign that it's probably one on scum. I'll give that Aureal's also been a pretty consistent wagon throughout the day too though.

[DkKoba]

oh no. yimmy is plausibly town...

VOTE: aureal

anyways

[DragonEater70]

can someone point me to the massclaim pretty please? i feel like understanding aureal's claim and meuh's claim is important right now

viewtopic.php?p=13888939#p13888939 is a summary made but ofrhz of Aureal's claim

Meuh claimed eternal universal backup (they switch roles every time someone dies, not just the first time)

[DragonEater70]

made by ofrhz*

[DragonEater70]

Spoiler: Amway summary

Aureal's Amway role:

1. Use a sales pitch to create a hood. Up to two neighborhoods a day can be created. (1623, 2303)
Specifically, the process to open a hood is:

• quote someone to target them
  
• write a sales pitch phrase in the post
  
• if they respond, a hood is created. (1881)

**note: the sales pitch does not have to be in the game thread. So scum can give each other Amway amongst themselves** (2519, 2524)

2. In the hood, the recruiter can bring the hooded person into the MLM and the recruitee would get a copy of all Amway abilities, including ability to hood and recruit people (Aureal - 1564)

3. Once recruited into Amway, original night actions can't be used unless you leave Amway, which costs the leaver's vote the next day. Day actions, passive attributes, and roles are otherwise retained. (1623)

4. People in Amway can continue to recruit after Aureal is dead, and dead Amway still count towards number of recruits (2382)

5. xyzzy will answer whether there's enough recruits to perform an action. The # of recruits is determined at the start of night (2535)

Abilities unlocked:

(an ability can be used once a night - Aureal 2872)

Recruit 1 to send a message
3 to neighborhood
6 to roleblock and open a neighborhood and autorecruit (same target)
10 to vig and recruit -

is this the same target

?

* Neighborhood creation/recruitment should fail if targeting another Amway (2838, 2845). This could be used to detect unknown Amway if scum secretly Amway themselves .

List of hoods and recruits:

1. Aureal hooded Anix (per 1564), who hasn't accepted recruitment
2. Aureal hooded KatyKimFanClub, who accepted recruitment (2230, rationale is in 2219)
3. KatyKimFanClub hooded Theta Alpine, who accepted recruitment (2261, 2316)
4. KatyKimFanClub hooded Ircher, who hasn't accepted recruitment (2279, 2835, 2925)
5. Theta Alpine tried to hood Skygazer, who accepted recruitment (2360, 2938)
6. Theta Alpine hooded Bingle, who accepted recruitment into Amway (but recruitment should fail due to Bingle's role) (2359, 2364)
7. Bingle pitched to DragonEater70 to demonstrate that he can't hood others (2538? or maybe 2536?)
8. Skygazer will recruit Ircher
9. Ircher will recruit Save the Dragons

* some of the linked posts should have recruitment phrases

Special interactions:

Bingle - can't recruit anyone else to Amway, can be neighborized, can accept recruitment to Amway but probably doesn't count as a recruit in terms of total recruit numbers (Aureal - 1564)
Theta Alpine - with the desperate modifier, she can use neighborhood ability like a cop check

This is aureals role

that's what happens when I don't read the most recent page