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yo

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Do you ever just like sit in a dark room listening to the shire while licking the back end of an ice pop melting from the heat in a poorly circulated room

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Anyone watch the live action One Piece

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#1 in 84 countries, Stronger Thongs and Thursday only got to 83.

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Anyone watch the live action One Piece

I don't trust Netflix with live actions from animes

This one is the exception, but I’m with ya

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Like it’s so charming, don’t get me wrong, they do have to change some stuff, but they did really well with it, and the production design is so good

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Who’d be opposed to me just coasting through the game giving me lol thoughts on players and pop culture storytelling until like Day 3 or 4

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Who’d be opposed to me just coasting through the game giving me lol thoughts on players and pop culture storytelling until like Day 3 or 4

I don't believe you can restrain yourself that long

Hey, whether I can or not, that wasn’t the question

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Who’d be opposed to me just coasting through the game giving me lol thoughts on players and pop culture storytelling until like Day 3 or 4

frankly i found your review of the live action one piece pretty superficial. up your game and i'll help you survive the game's first episode of post-mislim fingerpointing.

Superficial is the best new flavor for minimum effort

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Anyone watch the live action One Piece

I don't trust Netflix with live actions from animes

This one is the exception, but I’m with ya

I didn't plan to watch after being burned by cowboy bebop, but this was actually good- like, good good.

Yeah, i can’t say I’ve watched much One Piece, but I’ve watched past the point the live action got. The heart of the show is coming across, imo, and i don’t think you need to be a One Piece fan to enjoy the show at all.

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Merlyn, I’m gonna jump in your pocket again.

I got a One Piece One Soul read on you

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i heard one piece is too long and i dont have enough free time

That’s what the live action gonna be for tbh. Gets through 44 episodes in the 8 episode series with big production design.

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Merlyn-Snivy-Flavor town core, what ya gonna do about BIANCO?!?

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Where Bob at

I kinda wanna add them in it if they’re town

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It’s on the list, but if i do it, imma monetize it

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I’m pretty townie

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Bbmolla probably right

VOTE: Flavor

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hmm i like most of seriousish votes so far. dont know where to plant my flag for real yet. but this has been nice quick progress

Flag it on me, I’m an artificial flavor this game.

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Bianco is town core too, I think. They were so right.

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Was going to RVS BBmolla- do you remember me? I recall you back in the day lol

But

Holy fuck Psyche. That’s too much lol.

VOTE: Psyche

hello

flavor leaf is scum

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

bye

Baa

VOTE: Flavor

ok let me that guy and ask
why?

I am town core ing for apparent silly reasons and focusing more on non game related things. On top of that, it looks like I am pocketing heavily in my town core.

Which is fine. I think scum reading me for it is fair. I can see Bbm doing it as either alignment, and at the end of the day, it’s a juicy wagon to see what happens from it

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Yeah, i wanna post more but I’m trying not to overtake the thread

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Yeah, i wanna post more but I’m trying not to overtake the thread

How are you going to overtake the thread there's 22 other fuckers here.

And at least 18 of them will probably say that’s a small task for the leaf that brings the beef

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Anyone watch the live action One Piece

No. It seems like they trashed the canon material. Netflix has a habit of it.

I’m usually with y’all on Netflix and bad adaptations, but it hittin.

They even promoting it everywhere as the ‘East Blue Saga’ instead of Season 1 most places.

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Here ya go ya silly little billy

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Would have been a perfect scum game if Night 5 didn’t hit a BP.

But Plan B worked perfectly albeit a few scares along the way.

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not willing to vote Flavor Leaf yet as we need some more discussion

also flavor leaf self-voted for some arcane reason

Arcane is another very good show on Netflix that I highly recommend. Characters from the League of Legends universe in a great multi pov story

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9.9 out of 10, Arcane. It would have been a 10 if it weren’t for that damn theme song

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Do you ever just like sit in a dark room listening to the shire while licking the back end of an ice pop melting from the heat in a poorly circulated room

VOTE: Flavor

Did you finally roll scum against me?

No.

If I did, i would not be getting wagoned until like Day 3+ if that tbh.

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not willing to vote Flavor Leaf yet as we need some more discussion

also flavor leaf self-voted for some arcane reason

Arcane is another very good show on Netflix that I highly recommend. Characters from the League of Legends universe in a great multi pov story

I play league (yes I am that broken), but I haven't watched arcane yet. Probably should watch it.

I still don't like Psych too much

And that is true, quoting sometimes does weird things

i used to play league but it made me a worse person with regrets and lost potential. but i'd play again anyway if it meant me and zzzx could be friends

feel both of these for sure.

but i like the world, so happy they putting more games out. ill play the mmo when it comes out years from now.

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Dave’s got a point

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I think Hu Tao comes off the scummiest on my wagon, but not sure if I’m ready to commit that way yet.

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If Bbmolla is scum, they were able to successfully mist themself.

Zzzx feels a bit jokey with it, which I think is leak town.

Klazam, idk. Probably town?

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flavor leaf what even is this gambit

what gambit, im just vibin

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im just genuine af

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i dont see this as TempScum, though. Weird pocket white knight defense if so, and I just don't think that's worth it.

I get off vibes from Psyche, but I think it's just their playstyle.

dave's meta of me is interesting, feel like they know me too well, which does make sense, I guess, but still weird to see every meta post I see dave make nowadays is solid.

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im just tryna coast until later and solve.

there's no way I live through to the end of this game in most scenarios with 2 scum night kills.

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I'm only saying flavor leaf is town because that gambit is too scummy to be scum

What you're missing IMO is that prospect that people like you will think things like this is why scum often play this way. They can coast along and do really little and people will think there's no way they could be so daring. If a supposed towntell is really easy to perform without little effort, then it's not a very good towntell. It relies on players not being aware of the tell in the first place.

i do more as scum than i do as town, though

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i dont really know what the two of you are arguing about

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debating*

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i dont really know what the two of you are arguing about

psyche believes incoherence isn't a towntell

it's fakeable, but mainly if people don't know the player because supplementary meta wrecks it.

I can see it both ways. I know I'm capable of faking incoherence, but most of the time, it's cuz im just trollin' and people take it seriously.

im in troll mode right now, waiting to pounce somewhere still. i catch a lot of scum with my troll bait. i dont think Pysche is scum here, though.

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The self vote is a way of shining an aura of arrogance

I have a gut scum ping on Hu Tao, but it’s too early to push them

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i feel obliged to ask one more question. what is the gambit? the self vote or something else?

that and flavor leaf is self scumcasing (that is, flavor leaf is arguing that they are scum)

I didn’t argue that I was scum, i have a scum case for why someone could think I’m scum

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i mean i mostly agree but FL is a useful device for transitioning out of RVS

That’s my speciality.

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I do think scum self vote. I don't think describing FL's style being 'coasting' to be accurate at all. He's not gonna keep only talking about one piece, he'll want to play bc he he likes to play. All this early panic seems unwarranted

Yeah, I’m the highest count poster in the game, but I can kind of get why Psyche thinks I’m doing ‘nothing but coasting’ because my tone and energy don’t align with how I’m actually playing, and that’s definitely by design.

I’m still pushing off trolly vibes, but if you look in between the lines, I’m actually giving a decent amount of thoughts and reads on multiple different slots.

I think Psyche will eventually see that, but this early in the game, I get what they’re getting at, and the fact they’re being withdrawn instead of outright pushing me leans town.

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I also don’t get pockety vibes with Merlyn towards me, and I feel the two of us have a decent rapport to be able to read each other accurately after Pokemon and that other game that shall not be named where I got pocketed by Merlyn.

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Personally, I feel like there’s plenty of slots that are coasting far more than I am, so not sure why that’s even being brought up as me ‘coasting’.

