Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Vegetable Chat

[Aristeia]

hello elements

[Aristeia]

if you want to do something really crazy we could crumb that we're seeking masons and find each other as a lemon/lime combo

[Aristeia]

it would be somewhat funny if it worked

[Aristeia]

I don't know if you like Dune but it is one of my favorite movies

[Aristeia]

I don't know if you like Dune but it is one of my favorite movies

Have you read the book?

not yet I am waiting for the second movie to come out :3

[Aristeia]

what are seeking Masons?
don't know who each other are at the start but get confirmed if they find each other?

yea they know the existence of the other mason but not the identity and if at night they each target each other they become full masons

i am not sure if it will fit into the game power wise

[Aristeia]

I will have to read it then

[Aristeia]

awww I will miss you <3

[Aristeia]

hello dragoneater!

[Aristeia]

Halo!

I will read the main thread later, but did we crumb anything lemon/lime related yet?

not really feel free to have fun with dragonfruit :}

[Aristeia]

Okay so if it's fine with you I would actually like to tey playing with no dostancong and mutually townreading each other and probably Skitter and make a towncore.
This is probably very risky and dumb, but I think bussing is overrated and in almost any game I've played or read I saw people scumreading others for "distancing", so I would like to avoid that kind of behavior. Also it woud be really fun to have a towncore that's made of scum

So what do you think?

Quoting for a ping

mmm ok we can try that but I think it would be more interesting for me to get bussed here and you can go long and win :>

[Aristeia]

your role is significantly stronger than mine and the player list knows me probably better than they know you

[Aristeia]

ok I believe in you

[Aristeia]

sorry I was busy at work

I think I could come up with a reason but I'm not confident it would be useful

[Aristeia]

You do? Because I have no clue what I am doing (I just lost 3 scum games in a row)

so you're due to win one

believing in yourself is important

I think you're doing great so far

[Aristeia]

mmm I'm not sure how to dig you out of this hole but let's see how it plays out don't lose hope yet

[Aristeia]

hope you feel better soon DragonEater!

some tips for when you get back;

one thing you can do to get in a "townie" mood is open up some of your older townie games and try to emulate that kind of behavior such as;

viewtopic.php?p=13674127&f=50&t=90539&u ... #p13674127

viewtopic.php?p=13644522&f=50&t=90446&u ... #p13644522

You have a pretty casual whimsical style to your posting which is pleasant to read and could work here. Don't be so self conscious of your own alignment and just interact with the thread as if you were town trying to solve the puzzle with the rest of them.

some key things to keep in mind:

- they don't know anything, don't be alarmed if pushed or if they're right - everyone's just guessing nobody has all the answers for sure
- it's just a silly party game - even if you get eliminated it's not a big deal - having fun is important
- you don't need to convince people you're right - just show your thought process and hope for the best

[Aristeia]

uh I don't think anyone townreads me ? I think it might even make sense for you to bus vote me here if you feel his reasoning is compelling.

its up to you though

[Aristeia]

I like your catchup though! you are doing a great job

[Aristeia]

I guess voting off lich is the easiest way? I don't think Lich will change their mind on me being scummy.

[Aristeia]

I think you should do the kill because you're a strongman and we might as well use that ability

[Aristeia]

@Cakes is it multi-tasking?

[Aristeia]

any idea who could be a power role?

[Aristeia]

Okay apparently I am screwed because town decided I faked something which I did not in fact fake.

thats funny

also its just a game dont stress too much

[Aristeia]

You managed to pocket me big time.

aww thanks you're so sweet

[Aristeia]

I think we should kill Atsi and investigate Infinity.

how about we kill infinity and investigate atsi?

[Aristeia]

we could also kill Datisi maybe? i dunno

he seems like he wants to kill you

[Aristeia]

1. I still thing you can pocket him which would be good
2. I feel atsi is more unpredictable, and we kinda want to remove the unpredictable elements from the game, right? I dunno if it makes sense.
3. Wouldn't killing Datisi trace back to me easily?
4. Atsi also wants me dead and IMO is probably a P

1. I don't think he thinks im that townie
2, atsi is less likely to be townread correctly than datisi and can possibly be miseliminated later
3, sure but you're kind of on the hot seat already and it eliminates a player who definitely will be pushing you
4. i dunno about if atsi is a pr?

[Aristeia]

i feel like atsi is one of those slots that is p hard for town to read correctly

[Aristeia]

I don't really know tbh? I think theres a good chance you get pushed out on d2 because of the hammer but its kind of dicey?

[Aristeia]

maybe we just kill infinity here and leave datisi alive to push you so he might think why would scum leave me alive?

