Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Yimmy

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also ranger who did you target

I doused yimmy

[DragonEater70]

Yes, the narrow outlook of thinking someone who lies to town and then basically says "I am going to engage in anti-town action just to troll" might not be

pro-town

.

That's where your confusion comes from. I didn't say anything about my actions being pro town, I said that my alignment is town. Town-aligned players can and WILL make anti-town plays and if you can't accept that then you will have a very hard time not deathtunneling townies every game.

Yeah, but you know who also makes anti-town plays? People with anti-town roles. If you can't accept that acting in an anti-town way is going to get you limmed for being anti-town, you will have a very hard time surviving every game.

I do know that, and I'm trying to act in a pro-town way. I do understand why you'd consider what I am doing as anti-town but FMPOV it's pro-town.

Also about not buying "I sometimes lie in massclaim", idk what to tell you because if you check literally every completed game where I wasn't a VT you'll see that I ALWAYS do weird stuff when it's time to claim. I don't understand how you can "not buy it".

[DragonEater70]

Anyway

Cook said we should solve and I agree

[DragonEater70]

Time for read re-evaluation!

[DragonEater70]

business card

SCUMREAD? GIVE US A CALL!

55-TOWNY

STOP

GETTING VOTED!

STOP

GETTING VIGGED!

START

ACTING LIKE YOU'RE TOWN!

THE BEST WAY TO SOLVE THE GAME IS TO

HELP SOLVE THE GAME

POST YOUR READS! CLAIM YOUR ROLE!

HUNT THE SCUMTEAM!

CALL US NOW FOR A FREE CONSULATION

COOK MAFIASCUM, ATTORNEY AT LAW

Well honestly I don't actually think scum!Cook makes this kind of post tbh, and I honestly want to sheep Koba on Cook being town.

Befire I make a judgement let's just see a few other of Cook's posts:

EBWODP

What are you basing this on?

vibes

also the two of them can’t and don’t SR each other, along with koba tunneling drew after he criticized ranger

if they are scum they are scum together. if they are town they are town together.

I like this take very much

>be me, political clout
>replaces into 52-page game
>immediately CC's the townleader
>gets townread by the other townleader
>refuses to elaborate

Nice meme

I give up. Cook ur gonna have to fight this out yourself bc it's not helpful that I'm trying to defend u while you're basically doing nothing atp

Post solving content like giving us a PoE or a town core or any sort of reads, bc the more you play like this the more it feels like you are intentionally anti spewing basically.


I'd rather have your slot be around for d2 and flip in a different order but your flip atp forces a lot of povs to change regardless of alignment so it isnt in my list of "horrible info townread lims"

yeah you got it

DkKoba

- has not dropped off in content, and i don't want to lim this while there's good potential for scum to hunt

DragonEater70

- your plan is good and makes solid sense i'm on board with it

Ircher

- vibes but also you are like posting content and shit

AniX

- honestly your role is probably legit and while it's not exactly AI i guess i don't think anyone would give a vigkill power to scum, plus if you're faking it you're doing it really well. so. yippee anix. also i may be swayed by hearing anix talk during the townhall.

Meuh, Delta, Drew

- i do not at all see the scumcase on drew and neither should you

Political Clout

- how the hell did you end up here

Bingle

- meh i don't know what to think on bingle. you post a lot but you also have weird opinions.

Aureal

- i still don't trust this amway stuff but even if you're scum it seems like there are other people who'll just take over for you. so. yippee.

camelCasedSnivy

- hadn't contributed anything earlygame and i don't recall seeing anything i liked more recently. could just be me idk

Theta Alpine

- someone had to have put you and ranger in the same bucket with me, right? there's no way that you'd just be "the role that can do a pointless action to confirm yourself" right? but whatever

Ranger

- as soon as you find something productive to do with your time you can go back to townlean, but seriously you say you have a fakeclaim, you decide you need to go last for a role that would do diddly squat to change claims for anyone, and just kept going. (next you'll say "haha, die, scum" and vote me again.)

KatyKimFanClub

- dropped back as of late

Skygazer

- dropped back.

Save The Dragons

- disappointment of a slot.

ofrhz, Alisae

- dropped back but you were also towny before??

Klick, Random Nurse

- i'm seeing the case tbh

People I Want Axed

Klick

Aureal

if this amway stuff still doesn't turn out

Koba

if Ranger is somehow legit

and

Alpine is true

ofrhz

because lurk

these buckets are pretty much unsorted.

i mostly think that lurkers should be kicked out so that we have more info

also so that people stop replacing out of slots lmao

I kinda feel like this is somewhat reasonable but also meh. Don't think it's scummy. I agree that it's really Annoying Ranger is just tunneling on Cook and not hunting scum elsewhere. Would probably be more annoying from Cook's viewpoint.