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@Psyche - if you wanna see a scum game of mine

viewtopic.php?t=90993

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flavor leaf's entire ISO is fluff and trying to self scumcase

I actually can't sort flavor leaf but I am leaning town because self scumcasing is incoherency

I feel I’ve given more than you on slots this game, i think you need to look at my ISO again if you think it’s all fluff.

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Temporal is right for the wrong reasons on me being town

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I do townread Flavor Leaf though, with the self-vote being the main impetus for a Flavor Leaf townread (I doubt scum would self-vote early Day 1)

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

I must be Town too.

JV is town damn

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Temporal is right for the wrong reasons on me being town

Idk about right but definitely wrong reasons lmao

Well, i do know about right, so we can talk about that post game

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Scum in my experience are

more

likely to self-vote than Town, Town primarily want to find wolves. Scum doesn't and they're more playing for self-image and control. Attempting to appear less self-preservistic with a self-vote is not unheard of at all and earlier in the game is the least risky time to do so.

I don't follow your logic, at all. In fact I believe it's going the entirely wrong route.

I’ve self voted like thrice as scum and like 15 times as town, so idk if i think this is true

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scum need to scumhunt in a multiball

It's not the priority though, is it?

Surely FL would be more motivated to scumhunt as town than as scum?

To make my own position clear, I'm leaning scum more than town, but I can also see them doing it as town.

Go check Not Quite So Normal II for the last time I was Scum in Multiball, and look how hard I tunneled

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Alright, as much as I love being the center of attention, may be time to stop obsessing over me

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right now I'd say bbmolla is my strongest townread and klazam is my strongest scumread

Explain the Bbmolla town case. Cuz like I can see it, but i don’t think anything merits them being the strongest town read.

As scum, they just used my slot as a conduit, and really haven’t done anything, and the thing they agreed with Psyche working is factually untrue to what was happening.

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Alright, as much as I love being the center of attention, may be time to stop obsessing over me

But you're super cute, how could we not?

Pocketing, a trick that probably will work on me

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I will say JV vs Temporal in addition to some poor takes on Temp’s part have dropped them down a bit.

It’s possible I was town reading them cuz they were defending me.

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well I'm backing out and that's my final answer

I want to remain towny this game and I want to be able to give reads without pressure

You want to remain ‘towny’? As in the perceived appearance of being town?

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JV’s posts are super townie, even if he’s wrong on you, Temporal.

Why are you so effected by a little bit of pressure here? As town, pressure can help get you town read more by diving deeper into your thoughts.

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JV just got into the game, and I think their track is valid, and you’re trying to shut them down instead.

You’re way too focused on one person’s read on you and what it might do for your social standing in the game imo.

Like I’m not convinced you are scum, but I definitely can see a world where you are here, especially considering I don’t think your Bbmolla case is valid because I really don’t think BBm’s done much this game, and it looks like you’re trying to position yourself.

On top of that, the way you tried to town read me just also was an inaccurate reason. Like i was happy you town read me, but looking back on it, it looks like you were trying to be on both BBM and my side, which is fine, but you shut down the second someone had a valid reasoning for pressuring you.

It’s okay to be pressured as town, that’s like part of the game.

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I could see Temp doing it as town, but they deserve some pressure.

VOTE: Temp

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If Temp is scum, it’s probably not with BBm.

Temp is looking like the type that wants to stay on good terms everywhere, which in a Multiball games, looks like scum trying to avoid being night killed.

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JacksonV
Merlyn

Bianco
Snivy
Kitty
Psyche
Shrek
Zzzx

Davesaz
biancospino

Hu Tao
Save The Dragons
Random Nurse
Flavia
Naerys
Klazam
bob3141
iamveryhappy
Furtiveglance
the worst

TemporalLich
Bbmolla

I usually have two tiers, an orange and red, under my bottom tier, but pink tier is light scum read, haven’t had many scum reads just yet.

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okay flavor leaf might not be town then

So you’re one of those “they town read me, I town read them, they scum read me they probs scum” type of players.

Noting.

It’s also a very weak move in my position to vote you here after you’re one of my stronger defenders, and while I have pressure on me already.

Momentum is able to shift my way with the right pebbles moving around letting the boulder fall.

I just don’t take people seriously when they give conditional read positioning like that.

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If Temp is scum, it’s probably not with BBm.

Temp is looking like the type that wants to stay on good terms everywhere, which in a Multiball games, looks like scum trying to avoid being night killed.

Although, wouldn't being on good terms universally be more reason to not get NK'd rather than them wanting to get on bad terms, but not bad enough to get elimmed?

Good terms, but not super threat. They weren’t making many pushes, but they were defending, which feels like hyper positioning. Also, i don’t really think they believe their own reasons, they just think they’re ‘solid reasons’. Does this make sense?

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yeah I'm unable to thoughtstream well due to the pressure affecting me

call that a scumclaim all you want but it is how I feel

pedit: my scumread is based on you trying to pressure me, that's my only reason

I’m purposefully and tactically adding pressure to you, because you need it.

You seem uncomfortable with pressure on you, so sharpening you up to try and see if you’re a diamond or a lump of coal

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Why?

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Your tactic is still analyzable. But really it looks like you don’t want to be analyzed, which is inherently scummy.

Town want to be town read by other townies, not try to hide and shut off

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because you're trying to pressure me so I can't give reads with more than 1 femtosecond of thought and negative 3 minutes of reasoning

Feels like a skill you gotta work on tbh.

As either alignment

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Like I’m not even sold they’re scum or anything, they just put a pressure target on their back, and now they’re getting incredibly survivalistic even though there’s like two of us on them.

It’s kinda funny to watch.

Idk what I’m getting out of it, but it will be interesting to see how the game develops from here

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I'm freezing under pressure as that is my best move in this position

I understand that you think this

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honestly idk how to sort flavor leaf

pedit: of course not, but any other move is question mark worthy

Try not to think too hard about it on Day 1. I’m more of a Day 3 onwards type of read, and I get kinda bonkers easy to read as the game goes on, which is why I like to go for perfect scum games when I’m scum.

Like in games where I’m scum on Day 1, due to having partners to help control gamestate, I’m very likely not to get faded or generally be that scum read.

Im more interested now in seeing how others react to this. They either pounce on TL or pounce on me. I’ve kinda coated JV a bit, so I’d probably take the heat

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Do you just not have the confidence to interact and try to solve with us and consider other options? Nothing wrong with that, Mafia’s a hard game.

I’m just not sure what the hold up with this stuff is.

You’re doing fine, but the words coming out just make me chuckle

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okay I'll assume null as I can't think consistently anymore

Damn, we gotta work on this, Lich.

Feels like a big holdback.

Say you, me, and JV are all flipped town, who would you think is scum?

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I lack confidence and don't feel like putting on a layer of overconfidence this game

Here’s a little secret: it’s okay not to be confident in reads, it’s Day 1.

Anyone who is that confident in their reads are just gonna get tripped up by the Bugs Bunny.

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It’s scum’s job to muddy the waters, and Day 1 with limited info on flips and interactions, there’s really not going to be solid cases as to who is scum, especially with Multiball where scum can legitimately scum hunt.

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What’s your Klazam case?

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You town read BBmolla, though, and Klazam is sheeping them. Why couldn’t they just be town sheeping someone they town read?

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When’s your last scum game, Temp? Can you link it?

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Flavor Leaf (5): BBMolla, Klazam, Flavor Leaf, ZZZX, Hu Tao

Out of this wagon, I actually feel Klazam’s vote is the least scummy here.

Zzzx, BBm, and Hu Tao all had far scummier votes.

I actually forgot about this, so Hu Tao can join you and BBm in the pink tier.

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I’m letting Bbmolla cook with their Flavor push, because I can see it coming from town, but it’s not inherently ‘townie’ to me.