[Aristeia]

im like really bad at playing the mafia alignment because i dont have a lot of experience with it.

[Aristeia]

I kind of get the feeling that infinity is the glue that holds this town together and we should kill them asap instead of letting them continue to control the thread movement

[Aristeia]

gonna put this in for now:

dragoneater kills infinity

aristeia investigates datisi

[Aristeia]

Also Marci sounds extremely pocketable from her posting, what do you think?

uh I dunno

[Aristeia]

she can stop paying attention at times but she has good instincts

[Aristeia]

Another question:

Is it fine with you if I make a semi-serious push on you at the beginning, that will look strong enough so that it's not thought of as "obvious distancing", before I start pushing someone else?

I really need to have a good push tomorrow for towncred, that's why I'm asking. And I feel like there's no chance I will atick with my initial push to the end of day, ao the initial one might as well be you.

you can do anything you want to

it is a game and I am fine with it

[Aristeia]

ok

aristeia investigates atsi

[Aristeia]

atsi is a vanilla townie

[Aristeia]

pineapple

[Aristeia]

maybe you should be suspicious of datisi pushing you and vote him because he also wanted Temporal lich dead and now he's trying to pin it on you?

also like temporal lich claimed already and it was like one day to deadline so it wasn't even a lolhammer

[Aristeia]

if you don't have a good answer for the question you can just say something like "because I didn't want the day to end at all!" or whatever

[Aristeia]

i did ask you in 612 why you had the negative reaction

[Aristeia]

also its p weird to ask ausuka to engage and then say good night to her

I guess you should at least respond in some way?

[Aristeia]

even if it's a promise to like give it a think and touch base later its better than just flat ignoring it i think?

[Aristeia]

"-You have notoriously slippery and treacherous banana peels at your disposal. Twice in the game, you may visit another player and leave a banana peel by them at night. The peel is triggered by any visit, disappears after the night it is triggered, and causes the actions of all visitors of that player that night to fail. You may only drop one banana peel per night."

does this last forever? like if infinity gave someone a banana peel, do they have that banana peel forever until it gets triggered by a night action?

[Aristeia]

@cakez

3 questions about infinity's banana peel:

(1) if infinity gives datisi a banana peel, does it stay until it is triggered by a night action and removed?
(2) are banana peels active on the night they are placed?
(3) if I target a banana peeled player with my rolecop and a different player with the mafia nightkill, do both actions get blocked or just the rolecop ability?

[Aristeia]

uh ok

[Aristeia]

rolecop is kind of a scum claim

i think we can elim skitter if marci votes there and datisi doesnt change his mind

[Aristeia]

nope

[Aristeia]

i dunno

I think its best to just post anything you want to post and just hope it works out

even if you make a mistake its better to change your mind later than like not post

[Aristeia]

Ok nevermind dragon is probably just town lmao

UNVOTE:

I'm so towny I just made a aperson who was never voting me to unvote me anyway.

Ohh we so got this game in the bag

let's not jinx it :>

[Aristeia]

the thing with atsi is that they're always voting you at f5 and it would look weird af if we like nightkill him

[Aristeia]

i think claiming a PR atp is very bad

[Aristeia]

It's pretty bold and also probably anti-wincon for scum which is why I would get hella townread for doing it out the gate.

but you're already townread

and if Datisi is a PR you basically are dead

[Aristeia]

like the most number of PRs that can fit into a micro is 2

so if you claim cop with an inno on datisi and datisi is a PR that will mean you are guranteed to be mafia

also it doesnt really help?

like if we wake up with 5 alive and you claim cop with innos on 2 of us, then if you're actually a cop the scum team would have to be the other 2 people alive who will instantly know you are lying

[Aristeia]

like if we wake up with 5 alive

and you claim to be cop with inno on me and datisi

then by definition since there's 2 scum alive, it would have to be the two people you didnt investigate

so both of them will know you are mafia since they know they aren't mafia - which leads to 2 votes on you

and like thats not good? you dont have to be in the cross fire at all

[Aristeia]

like you're doing fine as you are right now and being townread just for putting your thoughts down because in terms of relative positioning you are doing a lot more than the people who aren't playing - there's no need to do any fancy or flashy gambits because there's not a lot of upside and plenty of downside

[Aristeia]

well I know it's there because you told me but I don't think anyone will notice and if they did notice they probably won't bring it up

[Aristeia]

you're doing a great job so far

[Aristeia]

you dont have to say anything tbh

people are kind of set up in a way that they townread you and scumread each other

you just have to be kind of undecided and let them try to convince you that they're town

[Aristeia]

You too. But seriously if we want to lim Skitter you are going to have to convince me in the gamethread that they are scummy. This will also look very good later since normally scum don't interact with each other so much, and I feel like I would be convinced by your arguments.

