TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick [Game Over]

[patchwork]

guillo why do u scumread me again

[TemporalLich]

VC 1.6

Cook (2) - DragonEater70, ZZZX
BlueSnakelet (2) - Cook, Nono
ZZZX (2) - Guillotina, MegAzumarill
iamveryhappy (1) - Itinerants
DragonEater70 (1) - DkKoba
Not_Mafia (1) - Not_Mafia
Itinerants (1) - iamveryhappy
patchwork (1) - Flavor Leaf
MegAzumarill (1) - camelCasedSnivy

Not voting: Invisibility, BlueSnakelet, Arko, patchwork, Radical Polaroid

With 17 alive it takes 9 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-22 08:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

Nono is V/LA until tomorrow.

Random compliment: Not_Mafia is a very fun individual!

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Cook

[MegAzumarill]

i wouldn’t be down to any flashwagons in the slightest

Why not?

are you serious rn

Kinda
Early wagons tend to get the game moving forward and are pretty rarely lethal anyway

[camelCasedSnivy]

maybe in rvs then i dunno

[Itinerants]

VOTE: Guillotina

I have my own doubts about DragonEater, the vibes are... definitely not there.

However, Guillotina's shitpushing here is very, very bad. It's not a Town tunnel, and I think that's extremely apparent.

[camelCasedSnivy]

who?

also how is it not a town tunnel? where is the distinction

[Itinerants]

The amount of reaching being done is off the charts here. It doesn't read like the confbias you expect from a Town tunnel, it reads like they're just making shit up to fit a predetermined read.

Actually, now that I say that, maybe Condemner? In which case I actually don't mind helping here as long as it isn't game-ending... I'll dig around in the GIM thread later and decide what I think is most likely.

-Rat

[DkKoba]

So you think I am lying about this being typical for town guillo and within his townrange too?

You're going to get nowhere with that argument as many here know how he is lmao

[Itinerants]

I do not think you are lying, I think you are a pattern-seeking monkey.

[DkKoba]

Its called "plausibility" buddy

[DkKoba]

Your argument is bad if there is a decent chance you can be wrong due to prior evidence. The point makes no sense with that context, as all you are claiming by pointing out these action to people who know Guillo is that he is being Guillo indicative.
If you are so sure that he is mafia, you can find better than that.

[DkKoba]

It's like saying I am mafia for lying or being manipulative to get my way - it completely ignores the fact this is something present within both alignments of play.

I think Guillo is town because he does not come off as having TMI, which is my primary way of reading his slot in games.

[Itinerants]

If this is such a well known trait, and it's already pro-scum behavior, then it can be very easily faked. In which case, the difference lies in identifying motivations.

I do not believe Guillotina's motivations are Town here, and I do not believe the reasoning for the push is sincere. Therefore, I think they are scum, and similar behavior as Town isn't going to change my mind because it isn't the behavior itself, it's the reasoning behind it.

[patchwork]

i wouldn’t be down to any flashwagons in the slightest

Why not?

are you serious rn

Kinda
Early wagons tend to get the game moving forward and are pretty rarely lethal anyway

oh wait my bad i mistook flashwagon for a quickhammer not sure how that went through my head
i agree early-game wagons are okay but as long as it's not like, everyone collectively agreeing to pile on top of one person which is mostly how they work

[patchwork]

I do not think you are lying, I think you are a pattern-seeking monkey.

this squeezed a wheeze out of me

[DkKoba]

If this is such a well known trait, and it's already pro-scum behavior, then it can be very easily faked. In which case, the difference lies in identifying motivations.

I do not believe Guillotina's motivations are Town here, and I do not believe the reasoning for the push is sincere. Therefore, I think they are scum, and similar behavior as Town isn't going to change my mind because it isn't the behavior itself, it's the reasoning behind it.

why is DE town rofl

[DkKoba]

Lol, just ISO’d Guillo

I have a hard time believing anything in their ISO is genuine, but I also low key think it is

Are you gonna shoot Dragon or bore me to sleep?

Yeah, more likely to shoot you.

On the shoot list:

Patchwork
Guillo
Dkkoba

Do it then what are you waiting for? My permission? My blessing?

now here is a quick example of something that is towny from guillo, taunting a would be dayvig to potentially shoot him.

later on he is being critical of patchwork in a way that is consistent with wanting to read someone else's motivations by first yknow asking them why they did something instead of being extremely vague.