It feels like you’re trying to keep the status quo if the game, and halting it from developing.

Feels like changes in reads are throwing you off.

I think your tone is strong, genuine, and townie, but I think that might be the case for your scum game, so I’d like to look at a previous scum game or two of yours to see if that analysis is accurate, that tone wise, you’re townie as scum.

I generally am town leaning you, though, because of the tone, and I probably wouldn’t want you faded here today.

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i dont think we got anything from temporal being under pressure

I think we got plenty.

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It’s not finished yet, though, and I kinda like that Snivy pop in.

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FL and I have the same brain, love that for us

Yeah, same page. Soul read.

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Lol that game you linked y’all talking about me even in games I’m not in

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It’s not finished yet, though, and I kinda like that Snivy pop in.

I don't really see how you can like that particularly

I just like Snivy

Idk, why would scum say that after we all just town leaned on Temp.

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why is there no "I'm town and am pretending to be frustrated" quantum state?

We ain’t gonna figure that out on Day 1, and Occam’s razor for me is you’re just town.

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JacksonV
Merlyn

Bianco
Snivy
Kitty
Psyche
Shrek
Zzzx

Davesaz
biancospino

Hu Tao
Save The Dragons
Random Nurse
Flavia
Naerys
Klazam
bob3141
iamveryhappy
Furtiveglance
the worst

TemporalLich
Bbmolla

I usually have two tiers, an orange and red, under my bottom tier, but pink tier is light scum read, haven’t had many scum reads just yet.

Really?

You can't tell I'm Town yet, Boonie?

I actually instinctively had you a little higher, but was like…nah, I only remember one post by them and it was me linking a scum game, so i put you in the middle because I know I’d get pocketed by scumYou anyways.

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I actually have Bianco twice. That’s okay, it’s still accurate for me.

I expect the reads to change dramatically, though over the day phase

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Speaking of prior games, do you consider benign third party to be scum?

Eh, nah. That’s a little different. Like technically yes, but for purposes of meta diving, yeah, different.

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The self vote is a way of shining an aura of arrogance

I have a gut scum ping on Hu Tao, but it’s too early to push them

Why and why is it too early?

Because I feel if you are scum, there’s not enough evidence to warrant a wagon you, and I’d rather wait and see what you do.

And if you’re town, you’re not someone I want to misfade early, and I’d be happy to wait until later in the game, if I’m alive, to look into you more.

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Continuing to Hu Tao - Not that it’s the same, but I remember the way you voted Enchant and the game I caught them, and the timing of your vote there just felt similar to your vote on me.

You were bussing there, though, on a sinking ship, but that’s why it’s a gut ping because i felt a similar energy with it, even though there are differences.

But that’s not really something I’m going to push either as a reason for you being scum, but if it comes to decision time down the line and that’s a supplementary reason for validating a vote for me one way, then I think thats fair

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Continuing to Hu Tao - Not that it’s the same, but I remember the way you voted Enchant and the game I caught them, and the timing of your vote there just felt similar to your vote on me.

You were bussing there, though, on a sinking ship, but that’s why it’s a gut ping because i felt a similar energy with it, even though there are differences.

But that’s not really something I’m going to push either as a reason for you being scum, but if it comes to decision time down the line and that’s a supplementary reason for validating a vote for me one way, then I think thats fair

Feels like 2 completely different situations

Nah, it’s just the way you join a wagon more than anything.

You’re over exaggerating the ‘completely’ part.

If it was a completely different situation, it would be something like JV voting you and me saying it’s the same thing.

You hopping on a wagon is absolutely not a ‘completely different situation’ they both have you hopping.

And you asked why I wouldn’t push you now, I feel like that was an incredibly valid reason for why I wouldn’t push you now.

It was purely a gut ping, and why would I trust that gut ping that strongly here? I’m not even trying to push or case you.

Had you not asked, I wouldn’t have brought it up further. So feels like you’re trying to make something out of nothing now.

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Okay so that person was temporal, at first I was alright with their posts, then after that exchange with the other person (j something) posts just became weird. Don’t think this slot is necessarily scum though.

I don’t usually do larges, so large veteran advice- how the fuck do you keep up in general? That was a lot of pages.

Pedit: ah jacksonvirgo

Also for some reason Camel’s joke got a scumping for me, but I’m not going into that right now.

Goddamnit stop posting

Imo, don’t feel the need to keep up completely, especially early game, you can always read back later in the game when it slows down to do detective work, but when you are around, try to play in the present.

Like it’s hard to keep up in a large game, and a lot of is going to be missed no matter what. Games like these tend to slow tremendously when it gets down to 8 or 9 people, we’re kind of here as fodder for the finalists to read interactions

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Also I think Temporal is definitely faking their logic in the moment

Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

Same page.

My issue is if I believe there’s genuine malice in their actions doing so or not.

It’s why I struggled with the town read on theme and wanted their games to see if their tone is townie as scum.

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Spoiler: Spoilered for sanity

disproving the greeting the game tell

ooh what a fun idea
ok everyone instead of voting randomly i will now commence a sitewide study to test the hypothesis that not voting in your first post is scummy (the best operationalization of the greeting tell i can do atm)
it'll be a lot of work but i can't think of a single reason to think it's not the best possible use of my free time
please stand by for a complete outline of the methodology

VOTE: furtiveglance though bc i did another study a while ago and confirmed that expressing fun ideas in mafia games is scummy

woah wait i actually do think furtive is the scummiest player here so far
let's delay explanation until page 2. page 2 has always been my lucky page and in the interim i can probably at least finish data collection

ok ok ok let's see if i can do this

Hey everyone, looking forward to this game

I'm just disproving the greeting the game tell don't mind me

I THINK this this post represents an attempt at displacing the question of whether furtive is scummy with the question of whether the greeting tell is a worthwhile tell or not.
The answer to the latter question is easily assumed to be "no", and in this context is easy to mistake as an answer to the question of whether furtive is scummy!
but these are distinct questions
furtive you wily rascal

hmm no that's not very good, even for page 2

i think i might really find furtive scummy because his post on page 1 is a much

better

post if he's scum -- it's ironic and thus more funny. objectively!
if we assume that furtive is a person with good taste (and i think we can though only time will tell), then he is correspondingly more likely to have posted it if he were scum than if he were town.
and being more likely to come from scum than from town is what it means for an action scummy!

yeah that's better. im really proud of myself
but alas even this revised justification for my vote is not very good!
would a bored member of the audience be willing to explain why?

yes its essence was clear to me from the moment i made post 18 (i think it's 18 im not going to look). indeed, i suspect my entire destiny may have been determined from the moment i decided it would be funny to hyperfixate on three words in an apparent throwaway shitpost.
but now i have one more justification for voting furtive! it's futile to say this, but this is not me doing a gish gallop. it's just an overactive imagination fueled by a caffeine addiction that i'm more than a little defensive about:
furtive's post #20 was mean. it wounded me on a deep emotional level that i'll probably need a few more pages of conversation to forget and recover from. if that kind of negative energy is allowed to persist through this game, it will only destroy us. we must destroy it first. but don't get more wrong, it's more important that we destroy scum of course. of course!

All on page 1 and 2.

Nothing “bad” about it, but it’s a reason for me to stick my vote on that.

PEdit- for some reason I don’t like that flavor seems to not think he’ll be around for endgame. That line just was odd to me.

I talk like that with the hopes I will be.

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I just always assume I’m gonna be night killed tbh, and when I’m not, cool. I can flip flop all my reads and throw scum for a loop

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Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

i don't really buy that faking logic is a scumtell tbh scum are generally motivated to fake everything *except* logic

i'm not really convinced i'm right on townpura but that's a read i don't really think i care to reevaluate on d1

So you’re happy just to ignore it.

Interesting.