I think atsi is probably the better lim today because i don't think they ever change their mind on you and maybe we could get skitter/datisi to cross vote at f5

[Aristeia]

though if we both live to f5 it might be kind of miserable

[Aristeia]

like we would have to fake a lot of dissatisfaction with the game state >.>

[Aristeia]

Ideally I would like to decide on a final lim by Sunday evening / Monday morning latest, and start steering the thread in that direction. Since rn it's a bit dispersed without any solid wagons.

i think its fine to stall. time is on our side we dont need to force it any direction

[Aristeia]

me neither tbh I'm kind of just guessing what will happen

[Aristeia]

uh probably not ?

[Aristeia]

Dang I think my last few posts really suck idk why I made them. Now I'm going to be sr'd
But I think I can realistically post an ISO on SKitter and start pushing her. Will you join the push?

i dont think you need to push skitter tbh

[Aristeia]

also your last posts are fine dw

[Aristeia]

how would that role work in conjunction with a protective like infinity?

would it kill the attacker and still stay alive?

[Aristeia]

i don't think we need to fake claim a vig tbh

[Aristeia]

also I don't think there's ever been a vig in a 9p

[Aristeia]

I don't think we need to do any crazy plays tbh

[Aristeia]

How screwed are you by Marci's post?

i dont think much at all

[Aristeia]

Oh damn I'm reading now and apparently Ausuka thinks scum is in atsi, Skitter, Datisi

That's really good for us

i guess it is

[Aristeia]

also I don't think there's ever been a vig in a 9p

I don't know if there's ever been a bomb though

IDK do you think we just like claim vanilla in F5?

i think its fine to claim vanilla dragonfruit in f5 if you need to

[Aristeia]

that self hammer is wild

[Aristeia]

i think the easiest endgame to win is to shoot datisi and frame skitter

but if we shoot marci it would be more entertaining because both datisi and skitter will be alive tomm

[Aristeia]

Yeah I thought we shoot marci here and investigate Datisi

Then tomorrow you say you think it's skitter/datisi or skitter/ausuka, Ausuka will probably say it's skitter/datisi, I will say I think it's you/skitter and datisi will probably still vote skitter. It's like, super easy.

skitter ausuka and datisi are all pretty good at finding each other as town so it won't be like an easy endgame by any means

[Aristeia]

And do you think the Miller claim is legit? Because I really don't think anyone right now is behaving like a cop

pretty sure its real

no idea if there is a cop in the game

[Aristeia]

They are all paranoid about each other though

thats true

i think killing marci is more fun because ausuka-datisi-skitter endgame is like fun to play but i think its lower EV in terms of likelihood to win

mmm what do you think? more fun endgame or more likely to win endgame?

[Aristeia]

I think we go for fun because tbh I would have zero idea how to play an endgame with Marci

I mean I guess that works

[Aristeia]

I think the datisi kill is like 100% better for winrate but I love him so much I just can't do it

[Aristeia]

killing marci when she's not even playing is such a flex kill

[Aristeia]

Aristeia rolecops Datisi

DE70 Strongman kills Marci

Is this okay?

good with me ^^

[Aristeia]

killing marci when she's not even playing is such a flex kill

The thing is I am like 90% sure that her not playing is exactly why she just lolvotes us in f5 and then Skitter probably prefers her to us

But actually nvm I think skitter said Marci is scummy and it's true that killing Datisi leaves the town in a really disunited state

Do you want to kill Datisi?

I am conflicted.

i think he would want to be killed so he doesnt have to play anymore but i will miss him and i dont want to let him go.

and i have always wanted to play elo with him tbh.

[Aristeia]

i think if we kill Datisi it frames skitter because he wanted to yeet Skitter yesterday and he also thought Skitter + Ausuka was a scum team

also skitter thinks marci is mafia and thinks its weird there's no pressure going there and instead it all went towards Atsi.