Could this be in guillo's scumrange? Perhaps. But It is absurd to me that you are finding "scum motivation" without forcing that read and just made that up to save face after you got told you were straight up wrong about someone's baseline play lol.


quote me some "scum motivation" posts and then that actually helps.

[DkKoba]

yeah, idk if koba even believes their posts

Dkkoba is town.

SCUM

1 in Dragon/FL
Patch
ZZZX

Is where im at.

Koba disassociated from Dragon

ZZZX/Dragon may be a team (see my vote for ZZZX)

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SPICY WORLD

FL maybe whiteknighting Dragon and DKkoba may be whiteknighting me.
Meaning those two monster players are instigatimg and perpetuating the fight between town Dragon/Guillo

I would believe in this world if Dragon was not so obvious scum.

this also shows a progression that implies solving - guillo called me town, then went on to say I could be mafia immediately, which points to in between paranoia of thinking through the scenario rather than just making it up.

[Itinerants]

If this is such a well known trait, and it's already pro-scum behavior, then it can be very easily faked. In which case, the difference lies in identifying motivations.

I do not believe Guillotina's motivations are Town here, and I do not believe the reasoning for the push is sincere. Therefore, I think they are scum, and similar behavior as Town isn't going to change my mind because it isn't the behavior itself, it's the reasoning behind it.

why is DE town rofl

Haven't made up my mind on him yet. Actually leaning scum at the moment, which is why I'm entertaining the idea of helping a hypothetical Condemner!Guillo.

What mostly gives me hesitance is what I believe to be the same thing giving Guillotina urgency. I won't be elaborating further though.

I will commit to ISOing Guillo tomorrow to get your specific posts, however.

[DkKoba]

shrug regardless I think that we *really* need these low content slots to get into the game asap and I'm giving them a 48 hour timer before I start policy wagoning.
we are missing like 1/4th of the game and for all we know we are arguing amongst ourselves about all townies and to be sure we need those little guys. 24-48 hour pact to give them time to get in, and then start focusing the content promisers who never delivered?

[ZZZX]

I shoot on my terms.

Chicken.

Why chickens get day vigs. Boring

It's not chicken, it's rational thinking.

Would you call someone "chicken" for not running into a highway when you tell them to?

Okay I guess some people would call that person chicken, but these people are idiots who are willing to risk their and other people's lives so you really shouldn't copy them

Anyhow I kinda get the sense that Guillotina

could

just be town with terrible reads and off-meta playstyle, but I still think they are much scummier than most players who have posted so far so I don't see any reason to change my vote.

You know what, I am sold.

I will park my vote here for now

VOTE: Guillotina

I will iso Guillotina and have a more concrete readinf later. I will go now and do stuff

VOTE: ZZZX

This is the third scum.

It is not because they voted me. It's because they are

sold

without ISOing me first. It's fabricated.

Who taught these guys how to scum? They need more training.

Im opening up classes post game. $300 for four classes and you will graduate as professional scum players. You dont want to miss out.

I don't particularly care if you scum-read me, but I will not iso- someone every single time I decide to move my vote around at this point. Sue me

[Flavor Leaf]

Looking like I might treat y’all with a policy Vig come the 16th

[ZZZX]

SCUM

1 in Dragon/FL
Patch
ZZZX

Is where im at.

Koba disassociated from Dragon

ZZZX/Dragon may be a team (see my vote for ZZZX)

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SPICY WORLD

FL maybe whiteknighting Dragon and DKkoba may be whiteknighting me.
Meaning those two monster players are instigatimg and perpetuating the fight between town Dragon/Guillo

I would believe in this world if Dragon was not so obvious scum.

I do like the OMGUS here,

especially

when the mindset of "I found the third scum w/those guys" goes into lets attack that guy. I like it.

I am happy with my vote where it is. Let me see.

[ZZZX]

VOTE: Guillotina

I have my own doubts about DragonEater, the vibes are... definitely not there.

However, Guillotina's shitpushing here is very, very bad. It's not a Town tunnel, and I think that's extremely apparent.

I agree about not liking Guillotina's tunneling, but I'd still poke anyone not providing content for now first and come back to Guillotina later. Regardless of anything, we need people to get information out, otherwise we cannot reasonably solve the game.