Not bad. Just interesting enough to note.

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i'm like a little nervous about psyche? but i don't want to be because i want to play with psyche

Psyche was in this weird position of pushing some and defending me, and i don’t get what they get from that if scum unless they wanted my wagon to go through, I guess without pushing it.

I’m lean town on them.

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Also I think Temporal is definitely faking their logic in the moment

Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

Same page.

My issue is if I believe there’s genuine malice in their actions doing so or not.

It’s why I struggled with the town read on theme and wanted their games to see if their tone is townie as scum.

I don't sense any malice at all, in fact all the fabricated logic was actually to town-read people (you).

Malice probably was the wrong term. Scum motivated was more what I meant, and I do see scum motivation in the posts.

The tone of temporal is very townie, though, and I don’t necessarily think that’s something they could fake very well, although not impossible.

Idk. Their logic isn’t good, but it helps protect their positioning? I wanna say it looks more like silly town, but i also don’t want to underestimate TL. I can’t say I’ve played with them a lot, but they were in my last BooneyToonz game.

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i think that's kind of where i'm at with tl. it's either authentic moonlogic or logic and i don't really care which, i don't see a way to assess the motivation of it and i'm not going to bend myself into a pretzel over it when i don't really think tl is scummy anyway

I think it’s worth talking about. I don’t see the point of not caring about it? I like the discussion that’s come from it a lot.

And I’m town on Jackson, mixed on TL, and who was the other one?

STD? Idk. Not town reading them. Maybe lean scum, not quite lean scum. Their pop in hard confident reads always gut ping me as scum.

My gut is generally good with STD as the game goes on, though

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I’m feeling pretty comfortable with this group of 4 of us posting right now, though. I’m hesitant to town Duck based on pocket paranoia, but i am liking the interaction, so I’d be okay leaving Temp as Occam’s town, and keeping a close eye on the lich.

The Lich, The Duck, The Leaf, and The Virgo.

The Jackson 4.

UNVOTE: Temp

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i think that's kind of where i'm at with tl. it's either authentic moonlogic or logic and i don't really care which, i don't see a way to assess the motivation of it and i'm not going to bend myself into a pretzel over it when i don't really think tl is scummy anyway

I think it’s worth talking about. I don’t see the point of not caring about it? I like the discussion that’s come from it a lot.

And I’m town on Jackson, mixed on TL, and who was the other one?

STD? Idk. Not town reading them. Maybe lean scum, not quite lean scum. Their pop in hard confident reads always gut ping me as scum.

My gut is generally good with STD as the game goes on, though

i think we read dragons in very different ways
i've played against scum!dragons twice in a row, and found his early hard confident pop-ins aren't an alignment tell. if they're idiosyncratic and interesting, i think they're a strong town indicator. i think scum!dragons can also be idiosyncratic, but tends to throw those odd early votes to slots which look worse over slots which i *feel* he thinks are scum.

i really liked his zzzx vote. i have no feelings about klazam and that's also a like fine vote.

maybe i'm too attached to trying to snipe his alignment 6 minutes into the game,, whatver

I’ve just played a lot with STD, and I usually end up successfully town reading him when we’re both town, then I compromise on him to end the day.

Or we’re scum together and he just vote sits on me the whole game.

I hard pocketed them once, though.

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I kind of think Hu Tao’s most recent pop in was pretty rough, but I’m biased there

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TL was very scummy for a minute imo.

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wow you sure know a lot about tells

Block tell is a town tell. I don’t see many scum do it, however, i would probs do it as scum too, but I’m just riffing off of the Elite 6 Firebringer did in Pokémon.

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I think TL's reads lists merit further scrutiny.

yeah. Their tone is really townie to me, but the things they say are def like not real reasons.

i think they might think they are, though, so that's why im solid with TL, at least for Day 1 like ducky said

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Not sure what you see in 443

i like it when people bring original lines of thought into discussion even if i don't necessarily agree with them myself. i mildly dislike FL hopping on lich in the midst of yalls argument for that reason, it felt low effort-- whereas ducky's 'lich comes off as genuine and i don't care to sort them for now' kinda hits

im high effort scum, though, a little too high effort.

low effort FL is a good FL.

but I think I kinda took over when I did it, but you seem like you wanna keep me as a fade option the past couple pages tbh

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Indifferent on Shrek as of now, down for them to push, though since they also think Hu Tao is kinda scummy.

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Cool cool. What's everyones thoughts on furtive

eh

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dave just gets me

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Cool cool. What's everyones thoughts on furtive

eh

May I get a FL translator for this post?

he aint done anything outta pocket

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Bianco's just gonna cop me tonight anyways

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I'm definitely getting pocketed somewhere, but im happy to live in a scum pocket for a few days.

I'm still neutral on Bb. When I see their reads on other slots, I'll work on solving it more, but more interested in other side.

I could go Furt. I just read their last post, and it kinda looks hatchety.

People are really focused on me this game. I don't really feel it's warranted either.

I'm just here being a charming leaf.

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JV this is multiball

pedit: it was making me unable to give reads or play the game at all without intense scrutiny

I think getting pressure from one slot who's moved onto multiple other things shutting you down highlights a different issue tbh

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Yeah, and I’m bonkers easy to read late in the game.

We should go someone unlikely to be night killed as the game goes on too.

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Furtive responding like that to me talking about a jester is an awful look for them

Eh, i get why you wouldn’t like it, but I kind of liked their post

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Furtive responding like that to me talking about a jester is an awful look for them

Eh, i get why you wouldn’t like it, but I kind of liked their post

What do you like about it?

I thought it was funny. They had a point, you thought they were so scummy that you were contemplating Jester

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Furtive, what are your reads on BBm, Psyche, and Hu Tao?

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VOTE: furtiveglance

confident in a furtive lim

Ok I'm slightly concerned by the momentum here. I can assure you I'd be a great lim today (for scum)

Yeah that vote has me concerned too. It seems Lich always tries to double-down on a push as soon as someone says something that goes against it somewhat, which is really concerning to me

Honestly, it’s super weird if TL is scum playing like this

I think they’re just weird town

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Psyche’s a little too obsessed with me, and idk how to feel about it.

Bbmolla can get a pass because their push got me a lot of reads, as I expected it would. I also tend to agree with not caring about Day 1 in the present, and like to deal with analyzing it later, so they can have a day or so before I would really think about pressuring there. They definitely aren’t out of their scum range, but it does feel like what I’d expect from their town game. I don’t think they are ‘townie’, though.

Hu Tao I think I’m flip flopping on again, because something about their scum game I noticed is that they’re more passive, at least from my experience, and when they’re town, the two of us tend to butt heads, so I might be lean towning there.

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I really do think we’re a town trio, JV/TL.

I’m somewhat liking Furtive, but if I remember correctly, when they were scum, I defended them a lot. I could not be remembering correctly.

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With Psyche, my main reason for being light town on them is it makes no sense for them to be obsessed with me yet not put more pressure on me.

I think I’m just living rent free in their head, but like, not in a bad way. Like in a way where I’m cooking them all their meals, so not really rent free free, but in a way where meal cooking is my passion? Does this make sense?

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I'm not sure if I should be playing as if I'm under pressure or not

I think you need to just not worry about it right now. You aren’t getting faded today.

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I think the 3 of us, maybe 4 or 5 if Furt/Duck want to join up, should pressure a slot together.

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what the actual heck is faded in this context

Oh, i changed to faded a couple years before the L word ban.

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I really do think we’re a town trio, JV/TL.

I’m somewhat liking Furtive, but if I remember correctly, when they were scum, I defended them a lot. I could not be remembering correctly.

Which game?

Absolutely no clue.

I haven’t played too many games with you, though, but I know we have a couple.

I think it could be early pandemic era, though.