BUT

it would be really funny to see Datisi play elo I love him

[Aristeia]

maybe we kill Ausuka? that might be a play since Ausuka thought it was datisi + skitter + atsi

then leaves skitter - marci tension still alive in the game

[Aristeia]

i think nokill is not a great idea tbh

i think theres probably a town investigative role because we have a strongman and they have a protective and its to prevent the cop from claiming.

i dont think the cop is marci because she suggested mass claiming fruits

i dont think its ausuka because shes a miller

between datisi and skitter i think datisi is more likely to be a cop and maybe we just shoot him ?

i dunno tbh

[Aristeia]

i kind of think maybe Datisi investigated infinity night 1

[Aristeia]

maybe look through datisi's iso for crumbs? i dunno

[Aristeia]

I'm gonna just put these in as a placeholder lemme know if it's ok

DE70 strongman kills Datisi

Aristeia rolecops Marcistar

[Aristeia]

actually how about

DE70 strongman kills Datisi
Aristeia rolecops Skitter

this way we will know if skitter can be nightkilled I guess

[Aristeia]

ok if that's what you want

DE70 strongman kills Marcistar
Aristeia rolecops Datisi

[Aristeia]

I don't think this will be easier to win but I don't have the heart to kill Datisi :<

[Aristeia]

I also don't think it will be easier to win from a logical standpoint, I just think we will both feel less miserable.

And I don't think we can win when miserable.

winning is overrated

[Aristeia]

Though tbh do you think we could just channel our miserableness into looking towny?

I think just try to match the thread vibe

don't be like too down?

[Aristeia]

ok ok

[Aristeia]

if Datisi is a cop and gets an inno on skitter that means we need to convince him Ausuka is mafia because he will know that 2 out of me/you/ausuka are mafia.

so if Ausuka convinces him that she is town we will lose.

[Aristeia]

ok thats fine ig

[Aristeia]

@Cakez can you give me the flavor for a orange to be a cop please?

ty

[Aristeia]

datisi is a vanilla raspberry

[Aristeia]

hmm ok I guess if Datisi is VT and Ausuka is a miller that makes skitter the cop?

I can claim cop with a guilty on skitter n2 and an innocent on Infinity n1

or

you could claim cop with an innocent on Datisi n1 and an innocent on Marcistar n2? [I don't know who you would investigate n2]

or we could just not claim and let skitter be an uncontested cop claim if she is a cop.

what do you think?

[Aristeia]

Welcome to Fruit Mafia Aristeia!

You are an Orange Cop

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to eliminate.
-Oranges are one of the most popular fruits in the world, sold everywhere and loved by many. As a sentient Orange Cop, you have access to vast pools of knowledge from fellow Oranges around the world. Each night, you may roll over to another player and investigate them. You will receive a result of Fruit or Vegetable.

You win once all threats to the

Town

have been eliminated.
The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?t=91408

ty SirCakez

[Aristeia]

currently 4/5 of my role reads were correct (I predicted Tl, Datisi, and Marci being VTs and Infinity being PR, but I was wrong on Atsi being PR)

hmm ok I guess if Datisi is VT and Ausuka is a miller that makes skitter the cop?

I can claim cop with a guilty on skitter n2 and an innocent on Infinity n1

or

you could claim cop with an innocent on Datisi n1 and an innocent on Marcistar n2? [I don't know who you would investigate n2]

or we could just not claim and let skitter be an uncontested cop claim if she is a cop.

what do you think?

need to know b4 I post in thread

[Aristeia]

well we didnt get a chance to jump the gun and guilty skitter b4 she claimed but she doesnt have any useful results and she suspects me/datisi so I guess there's no need to CC her unless you really want to 1v1 her

[Aristeia]

looking at your progression maybe you would investigate me ?

so i guess if you want to do a fakeclaim you can guilty me n2 to go along with a datisi inno from night one.

up to you how you want to play it I guess? tho like datisi was moderating your marathon secret hitler game while the night action pms got sent out so he might think its weird you just ignored this game. or he might just not notice i dunno.

[Aristeia]

well its too late now so i guess you just hope she doesnt figure out datisi is town

[Aristeia]

i doubt she will ever think ausuka is mafia because miller claim and cop lol

[Aristeia]

i guess you just have to be townier than datisi

[Aristeia]

well theres no point to regret whats already done

just play the game as it is now

[Aristeia]

i believe in you

remember its not about being townier than him in a vaccuum

you just have to be way townier than you usually are as scum to be "out of your scum range"

whereas Datisi is a very good scum player so he can't actually get out of his scum range because his scum range is nearly infinite.

[Aristeia]

that is pretty funny

[Aristeia]

I have an idea

Could you quote Skitter post where she think it's me/Datisi, say "oh okay I guess" (but with your personality thing), and then vote Datisi?

If you do that then Skitter might vote Datisi then I can hammer

Of course this might backfire, but I think it's a better option than having Skitter decide to vote me all of a sudden.

this would be extremely shady and kind of obvious imo

skitter will make her own decision on her own time and i doubt I can pressure her into making something we want.

[Aristeia]

@mod are we allowed to use discord to coordinate a quickhammer when the need arises?

my discord is aristeia.

you can add me if you would like to coordinate

[Aristeia]

Datisi and Skitter are gonna LOVE reading this PT in the postgame.

hehe