Newbie 694 (over)

[ClockworkRuse]

Heres a post of everything I find odd...(or just plain out of the ordinary)

I love random voting!

Now, im wondering a few things from this... the town needs to vote using alot of LOGIC... but, the Mafia dont. Their little amounts of logic goes to making them look like Townies, as ClockworkRuse said in Post 82. They know who is Mafia and who ISNT, thus, they dont need to use alot of logic AT ALL. (Unless they are aiming to take down power roles, then they still need very little logic)
The Random voting stage isnt great to be in (its a start for the game, but the longer it is, the WORSE) And the fact that he likes the random voting stage... possibly that he could keep his possible IDENTITY away from us?

Anyway, i've got my top 2 suspects, and i'm ready to lynch.

That also stood out to me... it seemed Xtoxm had suspects, but didnt vote them, waiting to possibly SWITCH onto someone else... (for some reason, I find this a little scummy)

I believe I explained my reasons for finding them suspicous well.

People often moan at me for not giving copius amounts of content in my posts. I don't feel there's anything more to say

Then, why didnt you just post them in a post to refresh us about it and give us your opinions? Afraid to bring it back up? I see that you DID point out when you saw scumtell, but still, why not bring it back up with more opinions?


So far, thats what I have... If I find anything else, ill post it...
But still, not ready to vote yet...

The Random Voting is a null-tell. It was said in the random voting stage and really anything in the RVS is pretty much null-tell.

My meta on Xtomx shows that he does that a bit, but I can't say if it is because he's scum or not.

[Elennaro]

I'm really sorry guys, but my exams are coming and work is increasing. I can't devote enough attention to the game now, and I won't be able to do so for the next six weeks. That's way too long to be away, so I've decided to ask for a replacement. I hope you're not too mad at me.

[Xtoxm]

No worries

All of us get busy sometimes. I'm fairly busy atm, too. I'll have more time when term ends.

[hasdgfas]

I'm really sorry guys, but my exams are coming and work is increasing. I can't devote enough attention to the game now, and I won't be able to do so for the next six weeks. That's way too long to be away, so I've decided to ask for a replacement. I hope you're not too mad at me.

doing a replacement search now. Good luck with your exams.

[Westbrook_Owns_U]

I'll have more time when term ends.

When does it end? If it's in a while why do you join games jsut to be inactive? Don't you have at least a little analysis to post?

[Xtoxm]

I've contibuted plenty. It's only in the last week or two that the game is starting to actually get away from me, but even then I don't think by much.

[GIEFF]

@ Westbrook:

I meant "catch up" not as in reading the thread, but as in posting as much analysis and reasoning as the rest of us have. It is helpful for two reasons; it helps finding scum due to the analysis itself, and it presents more "data" for the rest of us to analyze later.


@ Xtoxm:

I've contributed plenty.

To test this claim, I took the liberty of tracking all your posts that were about scumhunting in this game (not about meta-game or general strategy). My words are in italics, added for context. Please let me know if there is something I've missed.

Post 88:

Asking someone else to create discussion strikes me as silly. I'm not sure if it's scummy.

I will Vote Militant.

I think that last post sounds kind of like he's forcing himself to say something.

Post 91:

Well, i'm not sure about the validity of your second point

(that militant may be new)

, but it is discounted anyway by the fact Militant has already played in several games, and is ranked goon.

Post 120:

Inf's recent posts strike me as odd, even coming from someone not used to the pace of games here.

Post 129:

Inf, what do you think Mafia is about, and why did you sign up for this game? - This is a genuine question

Post 160:

Bad philosphy.

(Elennaro unvoting RealityFan due to getting replace by militant)

. If a previous owner of a role has earnt a vote, getting replaced should not redeem the role.

Post 220:

Mmk skimmed through most stuff, not that long, was worried it would be!

On the cop with guilty - I was refering to this game only. Sometimes in larger games he might want to hold onto it.

We do not know, however if a cop has a guilty he certainly wants to get it out there right away. Then other peoples decide...

About Militant - Yes, I did find it a bit forced

(his response to CR's random vote)

, although it was for the most part just trying to start things off. I have been unimpressed with Inf since I brought him up, hence shall change.

Unvote Vote Inf

Post 238:

Oooh, I take that as a scumtell. Why did you not want to "jump straight in with a vote"?

(referring to _over saying he didn't want to vote CR before reading the entire thread)

Post 260:

I'm not sus of Ham.

Anyway, i've got my top 2 suspects, and i'm ready to lynch.

Post 263:

I believe I explained my reasons for finding them suspicous well.

(referring to militant/_over and infamous)

People often moan at me for not giving copius amounts of content in my posts. I don't feel there's anything more to say.

Post 270:

I have 2 suspects currently, Inf and Over. This implies I think the rest of town are town, and although I have an order of suspicion it is not beneficial to state it.

Post 273:

Inf's recent posts strike me as odd, even coming from someone not used to the pace of games here.

About Militant - Yes, I did find it a bit forced, although it was for the most part just trying to start things off. I have been unimpressed with Inf since I brought him up, hence shall change.