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Aka ‘the jaded flavor era’

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I would want to focus my trio camel/furtive/psyche

That’s fair.

Unfortunate. I’m torn because I like my Snivy pal, but i really don’t have much defense for this them game, and I’d rather defend Furtive of the 3 of those, I think.

Psyche could use some pressure, I guess

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I'm not sure if I should be playing as if I'm under pressure or not

You think anything talking about you is pressure. And shutting down under a small comment someone makes for you is making speaking about you unbearable to even do and not being able to talk about someone is awful. Please change that, thank you

okay I guess

not sure how I could change that without undue risk though, in case I am indeed under pressure again

pedit: it still doesn't make sense

ppedit: is that your PoE? I'm not townreading furtive and I don't see a good reason for furtive being in a townblock

pppedit: huh

You don’t need to put him in a town block. But i like to use potential enemies in groupings to see how they act sometimes, not that I think furtive is, but I’m respecting the two of your reads on them as well.

23 player game, Multiball confirmed, it’s probably 3 on each side, so that’s not a whole lot of thread control scum are able to do.

Multiball scum generally like to stay out of the spotlight because they have to avoid other scum team and town.

I just don’t think the case is strong enough on furtive here yet.

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I'm not really sure what town is supposed to do under pressure

Same thing you do when someone makes a hate comment on your social media post.

Keep doing you, boo boo

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I need Bob to get off VLA, i think that will help the game progress in a great way

I think we’ve been progressing nicely, but the beauty of Multiball is even if you scum read someone, you can still genuinely work with them to find other scum

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I got pinged hard when they were talking about not getting anything from Temp being under pressure. Feels vastly out of touch

I naturally want to defend them, but i know it’s just me wanting to defend Snivy.

I have a tendency to lean there.

I’m okay with pressuring Snivy. @Snivy - show us you’re a diamond, and not coal.

VOTE: Snivy

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Would Furt and TL be willing to join for some pressure?

@TL - like i said before, beauty of Multiball is you get to work with scum reads to find other team genuinely too. Let’s get some pressure going on Snivy.

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+ i just like to see what happens when wagon momentum goes.

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I'd still rather vote to lim when I have a high confidence scumread, rather than voting someone who I can't sort so I have to put at the town side of my lead rist

Well, you aren’t limming Furt right now. I think you two went at a standstill for now anyways

This can help you solve Furt more, and we can see what actions get taken.

More ways to find scum than just the vote

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I do really want snivy to post however, so I will hold off on the pressure

This is reversed

If you want them to post, you pressure vote.

I’m personally hoping it causes Snivy to get townie.

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okay but if I change my vote after saying someone is 200% scum it shows a lack of conviction

There’s 2 scum teams. Probably 6 total scum. You can still think Furt is scum.

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I like that Shrek read.

I could go Shrek over Snivy if people were down for that.

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I would not have voted Snivy if it wasn’t for my strong town read on JV.

And I’m really hoping to get a strong town read on Snivy if they’re town, cuz we could do some good damage together.

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I’ve really liked furtive a lot the past few pages.

Like I get the paranoia on my slot to only be able to lean town tentatively.

I’ve just gotten away with too much as scum it’s hard not to BOP me.

It’s annoying, but I get it. But I can rally a town like no other, put me in coach when it’s time, and I’ll score.

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I think you might just be in tunnel mode

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Actually, I have been scum pinged by Random the past few times they’ve posted.

I’m trying to not let my enjoyment of players effect my reads like how I want to town read Snivy and Random, but this playerlist is filled with players I like a lot.

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I think TL's reads lists merit further scrutiny.

Like, I kind of agreed with this, but a great camel once said “i agree with this, but i don’t like it when you say it”

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Jackson, you’re so dying tonight.

You’re too townie, and you weaken my placing in this game.

I think protective should be on Jackson tonight.

Don’t comment on the protective should or shouldn’t be on you, let’s let it WIFOM breathe.

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Jackson, you’re so dying tonight.

You’re too townie, and you weaken my placing in this game.

I think protective should be on Jackson tonight.

Don’t comment on the protective should or shouldn’t be on you, let’s let it WIFOM breathe.

You dying weakens my place*

So if BBm is scum, my defenders are gonna get killed off because I’m more fadeable.

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I didn’t even try to hide that as the reason why I did it.

I love that play.

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Furtive town reads me so hard

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Jackson, you’re so dying tonight.

You’re too townie, and you weaken my placing in this game.

I think protective should be on Jackson tonight.

Don’t comment on the protective should or shouldn’t be on you, let’s let it WIFOM breathe.

Also FL. Just as I asked Furtive, what makes me "too townie". I refuse to be pocketed easy

It’s just the way we’re working together feels like actual solving and in a similar position of not knowing really anything, and i don’t feel you’re faking it.

And I’ve played with you a few times before, so it’s not like I’m not aware of your playstyle.

Like i don’t feel like you’re pocketing me in addition to agreeing with most of the things being said.

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Furtive town reads me so hard

Erm akshually no

So hard

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Yeah, I’d be okay with Bianco. I had a few town pings before, but not enough to defend.

@TL - that’s in your 3, you down?

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Jackson, you’re so dying tonight.

You’re too townie, and you weaken my placing in this game.

I think protective should be on Jackson tonight.

Don’t comment on the protective should or shouldn’t be on you, let’s let it WIFOM breathe.

Also FL. Just as I asked Furtive, what makes me "too townie". I refuse to be pocketed easy

It’s just the way we’re working together feels like actual solving and in a similar position of not knowing really anything, and i don’t feel you’re faking it.

And I’ve played with you a few times before, so it’s not like I’m not aware of your playstyle.

Like i don’t feel like you’re pocketing me in addition to agreeing with most of the things being said.

And how are you sure it isn't me as blue maf (for example) trying to just find red mafia with you.

I’m not 100% by any means, but if youre maf then i still think youd be down to find scum with me on the other team, and your vicinity towards me makes you a decent night kill target, so as scum, it doesn’t really make sense, i don’t think youd pair up like this.

It’s possible you didn’t think of that, but it’s for sure plenty enough reason to stick around day 1.

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Yeah, I’d be okay with Bianco. I had a few town pings before, but not enough to defend.

@TL - that’s in your 3, you down?

still would rather not place my vote purely for pressure when I'd want bianco to post as well

JV already said, it’s never purely for pressure.

Your votes just kind of wasted on Furt right now.

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WELCOME Citizens of

LARGE NORMAL 244!!!

It's me, the one, definitely the only

LEAF

that brings the

BEEF

,

FLAVORRRRRRRR

This...is

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

Jackson
Furtive
Temporal

Ducky
Merlyn
Davesaz?

Psyche
KittyTacky

Bob
iamveryhappy
Flavia
Naerys
Shadowez

Save The Dragons
Hu Tao
Bianco
Snivy
Klazam

ZZzx
BBmolla
Random Nurse
Shrek

Town

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Lean Town/color]

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Light Town

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Neutral

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Light Scum/color]

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Lean Scum

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SCUM

No order between tiers.

I don't have a lot of confidence in my bottom two tiers, and I could make light town cases on a few of them, like Hu Tao, but I could also scum case most of these, or at least have gotten pinged or little real town reasons for em.

I don't think BBm is as townie as people are saying, and I think their play is exactly what Psyche was projecting that I was going to be doing with the coasting, but I also do think it's out their style to do it as town, and I'm also a bit biased since I know they're poorly pushing me incorrectly.

A top town read of mine scum read Snivy, and I don't have anything major to defend, so I'm open for it, and that's kind of how I realized I don't have any real thing to defend them with. I want to town read them, though, I just am not.

Bob tier is my neutral tier, either lack of posting or no true pings either way.