How is it a clear on Meuh? Meuh could claim whatever she wants, couldn't she?

no? how?

Because words.. are just words? There's not currently anyone vouching for what Meuh claims, so I'm not sure how you are coming to the conclusion she is cleared here.

my townread on koba

But if I’m scum I can know Koba is town and just claim it
I would actually need to, because if I didn’t and Koba then got confirmed as town, I would literally be outed as scum

i don't get what you're saying?

Really??? I don't believe you don't understand it, it's very simple. If Meuh claims death miller and it turns out Koba wasn't a death miller, then Meuh is confscum

I am town though…

I guarantee you're not.

what would you wager on that?

My life.

If Meuh flipped town I'd eat a death gladly.

Same for you.

...?

wdym by that last one

This sounds sincere for some reason, so that's like half a town point



Um, overall verdict: idk. Nullish? Scummish? Townish? I'd say nullish/townish but still part of PoE, though not the first person I would like to vote for today.

If I squint hard and say "I believe Koba, Koba your reads are divine" then she's pretty towny though.

Yeah let me have a look at some other people and then I'll probably go back to Cook since I'm not really happy with my read.

[DragonEater70]

Roleclaim: I am a miller.

VOTE: ranger

I'm miller.

VOTE: anix

fos theta.

I retract

VOTE: camelcasesnivy

hos anix
fos theta
igmeo drdrew

town: PC
town: dkkoba
town: ircher
town: cook

i would support just wagoning any player that does not claim in their next post if they have not claimed yet

this is my next post.

Baker is the full name

and yeah half the game so far has been massclaim so thats whats been in my head

except for anix i did kinda have a scumread before this

there are no modifiers on it not even alignment modifiers?

My role is town sensitive tracker.

You are on balance probably mafia.

VOTE: camelcasesnivy

"on balance"

pc can you read the setup description

the balance of scales weighted toward good and evil dunn dunn dunn.

I know that someone with Ninja role acted N1.

Yet for some reason my previous slot didn't act N1 at all. My modifier is passive, yea.

How do you know that? Can you expain the exact roe you have and the exact report you got?

My track has sensitivity modifier (yet it's passive for some reason)


To explain it simple, if role which can make my investigation inaccurate acted at night at all, i learn about it. Ninja, Bus Drivers and other redirecting trash included.

For N1 i got report that Ninja acted. I don't really know more.

Honestly this is still locktown and I don't think Enchant randomly comes up with a different claim as scum.

[DragonEater70]

Roleclaim: I am a miller.

not this shit again

The problem with lying so consistently is when I actually tell the truth, nobody believes me.

The price I pay for a good troll.

do you also by chance happen to play checkers every night in order to activate your miller ability

Holy shit how did I miss this, this is GOLD

ok then cook

im not sure about anix i just don't think they're scum

dkkoba could be scum but prolly not

ranger is fine

and idk about literally anyone

im not sure why anix is being scumread can some1 explain

AniX is very obvtown, so DK is scumreading them for superficial posting because DK is jealous that someone else is being level 0 with their reads and yet is town.

how is anix obvtown either

std might be right about anixs posts being better than i thought but I'm too lazy to analyze rn

ircher better unvote me or I'm gonna do a 360 no scope and hit him with a fucking loaf of bread

anix was winning vs koba and std stepped in

Was AniX winning?

i think so

like lim them if they dont comply

Yeah but do you know if they are lying about it?

they have to eat the baked goods by posting it in here with bold

ugh i have 0 idea whats going on anymore and im kinda busy for a while but at a glance koba v aureal is SvT

Who's the S?

thats the neat part, i have 0 fucking clue

both of them are fine flips though if we want to vote in that pool

was the RN slot cursed to be the most inactive slot possible

camel why is cook mafia

originally thought she was town but recently i dont like her scumhunting, a hint of opportunistic

her role is pretty ass too which was the initial motivation

however not only is Klicks role even more scummier but i havent gotten anything so klick > cook

i have a townread on std just because his role doesnt make sense as scum but other than that he hasnt done much

So, no reason I’m asking this at all, like I definitely don’t have an anti cult power, but is there any chance there’s a cult this game? Asking for someone who definitely isn’t unrecruitable.

traitor pm specified you cant be recruited, this seems like a pretty big soft

Honestly not sure why I decided CCS was locktown earlier, but all these posts give an uninformed/town vibe and honestly not sure they've done anything scummy so CCS is at medium-high tier of towniness.