Oooh, I take that as a scumtell.

Why did you not want to "jump straight in with a vote"?

Also, it seems I never mentioned, but there was one post from Inf, where he expresses that he is suprised at being voted for not contributing on Day One. It struck me as coming from a surprised scum, who thought he could lurk it

Post 314:

Yeh, waiting for a claim is a good idea.

All the logic behind your scumhunting can be summed in 30 words: "militant's reply seemed forced, but I'm not sure it's scummy" and "infamous' recent posts strike me as odd, his answers haven't impressed me, and he was surprised at getting voted."

As I said back in post 262, you were the first to cast suspicion on the two people who are now closest to being lynched, and have provided a very small amount of reasoning to support either lynch. You've repeated more than once how certain you are of the two posters you suspect, and haven't analyzed anything that anyone else has said.

Looking back at just how little analysis you have provided makes me think you are scum trying to start bandwagons but not wanting to follow up on them so you don't seem too involved.

HoS Xtoxm

[hasdgfas]

insanepenguin02 replaces Elennaro. Give him a warm welcome!

[insanepenguin02]

Thanks for having me! I'm just reading through all of the talk up to this point.

[insanepenguin02]

GIEFF - I really enjoy your analysis on Xtox. From reading through the information (the past 350+ posts), I have to say that I am suspecting Xtox.

FOS: Xtoxm

HOWEVER, the fact that you brought up such great information makes me think that it could be you, GIEFF. The only things that I have for certain is that you are not both scum. It has to be either or (if any of you).

I need to reread some info and get back with a vote.

[hambargarz]

That was a quick replacement

MOD EDIT:

The only things that I have for certain is that you are not both scum. It has to be either or (if any of you).

How do you know this?

[Westbrook_Owns_U]

insane's post screams WIFOM...

HOWEVER, the fact that you brought up such great information makes me think that it could be you, GIEFF.

WIFOM at it's finest. You basically just said that because he brought up great information that he is scum. Or he is town. Or maybe he's scum cuz he said something amazing, but that could make him town at the same time but... etc.

I have for certain is that you are not both scum. It has to be either or (if any of you).

I wouldn't close your mind to the possibilities. Putting up logic on your ally is called distancing or bussing. I don't know if you already know these terms, if not, I should've given a decent example for you.

[insanepenguin02]

WIFOM?

[insanepenguin02]

NM - I got it. But what exactly does that statement mean - Wine in Front of Me?

[Westbrook_Owns_U]

Okay, basically it's saying that:

x could be town
but x could also be scum
but x could also be town for this reason
but he could be scum for the same reason
but he could also be town

and it's basically an endless argument with yourself/ others that wastes time and is needless and not very helpful.

[GIEFF]

Check out the wiki article, insanepenguin: http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM

There is some other good stuff on there you should probably read, too.



I figure this is as good a time as any to post an update on the voting history:

By Character:

Elennaro

FoS: clockworkruse Post 19
Vote: urielzyx, Unvote., UnFoS. Post 41
Vote: RealityFan Post 97
Unvote Post 157
FoS: militant. Post 190

Westbrook_Owns_U

FoS: ClockworkRuse

(Posted as infamousace2)

Post 22
Vote: Xtoxm

(Posted as infamousace2)

Post 32
Unvote: Xtoxm

(Posted as infamousace2)

Post 137
FoS: _over9000, FoS: Xtoxm Post 284

hambargarz

vote: Xtoxm Post 26
Unvote, Vote: militant Post 95
FOS: ClockworkRuse Post 110
FOS: GIEFF Post 177
+1 FOS: militant Post 209
+1 FOS: _over9000 Post 248
+1 FOS: Westbrook_Owns_U Post 341

Dipstick

Vote: GIEFF

(Posted as militant)

Post 28
Unvote

(Posted as militant)

Post 169
FOS: ClockworkRuse

(Posted as _over9000)

Post 235
vote: ClockworkRuse

(Posted as _over9000)

Post 240
Unvote Post 318
FoS Westbrook_Owns_U Post 342

SilverPhoenix

VOTE: Elannaro

(Posted as urielzyx)

Post 30
Unvote

(Posted as urielzyx)

Post 57
Vote: infamousace2

(Posted as urielzyx)

Post 121
Vote: ClockworkRuse Post 287

CarnCarn

Vote: Gieff

(Posted as RealityFan)

Post 43
Unvote, Random Vote: Xtoxm, FoS: Elennaro, FoS: militant, Unvote: Xtoxm Post 204
Unvote:Elennaro Post 230
Vote: _over9000 Post 252

ClockworkRuse

Vote: ClockworkRuse Post 82
Unvote, Vote hambargarz Post 96
Vote: Militant Post 171
HoS over9000
Post 281
Unvote Post 305
FoS GIEFF Post 322

Xtoxm

Vote Militant Post 88
Unvote Vote Inf Post 220

GIEFF

FoS militant Post 146
vote: infamousace2 Post 189
HoS over9000 Post 254
unvote Westbrook (previously infamous) vote _over9000, FoS Westbrook Post 304