Daves I have liked a good amount of their posts, but I think I'm biased with how theyve been posting in regards to familiarity with me. Idk. I'm remembering liking their posts, I think I didn't like them early game, but I'm feeling okay with them, but I think it's biased. Does this make sense?

I really like my top tier, similar to how it was with the 3 of JV, me, and TL with Ducky, i feel with Furtive, but even moreso. Ducky is good, and I almost put them in the top tier, but probably need more.

Kitty is a gut thing. I like to trust my gut with Kitty, and I feel really good about it considering I caught them as scum recently, and then correctly town read in another. They havent really done anything super townie, but they get pushed a lot, and I instinctively like to defend them in a way where I think the pushes on them are NAI, and then if I see content from Kitty, I generally town read it because their scum postings shine out to me hard.

Pysche ive explained, i dont get their purpose if scum, but i wouldnt die on that hill. Am curious, though, because BBm is doing the thing they projected that I would be doing, which I talked about earlier.

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Will BBmolla ever realize their push isn't happening this early in the game?

How long will it be until TemporalLich starts making sense with their reads and play?

Is it even possible for Furtiveglance to town read me harder?!??!?!?

Find out next time on

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW!!!!!!!!

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I'll sheep onto that one. I like that better than Snivy.

VOTE: Bianco

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i think you worry too much about things you needn't, but do you boo boo

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I love how FL is all nice and I'm like "but that's a you problem".
Help

it's definitely a them problem, but ive moved past caring to convince them on that accord

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good day of mafia, y'all. we broke through nice ground imo.

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I'll sheep onto that one. I like that better than Snivy.

VOTE: Bianco

You're voting Bianco but she's only light Scum to you, and you're not voting any of us currently that are lean Scum. So, shouldn't you be voting one of us instead?

Nah. That requires a push on one of you, and I’m trying not to dominate the game with my push, so I’m voting with my town core

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i think people keep talking about my meta like they understand it but i don't think they truly do after 1-2 games

I kinda do, but i got a lot more than that with you.

And i still don’t know until days in

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Eh, you’re a means to an end in that.

I’m not opposed to seeing BBm as town, as I’ve discussed before, but your push on me warrants the tier.

And there’s plenty harder to read than me out here. I think I’m bonkers easy to read this game

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I feel I’ve used a similar reasoning to that before this game, if not multiple times, but yeah, i don’t see that post as a slip.

Looks more like a discrediting technique.

Oops

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Just ISO'd bbmolla, nothing really worth noting. his push on FL seems fair, I personally think FL seems more townish, but to be honest its a purely gut read, and I am more suspect of people hard town reading him already at that point.

why is it fair

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i feel it has no merit other than 'hard to read' and 'flavor fever'

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im good with shrek wagon. They probs scum

VOTE: Shrek

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i feel it has no merit other than 'hard to read' and 'flavor fever'

Its a mix of, people who know you well wouldn't blindly town-read you on the beginning, as its very NAI in general, and I feel he gut-read it to be scum, so I feel its fair (read: Not necessarily a scum trying to force a vote or a push) move.

i think it's just super easy and a coast tactic

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which if they are town, they are still doing that

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how exactly is Shrek scum?!

880 feels like a thoughtful post to me

you can have thoughtful posts as scum. when im scum, im more thoughtful.

it's more agenda based and where they chose to push that has me feeling they were scum, and the types of reads they were having.

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I'm fine with Naerys, but I tend to agree with what they've been pushing, and they have been very consistent with their line of thinking that there was scum on my wagon, which i'm like 98% sure there is/was too.

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i feel it has no merit other than 'hard to read' and 'flavor fever'

Its a mix of, people who know you well wouldn't blindly town-read you on the beginning, as its very NAI in general, and I feel he gut-read it to be scum, so I feel its fair (read: Not necessarily a scum trying to force a vote or a push) move.

i think it's just super easy and a coast tactic

I mean, to be fair, that is true.

I just think its NAI

sure, but being NAI too much is AI as the game goes on.

So I dont really like that defense from you, but it's noted.

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it looks like you're trying to stop any analysis on the BBm from happening. It's one thing to defend, but I think you're protecting them, and it has scum potential from you who wants a possible unaligned scum or BBm to keep pressure on me that way.

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Like here's the thing, I'm not just gonna get free town read all game, people will start to get paranoid and look into me as the game goes on, but you're enabling them to continue to coast and do nothing, which I can see pure scum benefit from you doing so.

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in fact, I don't think I've gotten free town read at all this game.

The town reads I've gotten, I've earned through interacting with players and showing my thought process on different slots throughout the day.

In addition to this, I already had ZZZx in my lower tiers of reads, and weakening my spot makes a lot of sense from a scum ZZZx pov.

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which means that scum can scum-hunt without faking it, since there is an entire faction out there

this is also a crutch as the game goes on too, because it's easy to look for one faction, but when they have to start analyzing which faction, scum can get caught up in pretty easily. And I think this is pretty easy to place as it goes on with some flips.

While this is true, I also see this as an easy reason to deny players from getting town read who are scum hunting.

In addition, I don't necessarily believe the idea that scum wont hunt as much, and I don't really get what prompted that idea.

I feel you're reaching and trying to defend BBm, but I don't get how that applies to it. I feel like you're trying to pocket them

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in fact, I don't think I've gotten free town read at all this game.

The town reads I've gotten, I've earned through interacting with players and showing my thought process on different slots throughout the day.

In addition to this, I already had ZZZx in my lower tiers of reads, and weakening my spot makes a lot of sense from a scum ZZZx pov.

Ok, If you know me, you know there is one thing I scum hunt with, and one thing I hate more than everything,

Bullshit.

And this post, smells very very badly of that.

I don't particularly care if you scum read me or not, but if you are town, then show me your thought process here, or I am starting to believe this is indeed scum Flavor.

I've been showing my thought process all game.

And just because you don't like what it says, and if you are town, it's not true, but it does make a lot of sense from a scum ZZZx pov, so this looks like you trying to discredit.

Even if you end up being town, my post there was valid.

It looks like you are feeling threatened now and setting up an OMGUS, but I'm trying to look deeper into YOUR thoughts.

But yeah, you acting like I haven't been showing my thought process here is cap.

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And instead of interacting with that post, and replying to anything of merit with it, you just quoted it and said it reeked of BS.

So explain, ZZZx, what is the bs part about it?

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in fact, I don't think I've gotten free town read at all this game.

The town reads I've gotten, I've earned through interacting with players and showing my thought process on different slots throughout the day.

In addition to this, I already had ZZZx in my lower tiers of reads, and weakening my spot makes a lot of sense from a scum ZZZx pov.

Ok, If you know me, you know there is one thing I scum hunt with, and one thing I hate more than everything,

Bullshit.

And this post, smells very very badly of that.

I don't particularly care if you scum read me or not, but if you are town, then show me your thought process here, or I am starting to believe this is indeed scum Flavor.

like this all just looks like false bravado.

I have been showing thought process.

It does look like you care if you are scum read.

And it looks like youre trying to threaten now because I'm putting pressure on you.

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which means that scum can scum-hunt without faking it, since there is an entire faction out there

this is also a crutch as the game goes on too, because it's easy to look for one faction, but when they have to start analyzing which faction, scum can get caught up in pretty easily. And I think this is pretty easy to place as it goes on with some flips.

While this is true, I also see this as an easy reason to deny players from getting town read who are scum hunting.

In addition, I don't necessarily believe the idea that scum wont hunt as much, and I don't really get what prompted that idea.

I feel you're reaching and trying to defend BBm, but I don't get how that applies to it. I feel like you're trying to pocket them

Ok to be honest at this point it sounds like I might fart and you would say I am doing it to defend BBM and pocket them when I mentioned them in one post initially calling them null

Ok, I don't even know if this is scum Flavor, sounds too dumb to be true.