[DragonEater70]

Also I believe their claim since they did crumb it and I think it's a towny role

[DragonEater70]

Doctor Drew - Eternal UB: Changes to the last town player to die
Random Nurse - Non-Consec Enforcer which basically makes a player Ascetic for the night
Political Clout - Sensitive Tracker which I forgot what Sensitive does
DragonEater70 - Cop that doesn't work after a Town player dies
Theta Alpine - Desperate Treevivor Doomer which makes dead people who investigate opposite to theta treestumped, must use a day after the death
Ranger - Disables modifiers and passive abilities for a day/night cycle and becomes a miller when used
DkKoba - Death Miller which flips as random scum role
Save The Dragons - Hotelier neighborizes 2 people for one night
AniX - JOAT(vig for full day tunnel, delay for not voting at all, track for voting 5 people for one day)
Skygazer - Compulsive Loan Shark, gives votes to players in exchange for being able to act for them next night
Ircher - Neighborizer that loses their vote next day
Bingle - Unable to be changed, may be bp or ascetic each night
Aureal - Pyramid scheme type shit I have 0 fucking clue
Alisae - Arsonist with one ignition and up to 2 doused players
Cook - Modifier which gives a neg util modifier to someone each night
camelCasedSnivy - Baker which gives baked goods 3-shot can be publically eaten to roleblock the next night and may also be passed
KatyKimFanClub - Revealer which reveals a random player's role on death

did i get it right

Also @Enchant here are le claims

[DragonEater70]

Okay you know what

Maybe I should stop second guessing my reads and thinking that the towniest players are the scum and the scummiest players are town, and start playing this like a normal game of mafia.

[DragonEater70]

I'm starting work in 2 minutes, but a proper readlist is coming later on today

[Enchant]

Thanks will look

[Meuh]

Reminder that I’m confirming Koba was town here so a scum Koba world also means I’m scum

FWIW if Koba was scum they were also a godfather.

I don’t think Koba was scum.

The godfather thing applies to a cop check. I inherited Koba’s role, that’s not something that’d be affected by Koba being godfather.

[camelCasedSnivy]

VOTE: Yimmy

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also ranger who did you target

I doused yimmy

ok

UNVOTE:

[Enchant]

Alright, Ninja Ninja where a u.
Most likely Ninja just ommited ninja part of role and claimed truthfully (but mod could provide fakeclaims. But fakeclaims makes them "fake" so it's most likely they have no noticable impact at the game.

Obviously this list is worthless if mod decided "ahahaha you know i make one role ninja and with different ability for no fucking reason" and i presume it's not case for now.


Totally not Ninja:

Doctor Drew - Eternal UB: Changes to the last town player to die

Too brazen to claim as Ninja. Also we not executing today, because even if it goes though, flip will say "Mafia" and we get confused.

Political Clout - Sensitive Tracker which I forgot what Sensitive does

Promise not ninja

DkKoba - Death Miller which flips as random scum role

Totally not.

Aureal - Pyramid scheme type shit I have 0 fucking clue

Dead before N1

May be Ninja but unlikely:

Skygazer - Compulsive Loan Shark, gives votes to players in exchange for being able to act for them next night

This role is hardly pairs with Ninja and confirmable.

Save The Dragons - Hotelier neighborizes 2 people for one night

Imagine Ninja Neighborizer. Wild. I probably steal this idea for my game.

Ranger - Disables modifiers and passive abilities for a day/night cycle and becomes a miller when used

"All" modifiers and passive abilities? Anyway Ninja unlikely.

camelCasedSnivy - Baker which gives baked goods 3-shot can be publically eaten to roleblock the next night and may also be passed

Unlikely.

Cook - Modifier which gives a neg util modifier to someone each night

If it works like promised then fine but i still didn't get it need to look manually

Theta Alpine - Desperate Treevivor Doomer which makes dead people who investigate opposite to theta treestumped, must use a day after the death | What... Meh i look for original Theta post.

Okay i realised what it's doing. Unlikely Ninja, confirmed at first Mafia death. There's no reason to not make Mafia tree as they will die anyway, so do it? Aha.
DkKuba probably not investigated as scum though.

Ircher - Neighborizer that loses their vote next day

Imagine Ninja Ne... Ahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahha

Bingle - Unable to be changed, may be bp or ascetic each night

| I hate this claim and i think it's mafia. BUT Ascetic part is easy to confirm, so it's unlikely that mafia make it as Ninja.
... I see Bingle as potential team with Random Nurse/Enforcer who can fake "being Ascetic".