By Chronology:

Post Number

Poster

Vote
Post 19

Elennaro

FoS: clockworkruse
Post 22

infamousace2

FoS: ClockworkRuse
Post 26

hambargarz

vote: Xtoxm
Post 28

militant

Vote: GIEFF
Post 30

urielzyx

VOTE: Elannaro
Post 32

infamousace2

Vote: Xtoxm
Post 41

Elennaro

Vote: urielzyx Unvote. UnFoS.
Post 43

RealityFan

Vote: Gieff
Post 57

urielzyx

Unvote
Post 82

ClockworkRuse

Vote: ClockworkRuse

End of Random Voting Stage

Post 88

Xtoxm

Vote Militant
Post 95

hambargarz

Unvote Vote: militant
Post 96

ClockworkRuse

Unvote Vote hambargarz
Post 97

Elennaro

Vote: RealityFan
Post 110

hambargarz

FOS: ClockworkRuse
Post 121

urielzyx

Vote: infamousace2
Post 137

infamousace2

Unvote: Xtoxm
Post 146

GIEFF

FoS militant
Post 157

Elennaro

Unvote
Post 169

militant

Unvote
Post 171

ClockworkRuse

Vote: Militant
Post 177

hambargarz

FOS: GIEFF
Post 189

GIEFF

vote: infamousace2
Post 190

Elennaro

FoS: militant.
Post 204

CarnCarn

Unvote Random Vote: Xtoxm FoS: Elennaro FoS: militant Unvote: Xtoxm
Post 209

hambargarz

+1 FOS: militant
Post 220

Xtoxm

Unvote Vote Inf
Post 230

CarnCarn

Unvote:Elennaro
Post 235

_over9000

FOS: ClockworkRuse
Post 240

_over9000

vote: ClockworkRuse
Post 248

hambargarz

+1 FOS: _over9000
Post 252

CarnCarn

Vote: _over9000
Post 254

GIEFF

HoS over9000
Post 256

ClockworkRuse

HoS over9000
Post 281

ClockworkRuse

Mod: Any responses from those prods?
Post 284

Westbrook_Owns_U

FoS: _over9000 FoS: Xtoxm
Post 287

SilverPhoenix

Vote: ClockworkRuse
Post 304

GIEFF

unvote Westbrook (previously infamous) <BR>vote _over9000 FoS Westbrook
Post 305

ClockworkRuse

Unvote
Post 318

Dipstick

Unvote
Post 322

ClockworkRuse

FoS GIEFF
Post 341

hambargarz

+1 FOS: Westbrook_Owns_U
Post 342

Dipstick

FoS Westbrook_Owns_U

[insanepenguin02]

Thanks guys! But my judgment for a FOS remains.

[SilverPhoenix]

insane's post screams WIFOM...

HOWEVER, the fact that you brought up such great information makes me think that it could be you, GIEFF.

WIFOM at it's finest. You basically just said that because he brought up great information that he is scum. Or he is town. Or maybe he's scum cuz he said something amazing, but that could make him town at the same time but... etc.

I have for certain is that you are not both scum. It has to be either or (if any of you).

I wouldn't close your mind to the possibilities. Putting up logic on your ally is called distancing or bussing. I don't know if you already know these terms, if not, I should've given a decent example for you.

This isn't necessarily WIFOM, but more or less it is active lurking (posting, but not posting any real content) The fact that GIEFF has also posted that you haven't posted much analysis yourself, it makes me suspicious that you point that out from insane.

[SilverPhoenix]

EDWOP: As my sig suggets, V/LA until 12/16 for exams. I'll do my best, but until I get this final paper done, I won't be posting much.

[Westbrook_Owns_U]

Insane isn't actiely lurking.... I was talking about his post. He said that since GIEFF gave good information that he was town. OR he was mafia. OR he could just be town. That's just what I saw, I'm probably misreading it as I occasionally do :/.

[hambargarz]

This isn't necessarily WIFOM, but more or less it is active lurking

I wouldn't say it's active lurking, I would just say it's a newbie post. The argument on GIEFF's protown posts is WIFOM (i've also wondered what to think of them too). This, his forum rank and him not knowing about bussing also imply this.

[ClockworkRuse]

D=

V/LA

For the time being. This is going to hinder things a bit. I'm going to have minimal access for the next few days. Maybe an hour tops.

I'll try to stay as active as I can here.

[hasdgfas]

VOTE COUNT:

Dipstick(3): hambargarz, CarnCarn, GIEFF
Westbrook_Owns_U(1): Xtoxm
ClockworkRuse(1): SilverPhoenix


Not Voting: Westbrook_Owns_U, insanepenguin02, ClockworkRuse, Dipstick
9 alive, 5 to lynch

Deadline is in 5 days

[GIEFF]

If we don't have 5 votes on anybody before 5 days are up, it is a no-lynch, which is not good for the town.

If you think you may not be able to get back to the thread in 5 days, please vote now to avoid a no-lynch.

[GIEFF]

Mod, can you prod Xtoxm and CarnCarn?

MOD EDIT: DONE