And now a weak discredit attempt to try and brush it off.

Interesting.


Keep digging yourself in that hole.

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which means that scum can scum-hunt without faking it, since there is an entire faction out there

this is also a crutch as the game goes on too, because it's easy to look for one faction, but when they have to start analyzing which faction, scum can get caught up in pretty easily. And I think this is pretty easy to place as it goes on with some flips.

While this is true, I also see this as an easy reason to deny players from getting town read who are scum hunting.

In addition, I don't necessarily believe the idea that scum wont hunt as much, and I don't really get what prompted that idea.

I feel you're reaching and trying to defend BBm, but I don't get how that applies to it. I feel like you're trying to pocket them

Ok to be honest

at this point

it sounds like I might fart and you would say I am doing it to defend BBM and pocket them when I mentioned them in one post initially calling them null

Ok, I don't even know if this is scum Flavor, sounds too dumb to be true.

what do you mean 'at this point'? I only started pressuring you like on this page, and you're acting like it's been nonstop.

This is part of the game to pressure people, and you immediately start going to discredit attempts. Why am I supposed to see that as townie? Explain.

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And instead of interacting with that post, and replying to anything of merit with it, you just quoted it and said it reeked of BS.

So explain, ZZZx, what is the bs part about it?

I never mentioned weakening the read on you, or to be fair, the read on you at all (outside of saying his vote in the RVS stage was fair), and then you started going very defensive, saying how you built any positive reads by yourself, and how I am pushing that down, as scum-me would do.

Yet I didn't.

Either quote where I said that, or show how you came to that conclusion, or the other logical conclusion is that you are bullshitting a read to scum-read me because I could read you, or some other reason.

To be honest I don't even know a good reason scum you would push for that now

You quote this and then don't even answer the question.

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Explain the BS about it.

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it looks like you're trying to stop any analysis on the BBm from happening. It's one thing to defend, but I think you're protecting them, and it has scum potential from you who wants a possible unaligned scum or BBm to keep pressure on me that way.

Explain how I got to this conclusion?

It's really not that deep, ZZZx, lol.

It looks like you're trying to stop any analysis on BBm from happening. That is the thesis and the conclusion.

The posts you made leading up to that are the ones that lead me to that.

I don't know what you're expecting/trying to get from that.

If you think this is cap, idk what to tell you.

i think it's incredibly valid and genuine line of questioning, you just look upset that you could possibly get slightly questioned.

I wasn't even saying you were hard scum or anything, I don't really get like more than 60% confidence on any reads on Day 1 ever, yet you're acting like I called you lock scum for possibly questioning you could be scum.

Everyone here could be scum, it's Day 1, and I've town read scum hard on Day 1 before even, why should you get some free pass for questioning?

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in fact, I don't think I've gotten free town read at all this game.

The town reads I've gotten, I've earned through interacting with players and showing my thought process on different slots throughout the day.

In addition to this, I already had ZZZx in my lower tiers of reads, and weakening my spot makes a lot of sense from a scum ZZZx pov.

Ok, If you know me, you know there is one thing I scum hunt with, and one thing I hate more than everything,

Bullshit.

And this post, smells very very badly of that.

I don't particularly care if you scum read me or not, but if you are town, then show me your thought process here, or I am starting to believe this is indeed scum Flavor.

like this all just looks like false bravado.

I have been showing thought process.

It does look like you care if you are scum read.

And it looks like youre trying to threaten now because I'm putting pressure on you.

I have put my point, very,

VERY

clearly.

And you keep evading it, and talking about false bravado, when you know me and how I play, in an attempt to discredit me.

I am

not

afraid, good pal I am more than happy to have more pressure on me to move the game along, and to find the scum, and I am beginning to suspect I might. Because your blind insistence here just makes no sense otherwise.

VOTE: Flavor

p-edit I will reply in a seperate post

what is being evaded?

I also haven't played with you in like 5+ years, so idk why you think I'd have some expert meta read on you.

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And still, they ignored the explaining of the BS.

lol

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Explain the BS about it.

And instead of interacting with that post, and replying to anything of merit with it, you just quoted it and said it reeked of BS.

So explain, ZZZx, what is the bs part about it?

I never mentioned weakening the read on you, or to be fair, the read on you at all (outside of saying his vote in the RVS stage was fair), and then you started going very defensive, saying how you built any positive reads by yourself, and how I am pushing that down, as scum-me would do.

Yet I didn't.

Either quote where I said that, or show how you came to that conclusion, or the other logical conclusion is that you are bullshitting a read to scum-read me because I could read you, or some other reason.

To be honest I don't even know a good reason scum you would push for that now

Why would you mention weakening the read on you?

It's a by action thing.

Which is 100% valid.

You just seem like you haven't developed the skill to accept any type of pressure on you.

It's annoyingly a common thing.

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i feel it has no merit other than 'hard to read' and 'flavor fever'

Its a mix of, people who know you well wouldn't blindly town-read you on the beginning, as its very NAI in general, and I feel he gut-read it to be scum, so I feel its fair (read: Not necessarily a scum trying to force a vote or a push) move.

i feel it has no merit other than 'hard to read' and 'flavor fever'

Its a mix of, people who know you well wouldn't blindly town-read you on the beginning, as its very NAI in general, and I feel he gut-read it to be scum, so I feel its fair (read: Not necessarily a scum trying to force a vote or a push) move.

i think it's just super easy and a coast tactic

I mean, to be fair, that is true.

I just think its NAI

how exactly is Shrek scum?!

880 feels like a thoughtful post to me

you can have thoughtful posts as scum. when im scum, im more thoughtful.

it's more agenda based and where they chose to push that has me feeling they were scum, and the types of reads they were having.

Also an overall reminder, while

yes

, Scum won't hunt as much, this is multi-ball iirc, which means that scum can scum-hunt without faking it, since there is an entire faction out there

it's these.

or another thing you could call them is...

the posts leading up to them

considering they are LITERALLY THE POSTS RIGHT BEFORE

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Like I was actively questioning your posts and your read there because

sorry, i do not agree, and you were enabling a do nothing coasting slot

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Like sorry, this is on you. Everything is there, and my thoughts and reads are completely valid.

You seem to get way too worked up over 1 person questioning your line of thought.

I have made it clear all game I do not think BBm is townie. They could be town sure, but I do not agree they are town, so you overreacting to me questioning why I don't like your town read or NAI push on BBm and how it's enabling them to keep doing it, I don't see what part of that you don't understand.

So if you wanna continue, so be it.

Your logic is flawed.

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Explain the BS about it.

And instead of interacting with that post, and replying to anything of merit with it, you just quoted it and said it reeked of BS.

So explain, ZZZx, what is the bs part about it?

I never mentioned weakening the read on you, or to be fair, the read on you at all (outside of saying his vote in the RVS stage was fair), and then you started going very defensive, saying how you built any positive reads by yourself, and how I am pushing that down, as scum-me would do.

Yet I didn't.

Either quote where I said that, or show how you came to that conclusion, or the other logical conclusion is that you are bullshitting a read to scum-read me because I could read you, or some other reason.

To be honest I don't even know a good reason scum you would push for that now

Why would you mention weakening the read on you?

It's a by action thing.

Which is 100% valid.

You just seem like you haven't developed the skill to accept any type of pressure on you.

It's annoyingly a common thing.

Its because its what you mentioned in your post, Lol.

And yes, I am indeed not the best in-life in general when pressure is on me,

however,

I do not think that is the case here

And I do not see why it is 'annoying', if you are town scum-hunting, you should more

happy

that I am exposing myself more. No?

You doing it isn't annoying, it's the site wide skill level of it that's annoying. I'm used to it at this point.

I don't 100% think you're 'exposing yourself' as you say, but it does give your line of thought.