One of these are Ninja:
Random Nurse - Non-Consec Enforcer which basically makes a player Ascetic for the night | Honestly if it's mafia role, that's what i would make "Ninja" (because tracking Enforcer would lead to 2 scum deaths). But putting both Ninja and Enforcer is kinda eh... It's like shielding 2 mafs from investigation? I mean possible why not. High Priority.
DragonEater70 - Cop that doesn't work after a Town player dies | Literal "Fuck you" from the list mods, but can be easily be faked.
AniX - JOAT(vig for full day tunnel, delay for not voting at all, track for voting 5 people for one day) | ... I.. Let's say i want to say it's lowest priority of "Most likely" ninjas especially with Vig claim.
Lowest Priority.
Alisae - Arsonist with one ignition and up to 2 doused players | That's what i would make Ninja honestly. Low Priority though as i think making Arsonist Ninja is Unfair.
KatyKimFanClub - Revealer which reveals a random player's role on death | Let's talk about it when you die but otherwise ninja likelyhood exist. High Priority (AND CHECK AS THE BONUS!!!!!!!!!)



VOTE: Random Nurse

[camelCasedSnivy]

random nurse is yimmy

and de70 lied about their role at the time of me posting that too

[Enchant]

VOTE: Yimmy

Sorry

Will search ok.

[Skygazer]

hi enchant!

[Enchant]

Hi!

I will be honest i liked your previous avatar more

[Skygazer]

i kind of gave away my confirmability by joining an MLM

i guess i can always leave if confirming my role is necessary but ye

[Skygazer]

Hi!

I will be honest i liked your previous avatar more

he's just a small little guy. his name is bobbert.

[Enchant]

i kind of gave away my confirmability by joining an MLM

what is MLM

[Skygazer]

multi-level marketing (or a pyramid scheme). basically a diet cult

[Skygazer]

look at aureal's role flip for more context; i joined to get rid of my role's downsides

[Enchant]

Aureal died and was a town Amway consultant!

player name

You are a

town Amway consultant

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

You have the following abilities.

Recruitment drive:

during the day, you may quote a post (or part of a post) that someone else made, and respond with one of the following lines (without quotes):

"Have you heard about this new opportunity to make extra income?"
"I have something that could really help improve your finances."
"Do you want to learn about a secret to financial freedom?"
"I have a solution that could change your life."
"Have you ever thought about owning your own business?"
"I have a way for you to take control of your financial future."
"Do you want to secure a better future for you and your family?"
"I have a product that has helped so many people achieve their goals."
"Are you interested in learning about a unique investment opportunity?"
"I have something that could help you achieve financial independence."

If they acknowledge you after this in any way (either by commenting on what you said, quoting it, or mentioning your name in any capacity), and they are not already an Amway consultant, you will automatically create a neighborhood with them. In this neighborhood, you can offer them the ability to become an Amway consultant. If they accept, they will gain a copy of all of your abilities. The neighborhood will stay open even if they reject the offer, and if the offer has been made, they can choose to accept it at any time. This neighborhood will last until either one of you uses the

sell out and cut your losses

ability, or until they accept an offer to be an Amway consultant from someone else (in the event that multiple people have offered them). You may create up to 2 neighborhoods each game day.

Financial strain:

you may not use any abilities at night other than

sell out and cut your losses

, any abilities granted to you by

passive income

, and the factional kill (if relevant).

Sell out and cut your losses:

during the night, you may use this ability to leave Amway. If you do, you will lose all related abilities. If you use this, then you may not use any other abilities during that night, and you will lose your vote for the following day. Additionally, any Amway-related abilities targeting you will fail for the rest of the game.

Passive income:

for each person that you have recruited directly or indirectly (i.e., by having a chain of recruiters from you to them), you get 1 passive income. This includes players that have died, but not players that have used

sell out and cut your losses

. If you have enough passive income, you may use one of the following abilities at night:

If you have at least 1 passive income, you may target a player to send them a message. The message must include the word "Amway" somewhere in it.

If you have at least 3 passive income, you may target a player to create a neighborhood with them. If they are not already an Amway consultant, you may offer them the option to become one normally. If they are already an Amway consultant, this ability will fail.

If you have at least 6 passive income, you may target a player to roleblock them. Additionally, if they are not an Amway consultant, you will automatically open a neighborhood with them and recruit them as an Amway consultant.

If you have at least 10 passive income, you may target a player to kill them. If they were not an Amway consultant, you will also recruit them (and permanently earn passive income from them).

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As long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

night 1 begins and will end in (expired on 2023-09-03 12:20:00).

Fuck okay. So basically you need to get 6 passive income (which is 6 players becoming Awmay Consultant) to become roleblocker and 10 passive income to get vig ability.

... Eh. I consider ability to "use other players abilities" are more powerful than this.

How your ability works again?