But you're just hiding it with emotional bleed anyways, which is probably genuine, but yeah.

Emotion needs to be stripped back, and then we can go into it more.

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I think you just derp tunneled really

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It also looks like you have a huge tendency to assume and project, and yet you still need things to be exactly concise and perfect, and that's just not my vibe.

I'm going to question people. I'm going to pressure people. I'll pressure people I'm town because it's important to reconsider over time and look at things from different perspectives.

Post game, i'll be validated anyways.

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Like sorry, this is on you. Everything is there, and my thoughts and reads are completely valid.

You seem to get way too worked up over 1 person questioning your line of thought.

I have made it clear all game I do not think BBm is townie. They could be town sure, but I do not agree they are town, so you overreacting to me questioning why I don't like your town read or NAI push on BBm and how it's enabling them to keep doing it, I don't see what part of that you don't understand.

So if you wanna continue, so be it.

Your logic is flawed.

No, I am annoyed that you have constructed every post I did into me defending, enabling BBM, when out of many random posts I did, It was one of the reads, with ONE line of text explaining that I find it null.

If you told me you hated me reading him null, sure, I'd be like, I disagree, but fair.

But me reading him null is

defending him?

Me replying to your question regarding why he is null, (or why I think his vote was fair, in other words, null and not scum-indicative) is defending him, and my posts have showed that, despite you refusing to quote and show me how?

Lets be real here for a moment.

To be honest I dont know if you are scum or not, I will jump back to the wagon which matters more right now
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I didn't construct every post you did, I constructed the posts we were LITERALLY talking about BBM over it too, which you were.

That's not even up for debate. You didn't agree with my scum read, and you tried to push them as NAI.

That is 100% you defending them and advocating for them against my scum read.

There were like 2 or 3 posts that I quoted we were talking about it.

Idgaf about town or scum reads. It's the energy or momentum behind it.

Fact of the matter is, you NAI/Null pushed my scum possibility of BBM. I'm not even saying BBm is always scum here. But I don't agree with the enabling of letting them coast for doing very little but derp tunnel.

So yes, you were defending them against my possible scum push. That is an absolute fact. I don't care at all if you weren't calling them town.

It is specifically the NAI/Null push of it that I see as defending them against me that I didn't like.

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I think you just derp tunneled really

To be fair, its two-sided, but I agree. Maybe I will re-read my own posts and yours tomorrow morning, I am getting tired.

As for the emotions part, I like to play with my emotions running, people speak out when emotions are involved, people show ideas, thoughts, and information they wouldn't otherwise, Reads can be faked, and so can emotions to be fair, but its easier to find someone faking those.

Purely logical play is boring, doesn't work as well for scum hunting, and just repeating, but is simply not fun

No, you are wrong here.

If you're implying I derp tunneled you? Absolutely dead ass wrong.

I questioned and pressured you, and you jumped at me.

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It is NOT two sided.

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I wasn't even pushing you for it, I was just analyzing and looking at the possibilities and questioning it, exactly what I should do if I see a possibility of you being scum.

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I think you need to reanalyze it all, ZZZx, and realize why I think you were defending them with the Null/NAI post.

You do not have to town read push someone to be possibly defending them.

You were actively discrediting my push by pushing a NAI/Null read to nullify my reasonings for why I would have them as possible scum.

That IS defending them.

And if you can't see that, it is on you at this point.

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Like sorry, this is on you. Everything is there, and my thoughts and reads are completely valid.

You seem to get way too worked up over 1 person questioning your line of thought.

I have made it clear all game I do not think BBm is townie. They could be town sure, but I do not agree they are town, so you overreacting to me questioning why I don't like your town read or NAI push on BBm and how it's enabling them to keep doing it, I don't see what part of that you don't understand.

So if you wanna continue, so be it.

Your logic is flawed.

No, I am annoyed that you have constructed every post I did into me defending, enabling BBM, when out of many random posts I did, It was one of the reads, with ONE line of text explaining that I find it null.

If you told me you hated me reading him null, sure, I'd be like, I disagree, but fair.

But me reading him null is

defending him?

Me replying to your question regarding why he is null, (or why I think his vote was fair, in other words, null and not scum-indicative) is defending him, and my posts have showed that, despite you refusing to quote and show me how?

Lets be real here for a moment.

To be honest I dont know if you are scum or not, I will jump back to the wagon which matters more right now
VOTE: shrek

I didn't construct every post you did, I constructed the posts we were LITERALLY talking about BBM over it too, which you were.

That's not even up for debate. You didn't agree with my scum read, and you tried to push them as NAI.

That is 100% you defending them and advocating for them against my scum read.

There were like 2 or 3 posts that I quoted we were talking about it.

Idgaf about town or scum reads. It's the energy or momentum behind it.

Fact of the matter is, you NAI/Null pushed my scum possibility of BBM. I'm not even saying BBm is always scum here. But I don't agree with the enabling of letting them coast for doing very little but derp tunnel.

So yes, you were defending them against my possible scum push. That is an absolute fact. I don't care at all if you weren't calling them town.

It is specifically the NAI/Null push of it that I see as defending them against me that I didn't like.

I don't even know what your reads up, my posts clearly mentioned I am ISOing a few people, I have no idea what the game state is, because somehow 35 pages came whiel I was away, and I made that clear.

And somehow me coming to a slightly different conclusion than you was defending him.

Yea. No.

Anyway, we can argue about that forever, BBmola is someone I have no read on, he can be town, scum, a jester for all I care, that's not a hill I am dying on

You

however are acting weird here with the read and reaction, and I think the whole argument makes no sense and is unfounded.

that

is a hill I am willing to die on.

It is not about someone voting me, or pushing me, its because I completely disagree and do not comprehend the logic, that's all

But I will sleep now, so good night and talk to you later

Okay, but you're invalidating my thoughts and the way I play the game, and that's not okay.

You can clearly see why I think it's defending.

You don't have to agree with it.

Your posts directly defended.

If you can't see it, then idk, that's something you should work on then. You can disagree and be wrong all you want.

But at this point, if you say you can't see why I think that, then you're delusional and just don't want to see it.

You are playing selfishly and not looking into why I would think that. Like even if you disagree with the semantics of it, you're just arguing semantics to argue with semantics, and that is 100% on you.

I have given my thought process on it, and you're just derp shoving.

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im good with shrek wagon. They probs scum

VOTE: Shrek

I'm infinitely disappointed in you. What makes Shrek scum? They're probably one of my stronger TRs as it stands

This is rude af.

Dont fucking guilt trip me.

I have talked about my Shrek read before, and you clearly saw them towards the bottom of my last reads list, and you know that Furtive is one of my stronger town reads.

Like really? This was the time for you to say something like this to me right after I went through that with ZZZx and derp Lich derp voted?

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im bout ready to policy Temporal tbh.

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im good with shrek wagon. They probs scum

VOTE: Shrek

I'm infinitely disappointed in you. What makes Shrek scum? They're probably one of my stronger TRs as it stands

This is rude af.

Dont fucking guilt trip me.

I have talked about my Shrek read before, and you clearly saw them towards the bottom of my last reads list, and you know that Furtive is one of my stronger town reads.

Like really? This was the time for you to say something like this to me right after I went through that with ZZZx and derp Lich derp voted?

Not interested in responding to you right now if this is how you respond to me, it isn't really my fault that you can't read that it's hyperbole as a form of banter. I see you're heated though, I haven't read hardly any of what you two have said to each other because I'm eatin' and can't be bothered. If you want my thoughts on the whole situation specifically let me know and I can prioritise that over other things

dont minimize my reads and act like they're infinitely worse than yours. I have an insanely high accuracy rate at catching scum myself.

And then you turn it like it's me? That's like no offense, but here's an offensive statement. It's an active guilt trip, even if it's hyperbole.